I've just had a quick look at the ante post betting for the National and seen the favourite Tiger Roll is 7/2 to win in the betting.
Smashing horse that won it last year and probably will this year, but it's the shortest odds I've ever seen in the race with 40 runners.

Usually 8/1 for the favourite

GN really is a tough one ; humongous field, huge track massive jumps = so many variables.....

Incidentally I had Tiger Roll on last year, agreed he really is a special horse.
His most recent victory @ Cheltenham was brilliant to watch.

Quickenthetempo wrote:I've just had a quick look at the ante post betting for the National and seen the favourite Tiger Roll is 7/2 to win in the betting.
Smashing horse that won it last year and probably will this year, but it's the shortest odds I've ever seen in the race with 40 runners.

Usually 8/1 for the favourite

Goes to show how many people are throwing money at it... the Bookies must be dreading it winning again

CoolClaret wrote:GN really is a tough one ; humongous field, huge track massive jumps = so many variables.....

Incidentally I had Tiger Roll on last year, agreed he really is a special horse.
His most recent victory @ Cheltenham was brilliant to watch.

Reducing the fences slightly has give the owners far more confidence their prized horses can get round safely and come home, this has led to far more classier horses being entered, which is great.

Quickenthetempo wrote:Reducing the fences slightly has give the owners far more confidence their prized horses can get round safely and come home, this has led to far more classier horses being entered, which is great.

Yeah good point mate, it's an incredible spectacle no doubt.

Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..

ive backed it already. will walk it

conyoviejo wrote:Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..

I agree on the odds being ridiculous but what makes you think it won't win the race?

pushpinpussy wrote:ive backed it already. will walk it

I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..

Quickenthetempo wrote:I agree on the odds being ridiculous but what makes you think it won't win the race?

Simply it will fall.

The favourite has won 5 times since 1994.

conyoviejo wrote:I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..

what you backing then

20/1 on the 25thJan

conyoviejo wrote:Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..

I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.

pushpinpussy wrote:what you backing then

Not sure PP. will wait to see what the going is like before wasting my money ..

pushpinpussy wrote:ive backed it already. will walk it

Don't think it will do much if it is walking.

If it stays up itl **** it

Claretuk wrote:I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.

Hard race???

It coasted round and won by 30 lengths.

I tried a five home win accumulator all against and I lost 3 of the bets.

A mate of ours, who reckons he does quite well backing the gee-gees, wouldn't touch the Grand National with Pstotto's.

I couldn't win a one ticket raffle, so I don't even bother.

I backed Vintage Clouds EW at 50/1 back in October last year. Hoping for a repeat of when I backed Rubstic at 66/1 and 50/1 months before the race many years ago.

Need a couple of horses to come out to get a run otherwise it's stakes refunded.

If VC doesn't run will leave the race alone since Gordon Elliott is planning to run his entire stable in the race to land the pot.

Claretuk wrote:I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.

He had a canter round in a half paced race, where they're always on the turn........ the same race he ran in last year before winning the national. Only difference - last year's race at Cheltenham was classier.

It's true it's a ridiculously short price, however imo it's still the one to beat this year.

Tiger Roll if anything is a better horse this season than when it won last years race. Also it's nearly 3/4 of a stone "well in" in the weights, which were handed out before Tiger Roll coasted to an easy victory in Ireland in February. The confirmation of Bristol De Mai declared as a runner means Tiger Roll will retain its weight. If Bristol De Mai had come out Tiger Roll would have gone up in the weights around another 5 lbs at least

It's the 1st time in some years that a returning defending champion hasn't been allocated top weight to my knowledge

The run and subsequent victory was even easier and probably lighter on the horse than when winning the cross country at Cheltenham this year. It was the only reason I didn't back it last year as I thought the tough race in the cross country might have taken too much out of him. I was wrong.

As for falling,Tiger Roll from my memory hasn't fallen so far. The make up of the Aintree fences since 2012 has meant a very high percentage of those not competing the course are actually pulled up as opposed to actually falling, so if anything the task is now easier,which in turn means better quality horses are now in the final 40 declared

A couple I have backed e/w a number of weeks back and imo are worth noting are Rathvinden (backed at 28/1) and Minella Rocco (backed at 33/1) , the latter being well weighted for the race

Your latter is also my selection for the race - I have quite liked his last 2 runs in their own way.

conyoviejo wrote:I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..

It definitely is if its going to walk!

dandeclaret wrote:Your latter is also my selection for the race - I have quite liked his last 2 runs in their own way.

Don't see Wilde Blue Yonder in the ante-post lists Dan ?

Two cracking runs recently.

While i wont profess to be an expert on horses. One thing i dont do is listen to grand national 'tips' or form or odds.

Its the one race where going with a name or a hunch is probably a better strategy than anything else.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:While i wont profess to be an expert on horses. One thing i dont do is listen to grand national 'tips' or form or odds.

Its the one race where going with a name or a hunch is probably a better strategy than anything else.

