Bury : No Wages

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:18 pm

it's disgusting, the EFL's **** poor rules allow Dale to take over then they boot them out of existence because he wasn't fit and proper after all.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Tuddybfc » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:20 pm

Can’t believe there’s Burnley fans trying to use Bury as an example of ‘the damage of overspedning’ when they’re in leagues 1/2 and we make multi millions per year in the premier league and are debt free. Anything to fit an agenda :roll:
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:21 pm

"The EFL has to place the integrity of our competitions at the heart of every decision we make, and we simply cannot allow this unacceptable situation to continue or countenance the prospect of postponing further fixtures"

Yet it was ok for Dale to take over the club having never met the criteria of the EFL Fit & Proper Persons test. Talk about hypocrisy!
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Goodclaret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:22 pm

Absolutely gutted for Bury fans, Can you imagine losing our club? Just unthinkable. So, so sad :-(

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by NL Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:40 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:lots of them wanted this to happen just to get rid of the owner, still, a very sad state of affairs
I live in Bury and haven't heard any fans or locals say this, perhaps the word on the streets of Vegas is different.

Sad day for the town, the community, local businesses, staff, fans, players, former players and football in general.

Did anyone want this?

Don't know how Bolton keep dodging the bullet.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by thatdberight » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:41 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Yet it was ok for Dale to take over the club having never met the criteria of the EFL Fit & Proper Persons test. Talk about hypocrisy!
Because there were lots of other better buyers about?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by jdrobbo » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:50 pm

Absolutely terrible. Nothing else to say.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:52 pm

NL Claret wrote:I live in Bury and haven't heard any fans or locals say this, perhaps the word on the streets of Vegas is different.

Sad day for the town, the community, local businesses, staff, fans, players, former players and football in general.

Did anyone want this?

Don't know how Bolton keep dodging the bullet.
I've heard plenty of interviews on Talksport with Bury fans and all those interviewed said that if they couldn't get Dale out of the club they would rather form a new club and start again, every single one of them

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by wembley94 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:52 pm

The most important thing.for Bury fans with hopefully the help from the council.will be to keep the ground
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by No Ney Never » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:56 pm

Maybe we should subsidise a free bus for the season with an offer to bring your scarf and shirt to our club shop and we'll swap it free of charge, or you could simply take a pen and add:
......NLE
BUR^^^Y

Genuinely gutted for the decent folk for whome their club means so much, as the saying goes: there but for the grace of God go I.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by tim_noone » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:00 am

wembley94 wrote:The most important thing.for Bury fans with hopefully the help from the council.will be to keep the ground
Councils are Better known for penalising people rather than Helping people...Did they Ever Help Burnley .....?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:08 am

I'm not sure I've ever seen us win at Gigg Lane.

My timing may seem inappropriate, but when was the last time we did taste victory there?

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Murger » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:11 am

I watched us in a cup game there under Cotterill. Can't remember the score though.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by wembley94 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:12 am

Stockport council paid two million for Edgeley park.and county pay 80 grand a year rent

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by NL Claret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:13 am

fidelcastro wrote:I'm not sure I've ever seen us win at Gigg Lane.

My timing may seem inappropriate, but when was the last time we did taste victory there?
Sherpa van trophy on the way to Wembley was 1.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by claretburns » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:13 am

fidelcastro wrote:I'm not sure I've ever seen us win at Gigg Lane.

My timing may seem inappropriate, but when was the last time we did taste victory there?
Apart from friendlies, last competitive win could be the 2-0 win in 1st round of League Cup 2008/09 season?
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by NL Claret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:14 am

Vegas Claret wrote:I've heard plenty of interviews on Talksport with Bury fans and all those interviewed said that if they couldn't get Dale out of the club they would rather form a new club and start again, every single one of them
I don't listen to that shite station. Not heard any bury fans on GMR say anything as such or in passing.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by If it be your will » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:17 am

fidelcastro wrote:I'm not sure I've ever seen us win at Gigg Lane.

My timing may seem inappropriate, but when was the last time we did taste victory there?
Sherpa Van Trophy (on the way to Wembley), 0-1, penalty. Windy as hell. I don't know if that was the last time, but it's the only one I remember.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:22 am

claretburns wrote:Apart from friendlies, last competitive win could be the 2-0 win in 1st round of League Cup 2008/09 season?
I think you're right. A couple of paterson goals, was it?

The year of the last league victory would be interesting to know.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:29 am

A sad, sad day for Association Football.

It's more than a game... I really feel for the Bury Faithful; I just couldn't fathom Burnley in this sort of state!

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by No Ney Never » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:37 am

fidelcastro wrote:I think you're right. A couple of paterson goals, was it?

