Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

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Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by JimMcDonald » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:22 pm

19 years old. Scoring goals in the Premierleague. Getting better each game. Impressed whilst training with the England first team.

Unfortunately for me the answer is no. Once one of the big teams come sniffing and they offer him wages double what we can offer he will be off and you cant blame the lad.

His valuation is going up everyweek. How much would you accept for him realistically ? Id say £25 million.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by BFC123 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:24 pm

If Chelsea are turning down £35m for someone who hasn’t even started a Premier League game then we’re looking at a lot more than £25m for McNeil with 5 years on his contract.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by South West Claret. » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:25 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:19 years old. Scoring goals in the Premierleague. Getting better each game. Impressed whilst training with the England first team.

Unfortunately for me the answer is no. Once one of the big teams come sniffing and they offer him wages double what we can offer he will be off and you cant blame the lad.

His valuation is going up everyweek. How much would you accept for him realistically ? Id say £25 million.
I’d say just enjoy the win today watch it on motd perhaps tonight and leave that question to another time.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by COBBLE » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:28 pm

Its the Burnley way at its best. The problem comes when the production line produces nothing. Enjoy it while he's here.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:32 pm

South West Claret. wrote:I’d say just enjoy the win today watch it on mod perhaps tonight and leave that question to another time.
I'm thinking similar thoughts to this. He's a good player - he's not Messi. Other clubs I am sure, will be seeing him as his first season and would still be a risk to offer mega money. Especially if he's not guaranteed football - which will matter a lot to McNeil.

If we stay up (still a job to do), then I think he'll stay for at least another season. Then who knows. But for the next 12 months? Of course we can.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Aclaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:33 pm

Are we right in singing he's one of our own ? Wasn't he one of Man U 's

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:34 pm

He's here as long as he wants to be, but the more we play him, the better he gets and will be coveted more
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Blackrod » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:39 pm

Don’t think it would do him any good to go too soon. He can keep improving with us first.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:41 pm

Aclaret wrote:Are we right in singing he's one of our own ? Wasn't he one of Man U 's
I guess it depends on the age. He joined us at 14.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by jurek » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:43 pm

The key question for me is how far can McNeil improve?
Hopefully far enough to continue playing well (and improving)
into next season in the premiership and still with us.
Another good season with us and then someone might come knocking
and it could be 20m+.

He's kind of filling the role Defour might have been expected to do
but in certain areas he probably offers more.

As a result of his goal/performance many a Burnley fan feels
infinitely less worried than they were before and, at times during todays' game.

I thank him for that.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:45 pm

His style of play so reminds me of Glenn Little.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by joey13 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:46 pm

Another season for us at least

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Goobs » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:57 pm

ClaretAL wrote:His style of play so reminds me of Glenn Little.
I always say Waddle but then both he and Little had the same awkward loping style that was equally devastating. However you look at it the lad is 19 and people are already talking about him which is very exciting.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:58 pm

Not a chance we will keep him more than another year. First big offer and he will be gone (sadly)

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:02 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Not a chance we will keep him more than another year. First big offer and he will be gone (sadly)
I disagree. He's good - he's not that good. He's (a) signed a decent contract - (b) he's not reached his peak (c) I think we'll stay up (d) we can afford to reject any offer, even if we did go down.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by bobinho » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:04 pm

If he continues in his current form, and improves his stamina, someone will come in for him. Maybe Wolves, Everton someone like that. Top six? Nah....

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by bobinho » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:11 pm

ClaretAL wrote:His style of play so reminds me of Glenn Little.
To me, nowt like glen little. Little didn’t have a clue what he was gonna do, or how he was gonna do it..... no surprise he was so effective. Unreadable.

McNeil is quicker off the mark, smaller, more mobile, faster over distance. He’s just better than little. He’s effective at a higher level.

