Bury : No Wages

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:59 pm

There's a real sadness to all this as there would be with any other club and perhaps it is because Bury, and Bolton for that matter, are so close to us geographically that we take more of an interest.

From what I can see, there is no good reason why Bury should be allowed to remain in the league and I'm amazed Bolton are being allowed to play tomorrow to be honest, but I keep thinking how their fans must be feeling. We were close to going under in the mid-80s when Teasdale all but did a disappearing act during the summer after collecting money from supporters buying shares. We were so close to going under then and that was the year before the Orient game.

Having read the latest league statement, I'm wondering what the Bury owner will throw at them next. He and his predecessor are to blame for all this.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:00 pm

Buried

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:34 pm

Steve Dale has bee quick to respond this time

The Chairman has issued the following statement after the Accrington Stanley game was postponed by the EFL:

BURY FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE BEEN TONIGHT DEALT A GRAVE INJUSTICE.
I today have seen the biggest injustice I have ever seen from this alleged body there to help clubs “the EFL.”

Again after submitting all that was asked from the EFL from our Lawyer, we got a call late tonight saying they are postponing our fixture with Accrington Stanley.

Grounds given to our Lawyer from Nick Craig “we want to substantiate some figures that may or may not be correct” we requested what these were as we could answer them there and then, the reply “we will get them to you as soon as we can but we are all at matches this weekend” and so would Bury fans if the EFL played with a straight bat.

Why did they not wait till Monday to again postpone our fixture if something was missing, we have the weekend to get any information to them, but no once again they prove they are clearly “The Destroyer of Clubs” where malice and vindictive actions take precedence over the whole premise of the EFL TO HELP CLUBS.

Let me list below the requirements sent from there Solicitor which we had to comply with, facts in bold, I do this to prevent ambiguity.
1.) Confirmation and evidence that all outstanding sums due to players will (or have been) paid in full to the satisfaction of the EFL and the PFA; THE PFA CONFIRMED TO THE EFL THAT THIS HAD BEEN AGREED TO THE SATISFACTION OF BOTH PARTIES.

2.) Receipt of written evidence of a bank account with £1.5m in it or a guaranteed line of credit for this amount freely available to the Club (and not any third party) which will allow the Club to operate in the 2019/2020 season; A LETTER OF CREDIT WAS GIVEN TODAY FOR £1.65M.

3.) A certificate/email confirming that the SAG has approved that the Stadium is fit for purpose and that all the necessary plans are in place for the 2019/2020 season; THEY WERE DONE BEFORE THEIR LAST STATEMENT.

ALL THE ABOVE I CAN PROVE AND BACK UP 100%.
I could've gone into the ill truths last time, that tried to discredit me and can disprove any allegations about me, but this beats them all, the deal was struck with our Lawyer and we were just waiting for them to say all is good so we can sign our players who 100% want to play for Bury and have waited patiently, the EFL are aware these players will have to sign elsewhere and seem to be dragging this out till we lose them as nobody expected us to save Bury never mind get players signing of the calibre we have so clearly there is an agenda here, I was told tonight by Debbie Jevans when I said just let us sign our team please before we lose them, the reply “you can play with your youth”, I REST MY CASE.

Regards,
Steven D Dale

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:43 pm

Bloody hell - if he's telling any truth then the league are in a serious mess, if not then the league should be suing him.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:51 pm

If he is right then it appears that they really want someone to go belly up to put the frighteners on the rest - just not Bolton - Or they could just be peeved that he used their own rules to bypass them when he first took over

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:53 pm

Can we not buy Bury out n make them a feeder club for us? Would be a shame to see them fold. £5m would do it to keep the conveyor going to turf moor in the future..

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:57 pm

League rules prevent significant shareholdings in more than one club also the loans that are secured against the club and it's assets are horrendous one was of the payday lender type - interest at over 130% per annum

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:58 pm

Chester Perry wrote:If he is right then it appears that they really want someone to go belly up to put the frighteners on the rest - just not Bolton - Or they could just be peeved that he used their own rules to bypass them when he first took over

Whichever it is, things can't be allowed to continue like this. I'm surprised the FA haven't stepped into this by now. They can't both be telling the truth.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:11 am

Dale is the liar Tony, I work with a Bury fan n he told me he is a asset stripper, he had 45 company's n 42 of them went bust! He got NO interest in football n only bought bury for £1 with all the debt included. His son had a confrontation with Bury fans when they went to protest outside his house in Cheshire that he rents off Kieran Richardson, he told me he came out n they said we want to speak to your dad n his reply was he"s got nothing to say to you, n then laughed n said we have got your club and we want it to die! All he wants is to sell the club to the highest bidder as he wants the land for house developers. He is putting statements out that make out it's the efl, but in reality it is him that is doing everything in his power to KILL Bury fc n see it die!

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:Whichever it is, things can't be allowed to continue like this. I'm surprised the FA haven't stepped into this by now. They can't both be telling the truth.

Something doesn't stack up here and I tend to agree with Chester Perry that the League are looking for a scapegoat.

Debbie Jevans, in recent SSN interviews, fails to come across with any real conviction and yet I'm equally uncertain about Dale. This will not end well.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:17 am

In around two to three years, there'll be houses on Gigg Lane.
God knows, I hope I'm wrong, but can anyone deny this is the way it's going?

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:21 am

That's what he wants electro! If he gets £3m then hes happy..

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:57 am

Chester Perry wrote: I was told tonight by Debbie Jevans when I said just let us sign our team please before we lose them, the reply “you can play with your youth”

A rather unfortunate suggestion that brings an entirely new dimension to the case! Can he sue her for libel?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:34 am

I think from the CVA arrangement it said there was a covenant on the ground which says it has to be a sports ground.