It's not actually a lottery that people seem to think it is. Theres a list of trends available on the internet for the big race. Out of the 10 or so stat trends you will find since the turn of this century that all previous winners will meet at least 8 of the trends stated

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:It's not actually a lottery that people seem to think it is. Theres a list of trends available on the internet for the big race. Out of the 10 or so stat trends you will find since the turn of this century that all previous winners will meet at least 8 of the trends stated

So still a lottery.

How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?

https://myracing.com/grand-national-trends-2019/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So still a lottery.

How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?

Not really when you can in all likelihood discount around at least 50-60% of the field before the race even starts

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So still a lottery.

How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?

It's a bit like betting on the premind league winner. 20 enter but you can discount 14 straight away.

But every now and then a Leicester might win it.

I think Red Rum was 7-2 in 1975. Didn't win, though.

Royboyclaret wrote:Don't see Wilde Blue Yonder in the ante-post lists Dan ?

Two cracking runs recently.

He's been in great form Royboy..... heart rate was high on Friday when he loomed up. Just doesn't get 3 miles, but important for us to find out as all the veterans races are over that trip. 133 he was running off on Friday as a 10 year old, he's still full of enthusiasm, and still has a touch of class.

dandeclaret wrote:He's been in great form Royboy..... heart rate was high on Friday when he loomed up. Just doesn't get 3 miles, but important for us to find out as all the veterans races are over that trip. 133 he was running off on Friday as a 10 year old, he's still full of enthusiasm, and still has a touch of class.

It was the previous run that particularly impressed me, was it Haydock ?

Looked to have have timed his run perfectly to win the race.

Just a little info on Tiger Roll

"Tiger Roll's second race for his new owner and trainer was the Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2014. Ridden by Davy Russell, he won by 3¼ lengths. This was the first of four victories at the Cheltenham Festival, the other three being the National Hunt Chase Challenge Cup in March 2017 with jockey Lisa O’Neill, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase in March 2018 and March 2019 with jockey Keith Donoghue. By the time of his second win in the Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase he had won a total of eleven races and not fallen once in 34 starts."

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Just a little info on Tiger Roll

"Tiger Roll's second race for his new owner and trainer was the Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2014. Ridden by Davy Russell, he won by 3¼ lengths. This was the first of four victories at the Cheltenham Festival, the other three being the National Hunt Chase Challenge Cup in March 2017 with jockey Lisa O’Neill, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase in March 2018 and March 2019 with jockey Keith Donoghue. By the time of his second win in the Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase he had won a total of eleven races and not fallen once in 34 starts."

Wellernut,To me Stats don't mean nothing in the National ,loose horses taking horses out,horses falling in front of other horses bringing them down..jockey mistakes etc all come into play with the size of the national field.. Tiger Roll may well win but I feel it's such a lottery that the 7/2 odds they are offering are disgusting for a race like this with all that can go wrong.. If Tiger Roll gets round then I will admit he has a great chance of winning..I just have this feeling that he will fall ..Hope I'm wrong though as it will be a great achievment to win it again.. Good luck with your bets ..

I heard a quote from somebody within racing that the modifications to the course and the fences have turned the Grand National into the lottery that everybody always assumed it to be.

Many horses complete the course now, even horses with a history of falling, and the fact that a horse has never fallen is not as relevant as it once was.

Not into horses racing but might have a flutter but only on the day so that most of the drop outs will have dropped out.

Here's a list of past winners. Price and winning times etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... al_winners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Update

Indications are that Bristol De Mai will miss the 5 day declaration stage for the Grand National and opt to run in the Betway Bowl on Thursday instead. This means that Annibale Fly will now be allocated top weight of 11st 10lbs and Tiger Roll is also upped 4lbs and now shoulders 11st 5lbs

Are there any grey horses running? I remember my excitement when Nicholas Silver won.

1/ Chase runs at least 10

2/ Age 8 to 11

3/ Season Runs 3 or more

4/ Days since last run 20-60

5/ 3m chase wins at least 1

6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb

7/ Season Fall no more than 1

8/ Career Fall no more than 2

9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k

These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:1/ Chase runs at least 10

2/ Age 8 to 11

3/ Season Runs 3 or more

4/ Days since last run 20-60

5/ 3m chase wins at least 1

6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb

7/ Season Fall no more than 1

8/ Career Fall no more than 2

9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k

These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down

Nah, just stick a pin in..

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:1/ Chase runs at least 10

2/ Age 8 to 11

3/ Season Runs 3 or more

4/ Days since last run 20-60

5/ 3m chase wins at least 1

6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb

7/ Season Fall no more than 1

8/ Career Fall no more than 2

9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k

These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down

Come back to us when you have done it and just give us the horses name(s)

Has to carry even more weight now too

Goobs wrote:Come back to us when you have done it and just give us the horses name(s)

Already have done, see further up

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Already have done, see further up

Im on Minella Rocco too, might throw a bit more at it on the day if bet365 do the 50% cashback offer like last few years

A cracking run down, rating and pros and cons for each runner in the National

https://www.racingtv.com/news/runner-by ... d-national" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;