Bury : No Wages

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:23 pm

An offer's been tabled to buy Dale out,but given his previous reticence i wouldn't bank on him playing ball.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49324224

If this deal falls through that might seal their demise sadly.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:05 pm

Message to @buryfcofficial’s Steve Dale, I can introduce you to a serious prospective owner who may prove to be the right buyer but you’re not returning their emails. Three to date. @SkySportsNews

The local MP has tweeted this, doesn't sound like Dale actually wants to sell the club.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:09 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Who runs the club website ? One day it's running rambling statements from the Chairman...today club " staff " seem to have commandeered it and are using it to convey messages to him. All very strange...

Dale has queried why that has appeared on their website and I don’t think he’s too impressed with the offer

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:18 pm

Dale wants to sell the land for housing that he paid a quid for.
If he succeeds I hope Bury fans plant loads of Japanese knotweed in the area and cost him a fortune.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:34 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Dale wants to sell the land for housing that he paid a quid for.
If he succeeds I hope Bury fans plant loads of Japanese knotweed in the area and cost him a fortune.

In the CVA document it states that if the land is sold, there is a covenant in place, that the land cannot be used for alternative use and must remain as a football ground.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:35 pm

UPDATED STATEMENT FROM STEVE DALE:

“Due to the agenda with the EFL, my health and recent events at the Club I can confirm I am happy to pass the Club on to the next custodian. For an agreed consideration and them being the right fit for Bury.”

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:39 pm

"Whilst trying to piece together Bury FC's accounts is a bit like putting together a jigsaw with half the pieces missing & no picture on the box" - from Kieran Maguire in December.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:51 pm

Andingle wrote:UPDATED STATEMENT FROM STEVE DALE:

“Due to the agenda with the EFL, my health and recent events at the Club I can confirm I am happy to pass the Club on to the next custodian. For an agreed consideration and them being the right fit for Bury.”

At last he's seeing sense,i don't see how they could be a worse fit after his tenure in charge,but with some owners in recent times you can never be certain until they take the reins.

It's a promising development for the club,but until legal documents are signed and sealed they're still on tenterhooks.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:55 pm

tiger76 wrote:At last he's seeing sense,i don't see how they could be a worse fit after his tenure in charge,but with some owners in recent times you can never be certain until they take the reins.

It's a promising development for the club,but until legal documents are signed and sealed they're still on tenterhooks.

That’s if you believe a word this bloke says

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:05 pm

tiger76 wrote:At last he's seeing sense,i don't see how they could be a worse fit after his tenure in charge,but with some owners in recent times you can never be certain until they take the reins.

It's a promising development for the club,but until legal documents are signed and sealed they're still on tenterhooks.

He's a conman who now wants his pound back

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That’s if you believe a word this bloke says

In Bury's predicament they don't have any other option but to take him at face value,that's why i said until the legal niceties are all in place they'll still be a nagging doubt,there's also

marks over the new custodians and what ulterior motive they might have,their intentions may well be honourable,but until more details emerge regarding their wallets,and how deep their pockets are,and crucially where the funding's coming from,many people will naturally remain cynical.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:56 pm

It might be frying pan into the fire but the fire cannot be as bad as this frying pan

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:19 am

Andingle wrote:We can confirm that today we have received an offer for the sale of Bury Football Club, one that we all at the Club believe is a very good offer.

This offer has been conveyed to Steve Dale and we are still waiting to hear from him.

This offer is the only lifeline for the future of the Club and we implore Steve Dale to accept it, as it has the full backing of all of the senior staff at Bury FC.

I've only half been following this.

I assume from the fact that the offer is going to Dale that they are not in administration.

I assume there must be payments outstanding to creditors that's kicked all this off. Has no-one tried to put them into administration?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:31 am

aggi wrote:I've only half been following this.

I assume from the fact that the offer is going to Dale that they are not in administration.

I assume there must be payments outstanding to creditors that's kicked all this off. Has no-one tried to put them into administration?

The Football League have deducted 12 points for going into admin

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:44 am

aggi wrote:I've only half been following this.

