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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:39 pm

I think that ultimately I feel quite strongly about this, but not really because I have any great affection for Bury, even though I do always have sympathy for other footy fans in strife and being sh*t on, but mostly because I'd hate to see a charlatan like Dale get away with it and make millions from basically and deliberately forcing a club to close.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Erasmus » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:44 pm

Clubs can survive in the lower divisions and remain full time with the income they already receive from gates, TV and commercial. It just means that full time players will be paid modest wages, not much more than in other professions. The problem is that you have clubs like Salford City financed by wealthy backers who, despite poor gates, will be in a much better position to pay high wages than the ordinary teams. It just requires sensible financial management and a refusal to pay more than income allows. And you can be successful operating in that way as we have demonstrated at Burnley over the past thirty years.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by mkmel » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:59 pm

What was our average attendance in 1986/7 season?

I would guess about the same as Bury last season

Edit. I just found it. 3257

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:15 pm

Really sad.

Do not want to see any clubs go to the wall.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:16 pm

its what happens unfortunately with spiv owners

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:32 pm

mkmel wrote:What was our average attendance in 1986/7 season?

I would guess about the same as Bury last season

Edit. I just found it. 3257
And boosted by the last two games, the last one in particular.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:36 pm

3 bids gone in for Bury according to Dale, he's passed the info onto the EFL

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:37 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:3 bids gone in for Bury according to Dale, he's passed the info onto the EFL
The EFL cut off time was 5 pm today wasn’t it?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Zom Zom » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The EFL cut off time was 5 pm today wasn’t it?
I've just read about very late interest too.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:42 pm

Zom Zom wrote:I've just read about very late interest too.
The league give someone extra time to complete a deal, it collapses around an hour before the deadline. How does that work with new interest?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretAL » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:46 pm

i think the publicity and media out cry on this will force the EFL to allow more time, otherwise they are the villain instead of Dale.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Zom Zom » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The league give someone extra time to complete a deal, it collapses around an hour before the deadline. How does that work with new interest?
No idea, but it's in black and white on the BBC website.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And boosted by the last two games, the last one in particular.
But Bury had a great season last year unlike ours in 86/7. Lincoln averaged over 9000 and MK over 8000.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:49 pm

Livesey on 5live said at least one bid was received before 5pm

Northwest tonight said one of the bidders went directly to the EFL
with proof of funds.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The EFL cut off time was 5 pm today wasn’t it?
Dale probably told them at 16:59:59. Just seems another ploy to elongate the process

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:50 pm

Going straight to the EFL seems a bit odd. How would they have any idea of the finances and if it was worth it?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by claretblue » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Well for a quid, I couldn't have been worse.
...but are you fit or proper CT? ;)

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:54 pm

Someone from Switzerland in for em. (BBC) :shock:
And a consortium led by the local MP.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:54 pm

We have reached the point of no return for the EFL. A decision has to be taken whether it is a sport or a business.
If it’s a sport the first essence of sport is a level playing field. Therefore squad sizes and a squad salary cap must be brought in.
If it’s a business they should have shares and pay divis, on any profit. The one man band megalomaniacs have to be booted. Also, if a business, failing clubs must go to the wall. They can always reconstitute and come again. There are plenty of clubs queuing to get in.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by BobSykes » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:57 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Going straight to the EFL seems a bit odd. How would they have any idea of the finances and if it was worth it?
I guess Sporting Risk satisfied the EFL on proof of funds. Then walked away having had the time to do the due diligence over the weekend.

So any 11th hour interest today could likewise prove funds. Then walk away tomorrow when they see the books.

So sad for Bury. I've lived there for nearly 10 years and have committed Shakers fans as friends and have been on the odd game. Always thought them a nice little club.

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Post by FCBurnley » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:57 pm

Would anybody on here pay a quid for Bury right now with the following restrictions. You cannot sell the ground in next 20 years. You have to guarantee to fund the club also for a minimum of 20 years. All debts must be paid. Any takers

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:05 pm

BobSykes wrote:I guess Sporting Risk satisfied the EFL on proof of funds. Then walked away having had the time to do the due diligence over the weekend.

