This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
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This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Not quite sure how serious to take this as most of these petitions are so ridiculously open to abuse / multiple submissions and so forth that no one but students and the great unwashed pay them any heed.
5m Though is s hell of a lot for even turtle to get through .I see however that the usual Luvvie suspects are coming to the fore Hugh “ whore monger” Grant is calling it a “national emergency” ( Unless he meant the lack of brasses in his manor? ) and Dame Emma “I’m European “ /refugees welcome here “ ( erm well not actually in my house silly ) Thompson talking about the destruction of society ... any views on this petition forum ?
5m Though is s hell of a lot for even turtle to get through .I see however that the usual Luvvie suspects are coming to the fore Hugh “ whore monger” Grant is calling it a “national emergency” ( Unless he meant the lack of brasses in his manor? ) and Dame Emma “I’m European “ /refugees welcome here “ ( erm well not actually in my house silly ) Thompson talking about the destruction of society ... any views on this petition forum ?
Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
The Luvvi huskies of the Obama Barge again.
How many are British?
Again, another attempt at Fascist mob rule.
55 million haven't signed.
How many are British?
Again, another attempt at Fascist mob rule.
55 million haven't signed.
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Let me know once it's past 17 million.
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You're falling for the Express's disinformation campaign against the petition.AlargeClaret wrote:Not quite sure how serious to take this as most of these petitions are so ridiculously open to abuse / multiple submissions and so forth that no one but students and the great unwashed pay them any heed.
5m Though is s hell of a lot for even turtle to get through .I see however that the usual Luvvie suspects are coming to the fore Hugh “ whore monger” Grant is calling it a “national emergency” ( Unless he meant the lack of brasses in his manor? ) and Dame Emma “I’m European “ /refugees welcome here “ ( erm well not actually in my house silly ) Thompson talking about the destruction of society ... any views on this petition forum ?
The vast majority of the signatures will be legitimate. We have given up so much of our online privacy rights that it is a fairly trivial task to identify illegitimate signatures and remove them automatically.
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Have Mickey Mouse, Mao Tse Tung and Marilyn Monroe signed it yet........because they surely will soon.
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Are you a student or one of the great unwashed then ??AlargeClaret wrote:Not quite sure how serious to take this as most of these petitions are so ridiculously open to abuse / multiple submissions and so forth that no one but students and the great unwashed pay them any heed.
5m Though is s hell of a lot for even turtle to get through .I see however that the usual Luvvie suspects are coming to the fore Hugh “ whore monger” Grant is calling it a “national emergency” ( Unless he meant the lack of brasses in his manor? ) and Dame Emma “I’m European “ /refugees welcome here “ ( erm well not actually in my house silly ) Thompson talking about the destruction of society ... any views on this petition forum ?
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It does strike me as strange, since only 5 million have signed to revoke it, yet just over 16 million voted to remain. Should this not be news until around 17 million people have signed it?Dark Cloud wrote:Have Mickey Mouse, Mao Tse Tung and Marilyn Monroe signed it yet........because they surely will soon.
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Know my father in law signed twice
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According to sources in the Press, Idi Amin has signed over 700 times, and Jacob Rees Mogg over 8,000 times ....
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
It will be 150 million soon. It's already 2million in Tower Hamlets.
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Diane maths I assume!?summitclaret wrote:It will be 150 million soon. It's already 2million in Tower Hamlets.
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I love petitions are they having a tombola too ...
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Is it important? Probably not
But the way Brexiteers are absolutely shitting themselves about it tells you a lot about how things are going.
But the way Brexiteers are absolutely shitting themselves about it tells you a lot about how things are going.
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Imploding Turtle wrote:You're falling for the Express's disinformation campaign against the petition.
The vast majority of the signatures will be legitimate. We have given up so much of our online privacy rights that it is a fairly trivial task to identify illegitimate signatures and remove them automatically.
With respect IT I wouldn’t go anywhere near a daily express header BBC /Sky / grun/telegraph usually give a reasonable cross over personally .