I assume from the fact that the offer is going to Dale that they are not in administration.

I assume there must be payments outstanding to creditors that's kicked all this off. Has no-one tried to put them into administration?

My understanding is this, not saying it is correct though.

Dale put them into the CVA rather than someone else putting them into administration so he gets the £3.6m owed to him in full rather than 25p in the pound. I think it was the creditors of mercardo who could have asked for the club to be placed into administration.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:46 am

NL Claret wrote:My understanding is this, not saying it is correct though.

Dale put them into the CVA rather than someone else putting them into administration so he gets the £3.6m owed to him in full rather than 25p in the pound. I think it was the creditors of mercardo who could have asked for the club to be placed into administration.

That makes sense

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:00 am

NL Claret wrote:My understanding is this, not saying it is correct though.

Dale put them into the CVA rather than someone else putting them into administration so he gets the £3.6m owed to him in full rather than 25p in the pound. I think it was the creditors of mercardo who could have asked for the club to be placed into administration.

That is bob on , Dale has'nt put money into the club and wanted to liquidate from the minute he walked in the door , lots more will come out in wash I hope , its actually the people he brought in that have turned on him.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:26 am

If the club can't see the way to pay its debts and the director(s) don't put the company into administration, then the directors become personally liable for any debts. Administration isn't supposed to be an option - it's compulsory for the directors to do it as soon as they see it's necessary.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am

Cheers. I was wondering why there was no mention of IPs in that statement above but I guess they're just glossing over them as Dale is the major creditor.

Looks to be a fairly small company doing the administration. Bit surprised I haven't heard of them as there's some crossover with some specialist areas I've worked in.

Any ideas who RCR Holdings are, they are the major creditor according to the CVA filing. They seem to have some link to Dale but they are owned by someone called Kris Richards. Google isn't throwing anything up on them.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:42 am

Andingle wrote:That is bob on , Dale has'nt put money into the club and wanted to liquidate from the minute he walked in the door , lots more will come out in wash I hope , its actually the people he brought in that have turned on him.

What I don't get is how is Dale owed £3.6m and where did it go? No accounts have been submitted.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:52 am

Who owns Gigg Lane and its access?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:53 am

aggi wrote:Cheers. I was wondering why there was no mention of IPs in that statement above but I guess they're just glossing over them as Dale is the major creditor.

Looks to be a fairly small company doing the administration. Bit surprised I haven't heard of them as there's some crossover with some specialist areas I've worked in.

Any ideas who RCR Holdings are, they are the major creditor according to the CVA filing. They seem to have some link to Dale but they are owned by someone called Kris Richards. Google isn't throwing anything up on them.

https://burymeinexile.com/2019/07/03/cva-cba/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The CVA document is in this article.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:56 am

NL Claret wrote:What I don't get is how is Dale owed £3.6m and where did it go? No accounts have been submitted.

I'm baffled how he's owed 3.6M , he has'nt put it in as I believe it , I don't prentend to be clued up on legal stuff but it was suggested the 3.6M was owed to SD1 ?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:39 pm

Top Claret wrote:Who owns Gigg Lane and its access?

This is another area of confusion - I thought Dale had transferred the assets (ground and memorabilia) into new companies to protect them or keep them for himself. I am not sure if he was done this with the ground though, say he did sell the club he might still be the club's landlord so could get a rental income from it.

There was also a reported issue about who actually owns the car park. Not sure if Day (SD1) leased it to investors!

It is complex, under Day there were inter companies loans / transfers, is that how Dale (SD2) is owed £3.6m?

Without the accounts , and knowledge of accounting (which I haven't got) it is very very unclear as to what has gone on. Kieran Maguire tweeted in December that it was like trying to do a jigsaw with half the pieces missing and no picture.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Looking at the CVA, they are screwed.

Hopefully the league will put everyone out of their misery by expelling them which in turn will liquidate the club. Someone will rock up and buy the saleable bits and therefore have to start from scratch in the lower leagues.