I just hope he doesn’t have his attacking threat and impetus coached out of him. His first thought when he gets the ball is to move forward with it or to pass it forward. That’s not the party line.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by cockneyclaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:15 pm

Be sold with the first call Garlick receives.. not like us to turn an offer down or haggle teams.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:19 pm

We’ll get next season out of him and depending how good he is take it from there . He’s no wonder kid but a great talent and may well develop into a high class prem player
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:22 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:We’ll get next season out of him and depending how good he is take it from there . He’s no wonder kid but a great talent and may well develop into a high class prem player
I'd go along with that. But let's not all rate and sell him before he's even grown into the player he can be. Let's get survival cemented and go from there.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:32 pm

Next season? No doubt. Beyond that who knows. Enjoy him while we can rather than worry about if he might go.

We have lost lots of players for huge money down the years. And no doubt he can already command big money. But one things clear. We have always been ok. (The player hasnt always mind...)

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:37 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Be sold with the first call Garlick receives.. not like us to turn an offer down or haggle teams.

Think you need to read the Chairman's statement that accompanied yesterdays financial results


"we continued to invest in new playing talent whilst trading players where we felt that they might be at, or close to, the peak of their value."


and Dwight is some way away from that at the moment
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:38 pm

Probably going to get shot down here, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about him, don’t get me wrong he’s clearly playing well, and is a good player but I can’t see any premier team being interested at the moment off a dozen appearances.
I suspect everyone likes him as he is the most creative attacking outfield player we have at the moment and comes up with an end product.
There’s a player in there for sure, but let’s not get too carried away, plus teams will start double marking him soon.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:24 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Be sold with the first call Garlick receives.. not like us to turn an offer down or haggle teams.
Bellend.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:26 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:Probably going to get shot down here, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about him, don’t get me wrong he’s clearly playing well, and is a good player but I can’t see any premier team being interested at the moment off a dozen appearances.
I suspect everyone likes him as he is the most creative attacking outfield player we have at the moment and comes up with an end product.
There’s a player in there for sure, but let’s not get too carried away, plus teams will start double marking him soon.
Hes 19. And has created 7 goals in his first 15 premier league games.

You are right. Nothing to see here...
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:29 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Bellend.
Bit harsh. We're all Burnley fans at the end of the day.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:31 pm

Goobs wrote:I always say Waddle but then both he and Little had the same awkward loping style that was equally devastating. However you look at it the lad is 19 and people are already talking about him which is very exciting.
I’m pretty sure both Waddle and Little were playing non league at McNeils age.

The thing that impresses me most about him is his football brain. His decision making of which pass to make or when to shoot just comes totally naturally to him. And best of all is he can back it up with that wand of a left foot.

He’s saved our season.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:36 pm

If he continues to progress, the decision will be his to make, not the club's.
The only debate will be the size of the fee.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Bit harsh. We're all Burnley fans at the end of the day.
Yeah, but some fans seem to do nowt but moan about the club. Gets a bit tiresome, especially after a good win on a sunny day.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:53 pm

I have been wondering recently why Dyche, who very rarely comments on individual performances, has made a point of bigging him up in recent interviews. Surely if you wanted to keep prying eyes away, if anything you’d be trying to play it down. It’s almost like he’s window-dressing him.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:56 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Think you need to read the Chairman's statement that accompanied yesterdays financial results
"we continued to invest in new playing talent whilst trading players where we felt that they might be at, or close to, the peak of their value."
and Dwight is some way away from that at the moment
He's played about a third of the season and has 3 goals and 3 assists.

Say he equals that same form and ends next season with 9 goals and 9 assists; a 20 year old English midfielder with 3 years left on a contract.
That's got to be close to peak value, to us anyway.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:08 pm

CombatClaret wrote:He's played about a third of the season and has 3 goals and 3 assists.

Say he equals that same form and ends next season with 9 goals and 9 assists; a 20 year old English midfielder with 3 years left on a contract.
That's got to be close to peak value, to us anyway.
4 assists :D 8-)

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:10 pm

scouseclaret wrote:I have been wondering recently why Dyche, who very rarely comments on individual performances, has made a point of bigging him up in recent interviews. Surely if you wanted to keep prying eyes away, if anything you’d be trying to play it down. It’s almost like he’s window-dressing him.