I do remember few years back ( I genuinely don’t temper the petition subject ) but they found endless fake bot entries and it was used worldwide as well
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
You're right. There were bot entries and they were identified and removed.AlargeClaret wrote:With respect IT I wouldn’t go anywhere near a daily express header BBC /Sky / grun/telegraph usually give a reasonable cross over personally .
I do remember few years back ( I genuinely don’t temper the petition subject ) but they found endless fake bot entries and it was used worldwide as well
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I didn’t know that. Can you post a link please showing they were removed?Imploding Turtle wrote:You're right. There were bot entries and they were identified and removed.
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I'd take more notice to this "petition" if it didn't take 5 seconds to sign from the comfort of your own bed.
Maybe that's the future for voting... not having to get your fat arse out of the house to do it. Might end up with more than a 50% turnout...
Maybe that's the future for voting... not having to get your fat arse out of the house to do it. Might end up with more than a 50% turnout...
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Nope. Can't find it.TonbridgeClaret wrote:I didn’t know that. Can you post a link please showing they were removed?
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{"name":"North Korea","code":"KP","signature_count":29}
Nice of 29 North Korean lads to take time out of their day of nuclear weapons making to sign the petition
Nice of 29 North Korean lads to take time out of their day of nuclear weapons making to sign the petition
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I can't believe we still have people thick enough to sign petitions still in this day and age.
All that personal information to sell on.
They only have themselves to blame when their email accounts get spammed to death.
All that personal information to sell on.
They only have themselves to blame when their email accounts get spammed to death.
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I'm led to believe this vote is open to people all over Europe aswell so not a great number in the grand scheme of things.
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The Waitrose army.
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Good olives. Waitrose.
I hope they're still there post Brexit.
I hope they're still there post Brexit.
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What has led you to believe that?fanzone wrote:I'm led to believe this vote is open to people all over Europe aswell so not a great number in the grand scheme of things.
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I've just signed it. You have to verify the email address before your signature is added. Based on what people have been saying about how easy it is to fake signatures i had assumed you didn't have to do that.
That means to fake a signature you have to set up a different email account every single time.
That means to fake a signature you have to set up a different email account every single time.
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My dog signed it on Saturday, he is though a german shepherd.
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It has taken some people more than 5 hours to register never mind 5 seconds because the site wasn't designed to cope with the demand and so is constantly crashing, and even after you have registered it sometimes takes hours for the confirmation email to come through which you also have to click on to confirm. (It's not quite the simple thing that some of you describe).tarkys_ears wrote:I'd take more notice to this "petition" if it didn't take 5 seconds to sign from the comfort of your own bed.
Maybe that's the future for voting... not having to get your fat arse out of the house to do it. Might end up with more than a 50% turnout...
It took my wife almost 24 hours from beginning to conclusion, because of the site constantly being down and then waiting till the following morning to receive the confirmation email. (She's not a a technophobe by the way).
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Seems the petition can be signed with email addresses anywhere in the world.Imploding Turtle wrote:What has led you to believe that?
There's a .json format file (not heard of json before - but is "human readable, just...).
Ireland: 8,242; Italy: 5.003; Japan 1,236; Kazahkstan: 20; Kenya: 224; Kuwait: 64; Russia: 141; Thailand: 888; Vietnam: 258
Just picking out a few countries - they are listed alphabetically by "constituency" with MPs name. All the countries are blank MPs name, of course.
IT, I'm sure you can use you IT skills and produce a report for us all.
PS: I didn't sign. (I live in UK).
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Paul Waine wrote:Seems the petition can be signed with email addresses anywhere in the world.
There's a .json format file (not heard of json before - but is "human readable, just...).
Ireland: 8,242; Italy: 5.003; Japan 1,236; Kazahkstan: 20; Kenya: 224; Kuwait: 64; Russia: 141; Vietnam: 258
Just picking out a few countries - they are listed alphabetically by "constituency" with MPs name. All the countries are blank MPs name, of course.
IT, I'm sure you can use you IT skills and produce a report for us all.
