Speed limiters on new cars from 2022 in the EU.

[dsr]

Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.

Anything? It would be perfectly possible to reduce road deaths to pretty much nil. Set speed limits to 20 mph nationally, 5 mph in towns. With speed limiters, of course. Hardly anyone would be killed.

Would you agree this, Cirrus? Or do you want to qualify your statement? Society as a whole accepts that people will die in the interests of getting around the country faster. Should we accept this, or should we chop the limits right down?

[tim_noone]

I had a second hand Master van last year with a 70 mph limiter on it. It was absolutely brilliant for on the motorway, to be able to drive without the worry of checking your speed was great, they aid concentration.

Not much use on the M6 with all the 30..40..50mph average speed checks. 70mph gets you 3points and a fine

[BennyD]

Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.

Bolloxcs; speed doesn’t kill, it’s the incorrect use of speed that kills. I’ve just driven across Europe at speeds well in excess of 100mph and nobody died. If I drive past my local school at 30mph when they are being dropped off, someone is likely to be. There are too many people on the road that shouldn’t be, because they haven’t got the speed of thought to react to modern day traffic.

[Blackrod]

Speed doesn't kill.

Dickhead driving does. And driving to the wrong conditions does. Speed doesn't kill. Granted crashing at speed is obviously significantly more dangerous.

This.

Improve driver awareness. Do not let young lads behind the wheel of high powered or modified cars. Clamp down on speeding in built up areas. Ban people for using mobile phones whilst driving ( imo amongst van drivers and young female drivers this is common place). Don’t make people worse drivers through laziness.

How many drivers are on the roads and how many accidents are there just because of speed. They are normally because of idiotic or lazy driving.

[Jel]

This will be the death of companies like Aston Martin, Ferrari, Porsche etc
I wonder how many jobs will be lost, not just in manufacturing but also sales and after sales support/ servicing?

[Jel]

Motor bikes next?

[claret2018]

Some fantastically predictable responses from our resident gammons here.

[Rick_Muller]

Some fantastically predictable responses from our resident gammons here.

sorry, whats a "gammon"?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

This will be the death of companies like Aston Martin, Ferrari, Porsche etc
I wonder how many jobs will be lost, not just in manufacturing but also sales and after sales support/ servicing?

The death of supercar companies will happen when self driving cars are the norm and only available option, but they could still potentially sell their brand.

A speed limiter that can be over ridden by the driver won't kill supercar companies.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Bolloxcs; speed doesn’t kill, it’s the incorrect use of speed that kills. I’ve just driven across Europe at speeds well in excess of 100mph and nobody died. If I drive past my local school at 30mph when they are being dropped off, someone is likely to be. There are too many people on the road that shouldn’t be, because they haven’t got the speed of thought to react to modern day traffic.

Round of applause for this one.

[Herts Clarets]

Bolloxcs; speed doesn’t kill, it’s the incorrect use of speed that kills. I’ve just driven across Europe at speeds well in excess of 100mph and nobody died. If I drive past my local school at 30mph when they are being dropped off, someone is likely to be. There are too many people on the road that shouldn’t be, because they haven’t got the speed of thought to react to modern day traffic.

Fully agree with this. I have driven in the dim and distant past at 140mph on a British motorway. It was late at night, no traffic, only me in the car and I was fully aware of the risks involved, but those risks were to me only. In the past 9 years I have been involved in 2 collisions that on both occasions resulted in my car being written off. Neither of these involved excessive speed. One was a LGV not paying attention and rear ending me and 2 other cars on the M25 as we had stopped in a queue. The second was a 4x4 pulling out of a driveway straight across my path and I hit the side of him. The one safety feature that I have experienced that would have helped in both of these incidents is Autonomous Emergency Braking. I spent a day at Millbrook last year with Mercedes and drove a number of their vans and 4x4 vehicles. It was terrifying driving a Sprinter at 70mph around the bowl and then attempting to run into the back of a slower Sprinter lapping the bowl at 40mph. We got to within probably 6 feet of the rear of the other van and then as I was just about to require a change of underwear, automatic emergency braking was deployed. The van almost stood on its front end such was the force of braking, however it prevented a collision.