Burnley boss Sean Dyche hails Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood
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Sean Dyche has hailed “unsung heroes” Jack Cork and Ashley Westwood as key players in the Clarets’ revival.
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BURNLEY boss Sean Dyche has praised Jeff Hendrick for his recent performances...
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:?: :?:

Seems he hails individual performances regularly, very rarely does he ever say much outright negative about the team because he knows confidence is a huge part of a team and players like ours.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:14 pm

bobinho wrote:To me, nowt like glen little. Little didn’t have a clue what he was gonna do, or how he was gonna do it..... no surprise he was so effective. Unreadable.

McNeil is quicker off the mark, smaller, more mobile, faster over distance. He’s just better than little. He’s effective at a higher level.

I just hope he doesn’t have his attacking threat and impetus coached out of him. His first thought when he gets the ball is to move forward with it or to pass it forward. That’s not the party line.
Glen little was a master at putting the fullback in a spin or on their arse, O neil is getting there but not quite there yet, hope his flair isn’t coached out of him like you say, we’ve missed his threat on the wing for what seems like eons.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by bfcjg » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:31 pm

Players move on be it upwards sideways or downwards but it happens.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:36 pm

Let’s remember he has just signed a very long contract, so if he does go, it SHOULD be for huge money.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:52 pm

Hopefully clubs are looking at our young players.

It’s how we’ll stay successful.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:09 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Let’s remember he has just signed a very long contract, so if he does go, it SHOULD be for huge money.
You're not selling it to me pal. I want more!

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:19 pm

WHY sell him.

We can afford to keep him and he's going nowhere!

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:20 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:WHY sell him.

We can afford to keep him and he's going nowhere!
We cant afford to keep him. We only made 40m profit last year.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:48 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:We cant afford to keep him. We only made 40m profit last year.
3.4 million lies right there.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:48 am

No we can't.
If he continues on his current trajectory, the envious eyes that are now ogling him will, as we all know if we're being honest, turn into serious bids from the United's and Chelsea's, or whoever, and he'll rightly (for his career)
be off. Its the way of the world.

But we should receive a colossal wedge for him.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by dsr » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:30 am

cockneyclaret wrote:Be sold with the first call Garlick receives.. not like us to turn an offer down or haggle teams.
I suppose if your attitude is that everything the Board does is wrong, then you wouldn't want any facts to get in the way of your blind prejudice.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:19 am

I thought Charlie didn't give the ball to Dwight enough in the match? hes got to feed our best attacker more..

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:25 am

FCBurnley wrote:Not a chance we will keep him more than another year. First big offer and he will be gone (sadly)
We may as well just slash our wrists now then!.......FFS, enjoy it.
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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by Spijed » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:00 am

How come Hudson-Odoi seems to be valued far higher yet he's played fewer matches than DM?

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by IanMcL » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:32 am

He lacks that electric pace, so will not attract the very best. My advice would be to stay where he can play. At 19, he has time on his side.

Anyway, he looks like Jimmy Adamson. He should stay for life.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by nyclaret » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:50 am

Spijed wrote:How come Hudson-Odoi seems to be valued far higher yet he's played fewer matches than DM?
Greater potential?

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by claretspice » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:59 am

I'm pretty sure he won't be going anywhere this summer if we stay up. Young talents rarely get picked up in January either when the market is inflated so realistically we've got him got next season if we can offer Premier League football.

Can we keep him longer? Not sure but perhaps there's no need to look much further ahead and just enjoy having him that long. He seems like a level headed kid who has already learnt the hard way the difficulties of trying to break through at one of the top clubs so I'd like to think we've a decent chance of keeping his head from being turned.

The big unknown in all this of course is relegation. If we go down this summer we might keep hold of him, but realistically if he keeps progressing he's going to be far too good for the Championship pretty soon so the task of keeping hold becomes much harder if we go down.

One thing we can offer him is the environment to develop to the height of his potential, which may well involve offering him the platform to take on a central role much earlier than he'd get that chance at a top club.

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Re: Can we keep hold of McNeil ?

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:06 am

Whatever happens, we need at least a 20-25% sell-on if and when he does leave.

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