PS: I didn't sign. (I live in UK).
Believe it or not, Paul, but there are British citizens in other countries.
And i'm still waiting for you to apologise for your false accusation.
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
json is just a simple javascript file.Paul Waine wrote:Seems the petition can be signed with email addresses anywhere in the world.
There's a .json format file (not heard of json before - but is "human readable, just...).
Ireland: 8,242; Italy: 5.003; Japan 1,236; Kazahkstan: 20; Kenya: 224; Kuwait: 64; Russia: 141; Vietnam: 258
Just picking out a few countries - they are listed alphabetically by "constituency" with MPs name. All the countries are blank MPs name, of course.
IT, I'm sure you can use you IT skills and produce a report for us all.
PS: I didn't sign. (I live in UK).
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You know what, IT. I know that. I guess all the others who've signed while abroad have used their "abroad" email addresses?Imploding Turtle wrote:Believe it or not, Paul, but there are British citizens in other countries.
I don't think we should take a petition seriously whatever the verification. Even if the only people who could sign had to match to their electoral register, it's still only a petition. It's not a formal plebiscite.
Edit: I also wouldn't take it seriously if there was the equal opportunity to say "no, this petition is not supported."
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Say what you will of the march and petition, but lower & upper estimates of between 1m and 2m people respectively, peacefully marching through London for a unified, singular, clearly defined, and, most importantly, technically and legally deliverable policy isn't nothing, and the demos are stark in contrast to the thinly veiled nationalism and threats of violence that constitute an argument in some quarters of the leave camp. Throwing around banal insults, holding people to arbitrary standards, and general attempts to delegitimise the revoke A50 cause isn't helping the leave cause, I'm sorry to say. There's one side of this debate whose political aim is deliverable, and when voiced in such numbers cannot be swatted away easily. The march and petition don't exist to directly change the process, their use is to demonstrate will. Now, if leave had better arguments, unity, and a clear strategy, we wouldn't be in this position; leave would have this in the bag and preparing for a party this Friday. So, lets have it; observations on folk exercising their legal right to protest...anyone got better that 'Waitrose army?'
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Paul, on the Brexit thread I pasted the spreadsheet analysis that showed over 96% of the votes were UK based when it was at just over 1M. I don’t expect that to change much.Paul Waine wrote:Seems the petition can be signed with email addresses anywhere in the world.
There's a .json format file (not heard of json before - but is "human readable, just...).
Ireland: 8,242; Italy: 5.003; Japan 1,236; Kazahkstan: 20; Kenya: 224; Kuwait: 64; Russia: 141; Thailand: 888; Vietnam: 258
Just picking out a few countries - they are listed alphabetically by "constituency" with MPs name. All the countries are blank MPs name, of course.
IT, I'm sure you can use you IT skills and produce a report for us all.
PS: I didn't sign. (I live in UK).
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I am genuinely open mouthed that people would go to so much trouble to try to change the result of a democratic vote which didn't go their way. Anyway, back in the real world of things which actually matter, I've just started watching After Life with Ricky Gervaise. It's is well funny!
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What the **** are you talking about with "abroad email addresses"? If you don't understand something such as how IP addresses can identify locations then don't pretend that you do. "abroad" email addresses aren't relevant. It's perfectly possible to have a .co.ke domain (that's Kenya) and be in the UK using it, or anywhere else in the world). Location isn't being determined by what nations domain registrar handles the email address's domain. If it did then where do you think everyone with a .com Gmail address would be recorded as living?Paul Waine wrote:You know what, IT. I know that. I guess all the others who've signed while abroad have used their "abroad" email addresses?
I don't think we should take a petition seriously whatever the verification. Even if the only people who could sign had to match to their electoral register, it's still only a petition. It's not a formal plebiscite.
