Speed limiters on new cars from 2022 in the EU.

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Speed limiters on new cars from 2022 in the EU.

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:03 pm

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-27/new ... -eu-rules/

Good idea, especially in built up areas.

It can be over ridden when over taking is required etc, but it just means if you're caught speeding when not over taking its just because you want to be speeding.

It's apparently already on the Ford S-Max, but even being out of the EU, they'd still be fitted to cars sold over here.

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Postby FactualFrank » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:21 pm

I remember reading about this a few weeks ago as I saw an article on Facbook. But it mentions that the driver can bypass the speed limit simply by pushing harder down on the pedal, which kind of defeats the object.

Also, what will the Government do to make up the fall in speeding fines?

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Postby Falcon » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:23 pm

Sounds exactly like the speed limiter function you can already use on some cars, where you set the speed you want to limit yourself.

I use it when going through 50 zones on the motorway. Set the thing to 50 and just keep the accelerator pedal gently down. Like a DIY cruise control.
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Postby FCBurnley » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:26 pm

Good reason to leave EU !!!
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Postby dsr » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:27 pm

On Friday my satnav had me driving through a filed near Skipton, because there weren't enough satellites within range to get a good signal. I wonder what my speed limit was? ;)

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Postby Billy Balfour » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:28 pm

Falcon wrote:I use it when going through 50 zones on the motorway. Set the thing to 50 and just keep the accelerator pedal gently down. Like a DIY cruise control.


Same here. I think it's the best thing in my car apart from the climate control.
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Postby Falcon » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:28 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Good reason to leave EU !!!



That's what the Express front page was going with today.

By the looks of things it won't matter if we leave or not - for ease the limiters will be fitted to all cars shipped to Europe anyway so we'd end up with them.
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Postby thatdberight » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I remember reading about this a few weeks ago as I saw an article on Facbook. But it mentions that the driver can bypass the speed limit simply by pushing harder down on the pedal, which kind of defeats the object.

Also, what will the Government do to make up the fall in speeding fines?


£200m loss of revenue estimate? Less all the admin round collection, management and admin - £150m (I'm being kind to the civil servants)? 250 deaths and 3,500 serious injuries, 25,000 total injuries avoided? All the traffic problems avoided? Don't know that the eventual shortfall is big in the scheme of things.
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Postby Bosscat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:36 pm

Falcon wrote:Sounds exactly like the speed limiter function you can already use on some cars, where you set the speed you want to limit yourself.

I use it when going through 50 zones on the motorway. Set the thing to 50 and just keep the accelerator pedal gently down. Like a DIY cruise control.

Our DS4 and XF Jag have it on already and its brilliant in average speed cam areas

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Postby Rick_Muller » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:36 pm

As someone who has recently been on a speed awareness course and also someone who never knowingly speeds I welcome this and I have often wondered how long it would be till in came in. Where I live (MK) I can still drive "fast" and not break the limits so it wouldn't really affect me until I drove to more unfamiliar roads where this technology would be very useful.

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Postby Bosscat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:37 pm

dsr wrote:On Friday my satnav had me driving through a filed near Skipton, because there weren't enough satellites within range to get a good signal. I wonder what my speed limit was? ;)

Why not check in your "filing cabinet" ;)
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Postby Stayingup » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I remember reading about this a few weeks ago as I saw an article on Facbook. But it mentions that the driver can bypass the speed limit simply by pushing harder down on the pedal, which kind of defeats the object.

Also, what will the Government do to make up the fall in speeding fines?


Oh dont worry about that last bit. They will find someway to get your money - thats if you have some. If you dont have any they will have no interest in you.
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Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:40 pm

Can't think of a single negative to this.
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Re: Speed limiters on new cars from 2022 in the EU.

Postby Rick_Muller » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:46 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Can't think of a single negative to this.

from a technical perspective I can, for example the car in front (the Toyota ;) ) has a slightly different calibration than your car and you are constantly gaining and slowing off in a cycle without the ability to over take without switching off the limiter and flooring it to go past, then having this recorded on your black box as an excessive speed event, which would go against you in the event of an accident. In reality, you wont get there any faster by getting in front, but the pure frustration of going 100 miles stuck behind a car with a different calibration would do my head in.

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Postby bfcmik » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:50 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Good reason to leave EU !!!

The UK government has already said they will implement this rule. And most other rules the EU set as well.

We are seen as the leading sensible voice in Europe so it seems likely that future rules will be less sensible but we will still follow them!