[Rick_Muller]

I spent a day at Millbrook last year with Mercedes and drove a number of their vans and 4x4 vehicles. It was terrifying driving a Sprinter at 70mph around the bowl and then attempting to run into the back of a slower Sprinter lapping the bowl at 40mph. We got to within probably 6 feet of the rear of the other van and then as I was just about to require a change of underwear, automatic emergency braking was deployed. The van almost stood on its front end such was the force of braking, however it prevented a collision.

How come you had a day at Millbrook? Work? I'd love to have a drive around there on the big circle..! I go past quite often on my way to Ampthill from where I live.

[Herts Clarets]

How come you had a day at Millbrook? Work? I'd love to have a drive around there on the big circle..! I go past quite often on my way to Ampthill from where I live.

It was a Mercedes corporate day. I run in the region of 30 commercial vehicles at work and there are a large proportion that are due for replacement, so I got an invite. I got a Sprinter up to 95mph on the bowl before I had to turn off and let someone else have a go. We did some bits with vehicles with all the windows blacked out so you had to negotiate a series of cones using only the external cameras for vision. And the last activity was a MPG test around a circuit. Most drove at 30mph in 5th gear barely above tickover to get the max figure. I won a booby prize for the worst figure by driving the course at max revs in 1st and 2nd gear only

[bfcjg]

Bad idea, even the AA etc have said you need speed to get on a motorway or overtake.

[houseboy]

Some strange comments on here. If people disagree with this then they must also disagree with the principle of having speed limits. The simple truth is that speed kills and anything that reduces that should be welcomed.

Wrong, stupid driving kills, there is a difference. Undertaking, tailgating, speeding in bad weather, bad lane discipline, etc. I have never seen how doing a hundred miles per hour plus on a nearly deserted motorway in perfect driving conditions can be considered dangerous. And what of the sales, Europe wide, of performance vehicles? Are peoples jobs going to be at risk with this particular piece of EU nannyism?

Why don't they make everyone just buy a bicycle and have done with it (but then they would enforce helmets).

Incidentally if all cars have to have this are the government going to pay for the fitting of them or are the good people of Europe going to have top foot the bill for something they don't want.....again?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Amusing how many are complaining but clearly haven't read up on it.

1- it can be over ridden.

2- it will come fitted as standard to all new cars from 2022 (like lane assist cameras etc) but some models already have it now.

As for nannyism, some people are so crap at driving at any speed, something needs to be done about it.

Including the absolute effing morons who sit on the motorway at 50mph, in the middle lane, in an area with no road works and think it's perfectly acceptable to endanger everyone else with their poor driving.

The only way to reduce accidents is to nanny people sometimes.

[BennyD]

Some fantastically predictable responses from our resident gammons here.

Spoken like a true outside-lane hogger; “I’m doing 70 so no one can overtake me”.

[FactualFrank]

sorry, whats a "gammon"?

Don't be pig-ignorant, Rick.

[Rick_Muller]

Don't be pig-ignorant, Rick.

sorry Frank, I genuinely have no idea what it is referring to...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

sorry Frank, I genuinely have no idea what it is referring to...

Gammon - current trendy term for old, racist, sexist and probably homophobic white blokes.

[Rick_Muller]

Gammon - current trendy term for old, racist, sexist and probably homophobic white blokes.

Thanks Sid, I had no idea... now I'm curious who the post was aimed at

[Bosscat]

Thanks Sid, I had no idea... now I'm curious who the post was aimed at

Bacon lovers?

[brexit]

Can't think of a single negative to this.

price of 2nd hand Focus ST's will rocket

[bfcjg]

Gammon and egg ....veggie
Gammon and pineapple. ..vegan.