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Er, "Brexit means Brexit"?Say what you will of the march and petition, but lower & upper estimates of between 1m and 2m people respectively, peacefully marching through London for a unified, singular, clearly defined, and, most importantly, technically and legally deliverable policy isn't nothing, and the demos are stark in contrast to the thinly veiled nationalism and threats of violence that constitute an argument in some quarters of the leave camp. Throwing around banal insults, holding people to arbitrary standards, and general attempts to delegitimise the revoke A50 cause isn't helping the leave cause, I'm sorry to say. There's one side of this debate whose political aim is deliverable, and when voiced in such numbers cannot be swatted away easily. The march and petition don't exist to directly change the process, their use is to demonstrate will. Now, if leave had better arguments, unity, and a clear strategy, we wouldn't be in this position; leave would have this in the bag and preparing for a party this Friday. So, lets have it; observations on folk exercising their legal right to protest...anyone got better that 'Waitrose army?'
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Come on now, Spiral. "Throwing around banal insults, holding people to arbitary standards, and general attempts to delelegitimise....." isn't that what some on the remain side have been doing since 24 June 2016? How many of the remain supporters on here have made the claim that leave voters were "uneducated" and "old?"Spiral wrote:Say what you will of the march and petition, but lower & upper estimates of between 1m and 2m people respectively, peacefully marching through London for a unified, singular, clearly defined, and, most importantly, technically and legally deliverable policy isn't nothing, and the demos are stark in contrast to the thinly veiled nationalism and threats of violence that constitute an argument in some quarters of the leave camp. Throwing around banal insults, holding people to arbitrary standards, and general attempts to delegitimise the revoke A50 cause isn't helping the leave cause, I'm sorry to say. There's one side of this debate whose political aim is deliverable, and when voiced in such numbers cannot be swatted away easily. The march and petition don't exist to directly change the process, their use is to demonstrate will. Now, if leave had better arguments, unity, and a clear strategy, we wouldn't be in this position; leave would have this in the bag and preparing for a party this Friday. So, lets have it; observations on folk exercising their legal right to protest...anyone got better that 'Waitrose army?'
And, the number of times someone has said "I didn't see that on the side of a bus..."
All I ask is a little bit of self-awareness.
I think you meant to write: "Now, if we all had better unity and a clear strategy we wouldn't be in this position....."
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Isn’t that more or less the point of politics and democracy; that you CAN try to change things that didn’t go your way?Dark Cloud wrote:I am genuinely open mouthed that people would go to so much trouble to try to change the result of a democratic vote which didn't go their way. Anyway, back in the real world of things which actually matter, I've just started watching After Life with Ricky Gervaise. It's is well funny!
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Err, excuse me, what? The message of the march was "put it to the people", and the petition asks for A50 to be revoked. Nowhere in any formal literature, messaging, or declarations of political aims do I see the words "bus", "uneducated" or "old".Paul Waine wrote:Come on now, Spiral. "Throwing around banal insults, holding people to arbitary standards, and general attempts to delelegitimise....." isn't that what some on the remain side have been doing since 24 June 2016? How many of the remain supporters on here have made the claim that leave voters were "uneducated" and "old?"
And, the number of times someone has said "I didn't see that on the side of a bus..."
All I ask is a little bit of self-awareness.
I think you meant to write: "Now, if we all had better unity and a clear strategy we wouldn't be in this position....."
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Hi Rick, I knew someone would have done it. Sorry I missed it.Rick_Muller wrote:Paul, on the Brexit thread I pasted the spreadsheet analysis that showed over 96% of the votes were UK based when it was at just over 1M. I don’t expect that to change much.
Is it easy to update the analysis? It would be interesting to learn whether the "overseas" component has increased with the added publicity.
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I voted Leave and I want to revoke article 50 because it’s an absolute f#ck up by our political system and leaders.Dark Cloud wrote:I am genuinely open mouthed that people would go to so much trouble to try to change the result of a democratic vote which didn't go their way. Anyway, back in the real world of things which actually matter, I've just started watching After Life with Ricky Gervaise. It's is well funny!