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Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:57 pm

from a technical perspective I can, for example the car in front (the Toyota ;) ) has a slightly different calibration than your car and you are constantly gaining and slowing off in a cycle without the ability to over take without switching off the limiter and flooring it to go past, then having this recorded on your black box as an excessive speed event, which would go against you in the event of an accident. In reality, you wont get there any faster by getting in front, but the pure frustration of going 100 miles stuck behind a car with a different calibration would do my head in.


HGVs have had for decades Rick!

Its going to cut down on deaths big style, which is a really, really, really good thing.

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Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:00 pm

*wrong thread!*

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Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:00 pm

How will Audi drivers cope
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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:12 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:from a technical perspective I can, for example the car in front (the Toyota ;) ) has a slightly different calibration than your car and you are constantly gaining and slowing off in a cycle without the ability to over take without switching off the limiter and flooring it to go past, then having this recorded on your black box as an excessive speed event, which would go against you in the event of an accident. In reality, you wont get there any faster by getting in front, but the pure frustration of going 100 miles stuck behind a car with a different calibration would do my head in.


Interesting comment the calibration etc.

I can only assume most would be reading from GPS style system, but regular checks on the system would be required.
The same checks are required for lane assist cameras and most people are ignorant of the fact that if you have certain work carried out on cars with lane assist they need to be calibrated again afterwards or insurance could potentially be invalid in the event of an accident.
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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:13 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:How will Audi drivers cope


VAG motors tend to be the most advanced with this sort of tech so they'll soon work out how to get round it and ignore it.

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Postby 4:20 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:29 pm

I had a second hand Master van last year with a 70 mph limiter on it. It was absolutely brilliant for on the motorway, to be able to drive without the worry of checking your speed was great, they aid concentration.

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Postby CoolClaret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:46 pm

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Postby Rick_Muller » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:HGVs have had for decades Rick!

Its going to cut down on deaths big style, which is a really, really, really good thing.


Yeah I know - I often get stuck behind 2 HGV's on a dual carriageway with one doing 59mph and the other 59.2mph for about 10 miles... thats exactly the issue with this.

In terms of your second comment - this will not cut deaths big style [sic] I argued successfully (as the instructors agreed) at my speed awareness course that speed is only one of many factors that can cause accidents - most of the others fall under the category of "stupidity"... using your phone; eating; smoking; distractions (kids in the car etc); all the things that are not driving the car can be included in that.

Yes, this will help reduce deaths, but I fear that many will rely upon the tech too much and be easily distracted more and have more accidents (within the speed limit!).

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Postby box_of_frogs » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:04 pm

Nanny state.

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Postby Blackrod » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:09 pm

Will encourage lazy driving. I would prefer tougher driving tests and improving driver awareness. The majority drive well but we need to pander to the minority that don’t so we look to be doing something good. I can understand it in a built up area but don’t support it on the open road. I know up someone who fell asleep using an automated car driving system. Think this could encourage more of the same.
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Postby Bosscat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:VAG motors tend to be the most advanced with this sort of tech so they'll soon work out how to get round it and ignore it.

Do Audi drivers = VAGina's
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Postby bfcmik » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:54 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Yeah I know - I often get stuck behind 2 HGV's on a dual carriageway with one doing 59mph and the other 59.2mph for about 10 miles... thats exactly the issue with this.

The lorries would be going at 56mph. That tiny difference is, usually, down to differences in tyre wear. A bigger problem is those companies who have decided to reduce fuel expenditure by limiting at 54, 52 (Sainsbury's & Asda) or 50 (Tesco). Nightmare on dual carriageways.

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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:59 pm

bfcmik wrote:The lorries would be going at 56mph. That tiny difference is, usually, down to differences in tyre wear. A bigger problem is those companies who have decided to reduce fuel expenditure by limiting at 54, 52 (Sainsbury's & Asda) or 50 (Tesco). Nightmare on dual carriageways.


It isn't a nightmare for very long though.

It's a bigger issue when someone driving along clearly has an issue overtaking a lorry, takes a few mins to think about and then actually doing it thus creating a tailback behind them of people who've no issue driving past a lorry

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Postby duncandisorderly » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:04 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:It isn't a nightmare for very long though.

It's a bigger issue when someone driving along clearly has an issue overtaking a lorry, takes a few mins to think about and then actually doing it thus creating a tailback behind them of people who've no issue driving past a lorry



Maybe folk should go on patience awareness courses instead of speed awareness courses then.
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Postby PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:05 pm

I use cruise control on a regular basis, eg setting it at 50mph in a 50mph zone, I never use the speed limiter.

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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:10 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Maybe folk should go on patience awareness courses instead of speed awareness courses then.