Holdo · Post by **Holdo** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:56 pm

aggi wrote:Cheers. I was wondering why there was no mention of IPs in that statement above but I guess they're just glossing over them as Dale is the major creditor.

Looks to be a fairly small company doing the administration. Bit surprised I haven't heard of them as there's some crossover with some specialist areas I've worked in.

Any ideas who RCR Holdings are, they are the major creditor according to the CVA filing. They seem to have some link to Dale but they are owned by someone called Kris Richards. Google isn't throwing anything up on them.

From what the Bury messageboard is saying it is Steve Dale's son in law

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:34 pm

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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:03 pm

Bury’s game against Gillingham this Saturday has just been suspended

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Bury’s game against Gillingham this Saturday has just been suspended

Realistically how long can the EFL allow this to continue,i know they are trying to help the club as much as possible,but surely it's getting to the point where they have to consider expulsion,that'll be 3 League fixtures suspended,plus their cup tie at Sheffield Wednesday.

If this is allowed to drag out much longer the whole league schedule will be in a mess,and clubs will have to squeeze a number of games into a crazy time frame.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 pm

tiger76 wrote:Realistically how long can the EFL allow this to continue,i know they are trying to help the club as much as possible,but surely it's getting to the point where they have to consider expulsion,that'll be 3 League fixtures suspended,plus their cup tie at Sheffield Wednesday.

If this is allowed to drag out much longer the whole league schedule will be in a mess,and clubs will have to squeeze a number of games into a crazy time frame.

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/ef ... t-bury-fc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:24 pm

Andingle wrote:https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/ef ... t-bury-fc/

Thanks! so 23rd August is the final deadline,according to the fixture list they are scheduled a trip to Rotherham on the 20 August,so that must be in major doubt as well.

It seems harsh but there has to be a cut-off point sooner or later,otherwise the whole fabric of the league comes under strain.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:57 pm

tiger76 wrote:Thanks! so 23rd August is the final deadline,according to the fixture list they are scheduled a trip to Rotherham on the 20 August,so that must be in major doubt as well.

It seems harsh but there has to be a cut-off point sooner or later,otherwise the whole fabric of the league comes under strain.

Decision apparently this Thursday on whether to suspend the Rotherham game and then the cut off next week. As you say it can’t go on indefinitely.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:04 pm

12 points behind 5th bottom but 2 games in hand.

Rather have points on the board

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Decision apparently this Thursday on whether to suspend the Rotherham game and then the cut off next week. As you say it can’t go on indefinitely.

Nope there's got to be a final decision made soon,i feel for the staff who are in limbo,they can't look for alternative employment,and they don't know from week to week what the future holds.

O/T a ? for you Tony,if a thread is deleted do all the likes etc disappear,just curious as my likes have dropped slightly,i can only assume that's the explanation,it's not a major deal i just wondered thanks.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:46 pm

tiger76 wrote:Nope there's got to be a final decision made soon,i feel for the staff who are in limbo,they can't look for alternative employment,and they don't know from week to week what the future holds.

O/T a ? for you Tony,if a thread is deleted do all the likes etc disappear,just curious as my likes have dropped slightly,i can only assume that's the explanation,it's not a major deal i just wondered thanks.

In terms of staff, I don't think there are many if any left and possibly could be classed as volunteers. Apparently the ground has been like a ghost town for a while. Every thing locked / shut.....club shop etc.

The players that played in the friendlies will probably have moved on into non league as most were unheard of trialists.

If you go through the thread, there should be one about the chairman criticising staff for staying at the club whilst not getting paid. Insinuating they should have left rather staying to get made redundant. The kit man has gone to Rochdale.

If it was a shop there would be a sign up saying closed until further notice.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:35 pm

Live on air, @buryfcofficial owner Steve Dale, via @bbc5live, challenged me to name the prospective new owner I’ve been liaising with. I’m not interested in stunts, Steve. Sell the club. Here’s my email to Steve just now as I promised 5Live I’d send. #UTS

Local MP Jimmy Frith has called Dale out on Twitter. Think he is / or was a bury season ticket holder.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:03 pm

Over my head but might be an interesting read to who understand these things.
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 1411172352" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:09 pm

I don't understand it either - how can a two day old company suddenly be owed £7,000,000?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:49 pm

aggi wrote:Cheers. I was wondering why there was no mention of IPs in that statement above but I guess they're just glossing over them as Dale is the major creditor.