So any 11th hour interest today could likewise prove funds. Then walk away tomorrow when they see the books.

So sad for Bury. I've lived there for nearly 10 years and have committed Shakers fans as friends and have been on the odd game. Always thought them a nice little club.
Suppose it’s then how long do they get?

Very sad for them I agree. Used to be a nice little club.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:07 pm

claretblue wrote:...but are you fit or proper CT? ;)
Absolutely not

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by mkmel » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:12 pm

FCBurnley wrote:But Bury had a great season last year unlike ours in 86/7. Lincoln averaged over 9000 and MK over 8000.
Milton Keynes has a population of about 250,000 and often do deals like kids for a quid so they are bound to get bigger attendances than Bury

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:50 pm

This is worse than waiting for Brexit.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:59 pm

No takers for a quid then haha

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by thelaughingclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:22 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Suppose it’s then how long do they get?
This is the exact point. The football league can’t keep giving out 4 day extension every time someone says they might be interested in buying the club.
They’ve had months to get this sorted. It’s time the league just put everyone out of their misery and just let them go as that would then give time for Bury fans to start an AFC Bury and apply to join a league before the start of next season. Like wise for Bolton. This can’t keep dragging on and on.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:24 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Would anybody on here pay a quid for Bury right now with the following restrictions. You cannot sell the ground in next 20 years. You have to guarantee to fund the club also for a minimum of 20 years. All debts must be paid. Any takers
Good point I agree, but begs the question as to why would Dale do it? (Answers on a postcard and no prizes)
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by bfcjg » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:28 pm

Why have these latest three bidders waited until now ?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:28 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Would anybody on here pay a quid for Bury right now with the following restrictions. You cannot sell the ground in next 20 years. You have to guarantee to fund the club also for a minimum of 20 years. All debts must be paid. Any takers
more chance of selling it for a quid than the 2.7 million numpty wants for it

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by thatdberight » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:34 pm

FFS - is this still going on? It's easier to get out of the EU than the EFL.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by thelaughingclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:36 pm

As others have said going to the EFL with proof of funds even before you know what the financial situation of the club is just before the deadline when you’ve had months to find the information out is rather odd.
It’s like me going to Asda 5 mins before it shuts to buy some cereal but going to Walmart to prove I can afford it, getting them to keep the shop open for me to go in, then going into Asda and deciding the cereal is too expensive anyway and going home. Of course it isn’t that simple, but seems odd.
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:48 pm

It this is your potential saviour - I think I would rather go and start a phoenix club

https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/1 ... 2004658176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:58 pm

Chester Perry wrote:It this is your potential saviour - I think I would rather go and start a phoenix club

https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/1 ... 2004658176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Saw his name linked earlier this evening. That really would be frying pan into a blazing fire.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:59 pm

He sounds like Bassini's alter ego!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Another total muppet who should clearly be nowhere near a football club!

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:02 pm

Debating it all now on "the debate" on sky sports

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by thatdberight » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:03 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:...the funicular situation of the club...
That would be Amazulu FC of Durban

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:13 pm

To me it seems very obvious that Dale has a plan A and a plan B.
Plan A: Buy the club for a quid, run it further down and then when it appears to be finally going under and all in the surrounding community are up in arms, flog it for 2 or 3 million to some well meaning people as they'll be desperate to keep it going.
Plan B: Buy the club for a quid, run it further down, pretend to be interested in offers to buy it, jerk everybody around whilst actually ensuring the club dies "despite your best efforts" :roll: and cheekily get the damn silly covenant revoked and flog it for millions to developers.
Dale holds all the cards and wins whatever. A very thick skinned con man and not at all a nice guy, but not stupid I'd suggest.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Saw his name linked earlier this evening. That really would be frying pan into a blazing fire.
thought I saw his name linked with Bolton over the weekend

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:21 pm

Who's the most stupid ?

