Drugs dont hurt

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by ontario claret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:58 pm

I personally prefer shooting heroin into the blood vessels near my eyeballs. It worked wonders for Jimi Hendrix. Talk about a "Purple Haze"!
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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:38 pm

Hipper wrote:This documentary was shown a few weeks ago:

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Clearly drugs do a lot of harm. They also do harm socially. Whether it's on the scale of alcohol I doubt. Alcohol is surely the most damaging drug socially, destroying marraiges etc..

Smoking, whilst damaging to health, has very limited social effects.
I think it's important to separate the harm drugs do, from the harm caused by the prohibition of drugs.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:03 pm

ontario claret wrote:I personally prefer shooting heroin into the blood vessels near my eyeballs. It worked wonders for Jimi Hendrix. Talk about a "Purple Haze"!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reading your posts, I am not unconvinced this is not actually a joke! :D

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by Hipper » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:16 am

AndrewJB wrote:I think it's important to separate the harm drugs do, from the harm caused by the prohibition of drugs.
You are right of course but my point didn't consider the prohibition of drugs, just there use, which is what this thread is about.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:19 pm

Hipper wrote:You are right of course but my point didn't consider the prohibition of drugs, just there use, which is what this thread is about.
The current state of prohibition is inextricably linked to how drugs are used and the harm they do. To die of a heroin overdose, for example, takes hours (you fall asleep and don't wake up), however many people found dead due to heroin still have the needle in their arms. They've died as a result of what was put into the heroin, and these additives are there because it's an unregulated black market.

Illegal drugs are actively marketed to the most vulnerable.

Illegal drugs are expensive because they're illegal. We can all agree that having an addiction is not a good thing, however it is still possible to manage an addiction, and live an otherwise full and meaningful life. When an addiction costs more than you can afford through having a regular job, then it's no longer possible to manage.
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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:44 pm

AndrewJB wrote:The current state of prohibition is inextricably linked to how drugs are used and the harm they do. To die of a heroin overdose, for example, takes hours (you fall asleep and don't wake up), however many people found dead due to heroin still have the needle in their arms. They've died as a result of what was put into the heroin, and these additives are there because it's an unregulated black market.

Illegal drugs are actively marketed to the most vulnerable.

Illegal drugs are expensive because they're illegal. We can all agree that having an addiction is not a good thing, however it is still possible to manage an addiction, and live an otherwise full and meaningful life. When an addiction costs more than you can afford through having a regular job, then it's no longer possible to manage.
Or... dont start taking heroin?

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:45 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Or... dont start taking heroin?
I don't think anyone takes up heroin as a lifestyle choice. If the drug were available on prescription to registered addicts, then there would be no market for it here. Several tonnes of heroin is imported into the UK every year, and simply by decriminalising it and giving it to addicts via the NHS we'd kill that trade off. And with no black market, the number of people trying it for the first time and becoming addicts would drop off markedly.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:25 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I don't think anyone takes up heroin as a lifestyle choice. If the drug were available on prescription to registered addicts, then there would be no market for it here. Several tonnes of heroin is imported into the UK every year, and simply by decriminalising it and giving it to addicts via the NHS we'd kill that trade off. And with no black market, the number of people trying it for the first time and becoming addicts would drop off markedly.
Sounds simple...

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by ontario claret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:31 pm

C'mon, cc. You and I usually get along quite well. Yes, it is a joke. But it was also reality for Jimi.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by ontario claret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:33 pm

And how much can you tie in Jimi's musical brilliance to his drug use? Unfortunately, not uncommon among many artists.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:18 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I don't think anyone takes up heroin as a lifestyle choice. If the drug were available on prescription to registered addicts, then there would be no market for it here. Several tonnes of heroin is imported into the UK every year, and simply by decriminalising it and giving it to addicts via the NHS we'd kill that trade off. And with no black market, the number of people trying it for the first time and becoming addicts would drop off markedly.
I see sense in that idea & if it wasn’t available via the black market it’d be unlikely as a first time drug user experimenting with a drug so potent, we already do similar with methodone as a safer substitute but without decriminalising, I suspect the reluctance stems from the message that actually weaning the patient off & gradually becoming free from dependency via a rehabilitation sense is a preferred course, it’s a long way off we haven’t even legalised cannabis yet & you’re suggesting heroin.

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun May 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Another young kid sadly a victim of drugs again!!!!

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Re: Drugs dont hurt

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 13, 2019 12:20 am

And you’ll see from that tragic story that the police aren’t actually sure what she’s taken due to it being acquired from an unregulated black market.

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