Looks to be a fairly small company doing the administration. Bit surprised I haven't heard of them as there's some crossover with some specialist areas I've worked in.

Any ideas who RCR Holdings are, they are the major creditor according to the CVA filing. They seem to have some link to Dale but they are owned by someone called Kris Richards. Google isn't throwing anything up on them.

"RCR Holdings is a company that was created on 16 July 2019 but managed to be owed £7m by Bury by 18 July 2019, when the CVA creditors meeting took place. RCR Holdings has £100 of shares as its invested capital."

Kieran Maguire tweet earlier, guess it is from the same link posted above.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Decision apparently this Thursday on whether to suspend the Rotherham game and then the cut off next week. As you say it can’t go on indefinitely.

Rotherham game now suspended.
(BBC NW news)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:48 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Rotherham game now suspended.
(BBC NW news)

Statement from the League

The EFL Board has taken the decision to suspend Bury FC’s upcoming League One fixture with Rotherham United on Tuesday 20 August 2019 as the outstanding evidence regarding a number of financial commitments has still not been provided by owner Steve Dale.

It is now the Club’s fourth game of the season not to take place as originally scheduled and they will be referred to a Disciplinary Commission in respect of all suspended League matches.

However, as previously stated the EFL maintains the view that League matches cannot continue being suspended indefinitely, as the pressures of a congested fixture calendar will simply not allow such flexibility and the deadline of 23 August for withdrawal of membership remains in place.

Bury are due to play Tranmere Rovers on 24 August 2019 and, because of the close proximity to the notice of withdrawal deadline, a decision on whether to suspend that fixture will take place in the early part of week commencing 19 August 2019.

In addition, Bury has also been served with a notice of charge in regard to its failure to fulfil the cup tie against Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday 13 August 2019.

The Club has been given until 5pm on Wednesday 21 August 2019 to respond. At this stage the management committee of the competition (the EFL Board) will determine the matter or refer it to a Disciplinary Commission under EFL Regulations.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:46 pm

Looking pretty bleak for them. AFC Bury in non- league obscurity looms and if that happens they will be the second club to go with their names (twice) on the FA Cup along with Notts County (once). Can't think of any others with such a history

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:49 pm

Is there not a town in need of a football team who could maybe save them like Milton Keynes did with Wimbledon. Wont be quite the same but will keep the club alive at least

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Is there not a town in need of a football team who could maybe save them like Milton Keynes did with Wimbledon. Wont be quite the same but will keep the club alive at least

It's a serious situation and a serious thread, which I've more than keeping up with, about a long established club potentially being lost and all you can come up with is total stupidity.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:01 pm

Dont get all high and mighty. The Bolton situation is also about a long established club potentially being lost and there's all sorts of comments on that thread you haven't shown any objection too.

Its a post on a messageboard so try and get over yourself

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:14 am

This is a decent read - though not especially re the mystery bidder

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... fans-fear/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:51 am

Devils Advocate is a novelty account. The clue is in the username. Treat it as a comedy account and you'll find it funny rather than enraging.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:48 am

ClaretTony wrote:It's a serious situation and a serious thread, which I've more than keeping up with, about a long established club potentially being lost and all you can come up with is total stupidity.

I don't think it was intended to be a scurrilous post.
It's not relevant now, but surely 2 or 3 seasons back Salford City buying out Bury might have been regarded as a serious option in these desperate times?

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:20 pm

Wow more lies from Dale, interesting listen on talk sport this morning. Player v owner have it out live on air!
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/11 ... 37824?s=08" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:27 pm

Also my Bury supporter pal asked me to add a link to a petition to try to remove the idiot trying to kill their club! if any fellow clarets would take the time to sign it would be much appreciated.
http://chng.it/dJBkJydc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;