The year of the last league victory would be interesting to know.
You'd know if it was a Patterson goal, played about as many games as Defour. When I come to think about it, maybe Defour is a re-incarnation. Brilliant when he got into his stride after a run of games, but just as he was hitting form.....bam!!! out injured for another spell. So frustrating knowing we had such talent, but saw so little of it. :roll:

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:25 am

NL Claret wrote:
Don't know how Bolton keep dodging the bullet.
They were able to fulfill some of their fixtures for starters, that delayed them being given 2 weeks notice by the League like Bury were given two weeks ago.

Now that Bolton have been given 2 weeks notice by the League of their intent to revoke Bolton's league membership there's going to be some serious running around over there to get a deal done I'd suspect.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:42 am

Tragedy. Gutter for their fans.

'There but for the grace of God...'

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Inchy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:37 am

Although this is very sad it isn’t the end for Bury, history has shown us this. Newport, Accy, Rochdale and Wimbledon have gone away and come back.

Dale may own a shell of a club but he doesn’t own their fans and it’s the fans that own the spirit of the club. The fans will reform the club and within 10 years they are likely to be back to the football league, and be taken on a hell of a ride in the process.

It’s sad but they will be back don’t worry

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:56 am

Will the players be able to to sign for another club?

I’m assuming not as would have been under contract (not that that was worth anything) at time window closed

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:09 am

The EFL were put into the most awful position of having to expel one of their members.
It's a position that should certainly never have occurred had the EFL done their due diligence.
Dale couldn't give a monkeys.
The EFL has egg on it's face & will be embarrassed.
Employees have lost their jobs.
The saddest part by far, is the hole left in the hearts of the faithful fans.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by bfcjg » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:18 am

Bury have been losing money on and off for decades. A chap who owned a card company was a benefactor for a number of years. I think during Stan's time here they put an appeal out for fans to sponsor seats I think Stan bought a row.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:20 am

Tuddybfc wrote:Can’t believe there’s Burnley fans trying to use Bury as an example of ‘the damage of overspedning’ when they’re in leagues 1/2 and we make multi millions per year in the premier league and are debt free. Anything to fit an agenda :roll:
You’re right.... Bury are a poor example. But Bolton are a prime example.
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 am

Incredibly sad and, I'm gutted for Bury.
As a lad, spending school hols at my grandma's in Rawtenstall, if Burnley and Rossendale were away, I'd get the bus and go watch Bury if they were at home. Remember once our game at Rochdale being called off so we went to Gigg Lane. Quite a few Clarets had the same idea that day.
More recently, I've watched my local club, Buxton play league games there during FC United of Manchester's tenancy.
Always had a soft spot for them.
Really believe it's a sad day for football in general, but the Bury faithful must be devastated.
How that low life chancer ever got control of a football club shameful.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:33 am

Bitterly disappointed for all at Bury especially the fans. They arent the first, and as other clubs and fans have shown, it is possible to come back from this, even if it's from the bottom of the pyramid. Compared to the teams they'd play against they'd have an advantage of ground and fan base, but it does require the fans getting together around someone with the club at heart.

The EFLs should be ashamed at their part. Their own fit and proper person rules are ignored by themselves. This is the price of their failings.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Tuddybfc » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:42 am

dandeclaret wrote:You’re right.... Bury are a poor example. But Bolton are a prime example.
Fair point. However there is an acceptable middle ground whereby we aren’t in net transfer profit (shockingly unambitious for a premier league club) but equally spend within our means and don’t jeopardise the club’s future. We aren’t in that middle ground in my opinion.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:43 am

Tuddybfc wrote:Can’t believe there’s Burnley fans trying to use Bury as an example of ‘the damage of overspedning’ when they’re in leagues 1/2 and we make multi millions per year in the premier league and are debt free. Anything to fit an agenda :roll:
Bury aren't an overspend example, as someone above has pointed out. Bolton are.
Bury were on the peripheries of the feeding frenzy going on at the top table of football now.
But it is still very much greed related, in that a maggot was allowed to take control of a club in the hope of getting something for nothing.
As it goes it's cost a community it's football club.
Really though, it's the EFL who should be looking at itself in shame for ever allowing such a thing to happen in the first place.
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:48 am

Tuddybfc wrote:Fair point. However there is an acceptable middle ground whereby we aren’t in net transfer profit (shockingly unambitious for a premier league club) but equally spend within our means and don’t jeopardise the club’s future. We aren’t in that middle ground in my opinion.
So what is a middle ground situation, given due planning for the risk of relegation and dramatically reduced income?

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Post by Paul Waine » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:52 am

I was just waking up. Listened to an interview on R4, about 7:15, with Rory Campbell and other owner of C&N Sporting Risk. BBC "your family is famous for supporting Bury... how are they now feeling....." Rory Campbell replied "father and family watch over 50% of Burnley's games....." BBC interviewer realised her mistake and apologised.

Perhaps we are closer to Bury than we realise....

BBC, well it begins with B and it's somewhere "up North."