Cameron promised it in his manifesto to quell support for Farage; then delivered the referendum wrongly thinking that Leave has no chance. The Leave campaign was riddled with lies and deceit, all being fed via social media which meant it was ingested by many as facts - me included. Roll forward nearly 3 years and they’ve worked out that the referendum should have come AFTER all the negotiation to find out if the deal negotiated would be acceptable or not. I don’t want May’s deal, nor do I want WTO rules, in fact what I have learnt over the past 3 years is that we are actually much better off being in the EU with our veto and being able to influence EU policies from within.
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1 million, 2 million, actually it IS nothing when you look at how many people exercised their democratic rights and voted both ways in the referendum. Even 2 million is a pitifully small number. Should 30 odd million other adults be dictated to by the will of just 2 million? That would seem wrong and somewhat selfish imo.
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Yet you seem happy to cling onto the result of an advisory referendum?Paul Waine wrote: It's not a formal plebiscite."
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Did it on my PC at work, took 2 minutes to download the data and manipulate. Will do again tomorrow when I’m back inPaul Waine wrote:Hi Rick, I knew someone would have done it. Sorry I missed it.
Is it easy to update the analysis? It would be interesting to learn whether the "overseas" component has increased with the added publicity.
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
The petition literally states that it aims to demonstrate that the will of the people has changed. It's not saying anything close to having a minority dictate anything. It wasn't to stop brexit because, it argues, it is now the majority opinion of the people that we should stay in the EU. There's only one way to test that, btw, and this petition isn't claiming to be that.Dark Cloud wrote:1 million, 2 million, actually it IS nothing when you look at how many people exercised their democratic rights and voted both ways in the referendum. Even 2 million is a pitifully small number. Should 30 odd million other adults be dictated to by the will of just 2 million? That would seem wrong and somewhat selfish imo.
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Hi Spiral, don't you see any irony in your "banal insults" comment and the response of some of the remain supporters to the referendum result?Spiral wrote:Err, excuse me, what? The message of the march was "put it to the people", and the petition asks for A50 to be revoked. Nowhere in any formal literature, messaging, or declarations of political aims do I see the words "bus", "uneducated" or "old".
Agree, so far as I'm aware, the words I used weren;t quoted in "any formal literature...."
I also find it ironic that so many people are marching for a "people's vote" or second referendum" or whatever the latest phrase is, particularly when the claim is that "no one knew" back in 2016. Really, do we all know now?
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
Hi Ace, no, not happy with our politics. Can anyone be?Burnley Ace wrote:Yet you seem happy to cling onto the result of an advisory referendum?
I forget the exact wording of the government's pamphlet (£7 million or was it £9 million?). Did that say the referendum is only advisory and we may not do what the majority of the (voting) electorate determines?
I first posted that gov't should revoke article 50 in December 2018 - and then go back into the EU and revise the Lisbon Treaty.
I also want a long list of other reforms to our political system.
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Why would we keep having votes again and again until certain people get the result that they wanted in the first place? We don't do that with a general election. When the original referendum was held I genuinely wasn't much fussed whichever way it went, but since then we've had 2 years of what to me seems like a lot of spoiled children trying everything they can to get the result changed because they didn't like it and over those 2 years that has come to proper pee me off. And did I miss something first time around? Namely that the referendum was simply "advisory"? if so why did David Cameron not simply say, "advice noted, but we'll stay as we are ta" and just carry on?
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Re: This “ revoke article 50” petition 5 million and rising ?
You've missed the point, IT.Imploding Turtle wrote:What the **** are you talking about with "abroad email addresses"? If you don't understand something such as how IP addresses can identify locations then don't pretend that you do. "abroad" email addresses aren't relevant. It's perfectly possible to have a .co.ke domain (that's Kenya) and be in the UK using it, or anywhere else in the world). Location isn't being determined by what nations domain registrar handles the email address's domain. If it did then where do you think everyone with a .com Gmail address would be recorded as living?
Yes, when I'm travelling - business or holdays - my email address stays the same. I'd assume that a uk.gov petition would always require some info on my "home" constituency. No?
However, I have a (small) number of email addresses. I assume many people do. How does a uk.gov petition know if I've signed it more than once - even when it has used "email verification."