Sure, just as soon as people are taught to drive on dual and motorways with confidence.

Fair deal?
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Postby duncandisorderly » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Sure, just as soon as people are taught to drive on dual and motorways with confidence.

Fair deal?


Absolutely. It should be part of the test. I can drive and choose not to, so legally I'm allowed to tear arse up and down the M65 or whatever and no way should I be allowed to. I passed my test 10 years ago and stopped driving 12 months later. I can buy a car tomorrow and go out driving wherever I want. That shouldn't be allowed. I'd make a right mess.

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Postby cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:28 pm

BIG BROTHER CONTINUES TO WATCH AND CONTROL US.

What a nonsense rule.

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Postby BennyD » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:41 pm

It’s another load of EU cr4p. I’ll renew my daily in 2021 so I’ll be able to overtake all the 2022 cars whenever I want. Happy days.
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Postby Billy Balfour » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:44 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Nanny state.


Yeah, like airbags, seat belts and brakes.

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Postby Vegas Claret » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:09 pm

speed limit is different all across Europe, they need to sort that out first

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Postby dougcollins » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:13 pm

Part of the problem is that some people wont overtake anything. Ever.

It must have been made illegal actually, because when I overtake them I get a full beam in my rear view.
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Postby Bosscat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:speed limit is different all across Europe, they need to sort that out first

Apparently it will work on satnave tech and sign recognition. My Jag has a speed sign on the dash showing current speed limit (as does the tomtom sat nav in my wifes DS4
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Postby Cirrus_Minor » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:24 pm

Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.

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Postby box_of_frogs » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:32 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.

Cigarettes kill far more. Shall we ban them?

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Postby cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:40 pm

Bosscat wrote:Apparently it will work on satnave tech and sign recognition. My Jag has a speed sign on the dash showing current speed limit (as does the to tom sat nav in my wifes DS4

And how often is it wrong - especially in the standard Sat Nav in Jaguar Landrover Sat Navs!?

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Postby cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:41 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.


Speed doesn't kill.

Dickhead driving does. And driving to the wrong conditions does. Speed doesn't kill. Granted crashing at speed is obviously significantly more dangerous.

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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:41 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Cigarettes kill far more. Shall we ban them?


Yeah, it's about time that was done.

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Postby Rick_Muller » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:44 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Yeah, it's about time that was done.

Prohibitions never solve anything, education does
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Postby bfcmik » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:speed limit is different all across Europe, they need to sort that out first

Speed limits are different all over the UK. My 3 mile drive to play walking football involves 8 different speed limit zones! My Ford Kuga recognises them all and kindly puts a reminder in my dashboard.

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Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:47 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Prohibitions never solve anything, education does


Despite all the information out there still we see kids starting up with either smoking or vaping.

I've seen reports that smoking in the UK will stop in the next 30 years, but I can't see it happening.

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Postby Rick_Muller » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:50 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Despite all the information out there still we see kids starting up with either smoking or vaping.

I've seen reports that smoking in the UK will stop in the next 30 years, but I can't see it happening.

When I was a smoker I could walk almost anywhere and no one would care at all if I was smoking. Nowadays, smokers are rare where I am, they are a dying (ahem) breed

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Postby cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Despite all the information out there still we see kids starting up with either smoking or vaping.

I've seen reports that smoking in the UK will stop in the next 30 years, but I can't see it happening.

That's because of how the message is put out there. Most kids want to breach the rules.

My parents never told me DONT smoke, it was always I would be UPSET if you smoked. Same message just explained in a different way. And probably one of the main reasons I never did it. More out of fear of upsetting my parents. (Along with knowing you would have to be absolutely stupid to want to take up a smelly, unhealthy expensive habit).

God knows why anyone starts.

But usually if a parent, teacher, or other says DONT do it. Chances are, you will!

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Postby Claretforever » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:37 pm

Bosscat wrote:Apparently it will work on satnave tech and sign recognition. My Jag has a speed sign on the dash showing current speed limit (as does the tomtom sat nav in my wifes DS4


My Jag XF was wrong about the speed limit on ocassions driving around the UK. I wouldn’t totally rely on it, only using as a reasonable guide.

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Re: Speed limiters on new cars from 2022 in the EU.

Postby Bosscat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:40 pm

Claretforever wrote:My Jag XF was wrong about the speed limit on ocassions driving around the UK. I wouldn’t totally rely on it, only using as a reasonable guide.

Always do m8 after using a tomtom when I had the business you know not to rely on sat navigation for anything :lol: :lol:


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