Tough on the Bury fans. Do what Accrington have done and rebuild your own club.

And, Sporting Risk had some sensible comments about how EFL should change their "financial sustainability rules" - simply "don't spend what you haven't got".... base your contractual commitments on the predictable revenue, rather than on one-off transfer windfalls and the owner converting debt to equity.

It could be called the "Bury rule" - though that name obviously has a double meaning. Maybe the "Lancashire rule..."

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:03 am

dandeclaret wrote:So what is a middle ground situation, given due planning for the risk of relegation and dramatically reduced income?
Bolton's problem was their owner Davies kept lending the club money and piling up the debt.
Nobody batted an eyelid thinking he or his family would get bored and want any of it back. 330m in the end was it?

But Bolton still have a chance because they built a hotel that makes money while there's a football club there.

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Post by claretblue » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:05 am

Bury FC's plight explained:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/bu ... t-survival" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by claretblue » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:17 am

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:20 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Bolton's problem was their owner Davies kept lending the club money and piling up the debt.
Nobody batted an eyelid thinking he or his family would get bored and want any of it back. 330m in the end was it?

But Bolton still have a chance because they built a hotel that makes money while there's a football club there.
So if you’re not making net transfer profit and putting money away for when the income dramatically drops, how do you do it without the owner pumping in more and more money? I’d say that reading between the lines Bolton are gone today.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:51 am

There was an old bloke interviewed this week outside Gigg Lane. He’s 78 and had been watching Bury for over 70 years. He turned up every day at the ground to see if there was any news.

When the staff thought things were in place they got the match programme prepared for this Saturday’s game. It won’t be produced now but they are having one copy done for this man.
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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:57 am

dandeclaret wrote:So if you’re not making net transfer profit and putting money away for when the income dramatically drops, how do you do it without the owner pumping in more and more money? I’d say that reading between the lines Bolton are gone today.
I'm not against owners putting money in, I'm against them loaning the club money and in some instances taking interest off it.

It's hard enough to break even in football without being saddled with debt.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Blackrod » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:05 am

The historically strong league structure we have always had is starting to implode due to the greed of the few. Of course the fit and proper test on prospective owners is extremely weak and not all clubs are treated the same it seems. Costs are spiralling out of control though throughout the league driven by the top clubs. It doesn’t affect them as they have benefactors but it filters down the league.

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Post by Down_Rover » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:10 am

Really sad that the BBC website leads with a potential loan for Sanchez and Bury’s plight is lower down the page
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Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:14 am

It seems as though the Accy chairman was in the know

https://mobile.twitter.com/andyhholt/st ... 3503538179" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by walter the softy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:42 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:It seems as though the Accy chairman was in the know

https://mobile.twitter.com/andyhholt/st ... 3503538179" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just read that tweet. Completely nailed it. The Stanley chairman is basically saying what must be totally obvious even to the layman but it seems to me that the higher echelons and everyone else on the gravy train do not give a flying one. Staggering neglect and incompetence in this case and countless others.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by houseboy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:50 am

ClaretTony wrote:The Peel Park pitch is still used. Think it might be for schools.
The old pitch is indeed part of Peel Park school mate - two of my grand kids go there.
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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:51 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:It seems as though the Accy chairman was in the know

https://mobile.twitter.com/andyhholt/st ... 3503538179" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
he had worked closely with Rory Campbell and their bid for Bury - opened up his accounts for them to get a working sustainable model - very few who were not affiliated in some way did more to try and save the club

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:37 am

The FA have just confirmed that Bury have now been removed from this season's FA Cup.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by NL Claret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:41 am

There's an air of gloom around the town today. GMR were reporting it as like a bereavement.

Think it was Newman who said Gigg Lane was the problem due to charges placed against it and leases which probably goes back to Stewart Day's reign.

Jamie Hoyland was very fuming , he played 100 games for the club and did live in Ramsbottom for some time.

I don't care who you support, this is disastrous for the town, their fans and football in general. With the disgraceful deadline countdown on sky and var my love affair with football is slowly diminishing.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:48 am

I hope thorough changes are made to the EFL 'fit and proper person' test. In its current state it's not fit for purpose. It's utterly deplorable what's gone on.

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Re: Bury : No Wages

Post by KRBFC » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:53 am

NL Claret wrote:
I don't care who you support, this is disastrous for the town, their fans and football in general. With the disgraceful deadline countdown on sky and var my love affair with football is slowly diminishing.
Agree, the Sky sports news countdown timer was disgusting, imagine counting down until Bury’s deadline was up, so distasteful and shows what a mess football has become. If you’re not one of the “big 6” Sky don’t give a toss. I was watching the Debate programme before the season on Sky and they did Premier league predictions, strangely there was no prediction of who would be relegated, they only predicted the top 6 and top goal scorer almost like the other 14 teams don’t exist.

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