The Muppets phoning the EFL pretending to buy the club or the EFL taking the calls 4 months after the event ?

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:24 pm

A great piece from FourFourTwo on the debacle - long though

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wh ... ppen-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:49 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:To me it seems very obvious that Dale has a plan A and a plan B.
Plan A: Buy the club for a quid, run it further down and then when it appears to be finally going under and all in the surrounding community are up in arms, flog it for 2 or 3 million to some well meaning people as they'll be desperate to keep it going.
Plan B: Buy the club for a quid, run it further down, pretend to be interested in offers to buy it, jerk everybody around whilst actually ensuring the club dies "despite your best efforts" :roll: and cheekily get the damn silly covenant revoked and flog it for millions to developers.
Dale holds all the cards and wins whatever. A very thick skinned con man and not at all a nice guy, but not stupid I'd suggest.
Who can overturn the covenant? The council or the courts? I wouldn’t want to be a Bury councilor that did that.

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Post by thatdberight » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:59 pm

Chester Perry wrote:A great piece from FourFourTwo on the debacle - long though

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wh ... ppen-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found that piece long on saying lots while saying nothing.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:05 pm

Bury have been expelled from the league

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:08 pm

official statement

The EFL Board met earlier this evening and, after a long and detailed discussion, determined that Bury FC’s membership of the English Football League be withdrawn after the deadline passed at 5pm today (Tuesday 27 August) without a successful resolution.

Despite repeated requests to its owner Mr Dale over a sustained period of time, the necessary evidence in respect of how the Club would meet its financial commitments, has simply not been provided and, as a result, attentions turned to securing new ownership at the Club.

At its meeting on 24 August 2019, the Board agreed a short extension to 5pm today (Tuesday 27 August) to enable Mr Dale and the Club to explore the possibility of a proposed sale with C&N Sporting Risk Limited, with Mr Dale having accepted their offer. Following due diligence, C&N Sporting Risk Limited opted not to pursue its interest.

Therefore, having fully considered all available options, including a number of late expressions of interest provided to the EFL, the EFL Board has unanimously determined with enormous regret that Bury’s membership be withdrawn.

The EFL Board had maintained that there could be no further suspensions to the fixture list and that these ongoing concerns and the integrity of the competition were a significant factor in the decision.

Recent events have highlighted how decisions taken at Bury FC over the last few seasons have caused the Club and individuals close to it significant financial distress and there are a number of matters which, in our view, will require further investigation.

League One will now comprise of 23 Clubs for the remainder of the campaign and relegation places in the division reduced to three, which will result in a full complement of 24 Clubs in 2020/21. A discussion will take place with EFL Clubs on the consequential impact in League Two when Clubs next meet in September 2019.

Debbie Jevans CBE, EFL Executive Chair, said: “Today is undoubtedly one of the darkest days in the League’s recent history. The EFL has worked determinedly and tirelessly to avoid this outcome and it is with a heavy heart that this situation has been forced upon us.

“The EFL has to place the integrity of our competitions at the heart of every decision we make, and we simply cannot allow this unacceptable situation to continue or countenance the prospect of postponing further fixtures.

“I understand this will be a deeply upsetting and devastating time for Bury’s players, staff, supporters and the wider community. There is no doubt today’s news will be felt across the entire football family.

“No one wanted to be in this position but following repeated missed deadlines, the suspension of five League fixtures, in addition to not receiving the evidence we required in regard to financial commitments and a possible takeover not materialising; the EFL Board has been forced to take the most difficult of decisions.”

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:12 pm

Devastating for their fans

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Devastating for their fans
for all true fans of football
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Devastating for their fans
lots of them wanted this to happen just to get rid of the owner, still, a very sad state of affairs

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Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:15 pm

I feel angry.
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:17 pm

Awful day for English football
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