Dale set up 2 companies , one for the ground and another one for the "heritage".

If he were to sell the club then I guess he could charge stupid rent for the ground.

Going off what I've read about the situation and comments by Bury fans, they don't trust a single word that Dale says. Only a few weeks back he was saying the old girl was safe.........now 2 games postponed.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote: 2.) Receipt of written evidence of a bank account with £1.5m in it or a guaranteed line of credit for this amount freely available to the Club (and not any third party) which will allow the Club to operate in the 2019/2020 season; A LETTER OF CREDIT WAS GIVEN TODAY FOR £1.65M.

A "letter of credit" is not the same as a "line of credit... freely available to the Club...."

I hope the EFL and FA lawyers are looking closely at what the letter of credit says and what actions are required to draw on the LoC.

The EFL (or whatever they were called back then) were very naive with ITV Digital arrangements - and the absence of an enforceable guarantee that ITV's commitment to meet their TV broadcast promises cost a lot of clubs and players at that time.

First question I'd be asking is which bank has issued the letter of credit and is that bank "good for the money?" Second question, who is the beneficiary of the LoC and what conditions do they need to satisfy to require the bank to pay the money.

Now if the Bury owner can say who the bank is, maybe even publish a copy of the LoC, we might have a better insight into his intentions.

Again, it is a reminder how lucky Burnley are to be owned by Mike Garlick and John B - and, of course, Barry Kilby before them.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:31 pm

https://twitter.com/i/status/1157667439141949442" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:51 pm

@AndyhHolt owner of Accy gets it in one

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 8252422144" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

especially like his comments on getting a "bye" which has greatly upset the Bolton fans but is true - would be interested to see the betting patterns on that Wycombe game

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:12 am

A bit of a positive for Bury. After the first fixtures, they’re above Bolton, and have a game in hand!

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:40 am

Probably Bolton deducted points for Brentford game not being played and Bury 2x Points deductions for not playing first 2 games.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:06 am

Latest from the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49234433" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

this is what it is doing to the fans

https://twitter.com/jamesisaburyfan/sta ... 4167020545" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

meanwhile the ether is full of talk of how to stop such shenanigans from being repeated for other unfortunates - as usual @AndyhHolt is not short of ideas about what to look for when nipping issues in the bud

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 5394888704" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

or what the EFL needs to do

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 2601499648" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:11 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:A bit of a positive for Bury. After the first fixtures, they’re above Bolton, and have a game in hand!

Spotted that, both still in the relegation zone though

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:20 am

Dale is clearly a very, very dodgy character and is spinning everything to try to make out he's the good guy in all this when quite obviously he isn't. In fairness to the EFL I honestly think they have bent over backwards (and still are) to try to ensure both Bolton and Bury pull through as it's not in their interests either to see a club go bust, but in Bolton's case they're getting a little bit of help and cooperation from the owners, but in Bury's case all they're getting is deliberate obstruction from a clown/imbecile who doesn't have any genuine interest in football.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:28 pm

I know he likes to trumpet himself and the source is clickbait nirvana - yet Simon Jordan has a couple of solid points here

https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/11 ... 3193235456" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the board of EFL are unfit for purpose and have been for a long time
the EFL should put it in the public domain exactly what they want Bury to do

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:20 pm

With Accrington v Bury postponed this weekend, Accrington will be staging a game with music and live events afterwards with all proceeds raised being donated to Bury.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:22 pm

claretburns wrote:With Accrington v Bury postponed this weekend, Accrington will be staging a game with music and live events afterwards with all proceeds raised being donated to Bury.

Nice gesture if true, but all that'll do is go straight into Mr Dale's pocket and get spent on himself.

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm

How he bought the ground is an interesting story, as well, and for how much...

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm

David Jones is doing the half time draw. That bastards getting everywhere at minute

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:36 pm

PS i think there was a David Conn piece in The Guardian about the whole sad affair on Saturday? A mate of mine was involved in it, and may even have been quoted. All very sad, really...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 am

I've just read this article and watched the video within it
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/bury-fc-a-c ... ink-238158" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was these words that really brought it all into perspective for supporters: ""I wouldn’t think of supporting anyone else and I don’t know what I’d do if we went. I couldn't just start going to United or City. You can't replace your team. Football doesn't work like that."

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:27 pm

League cup game against Sheff Weds next week "suspended"

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:32 pm

They have been given until August 23rd to sort their **** out or their EFL membership will be revoked

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:41 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:They have been given until August 23rd to sort their **** out or their EFL membership will be revoked

Just seen that - somehow I can't see them satisfying the league because the owner is hell bent on attacking the league rather than working with them.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Just seen that - somehow I can't see them satisfying the league because the owner is hell bent on attacking the league rather than working with them.

yeah he does seem a bit of a tool unfortunately. Sad times for Bury

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:50 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:yeah he does seem a bit of a tool unfortunately. Sad times for Bury

I don't know how I'd describe him but he's turned a mess at Bury into something far, far worse. Something really has to be done about football club ownership.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't know how I'd describe him but he's turned a mess at Bury into something far, far worse. Something really has to be done about football club ownership.

Any suggestions ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:59 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Any suggestions ?

Not on this board I'm afraid, the words aren't permitted.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't know how I'd describe him but he's turned a mess at Bury into something far, far worse. Something really has to be done about football club ownership.

Need better people in at the EFL for starters

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:40 pm

Desperate now for them and this is their Heroes video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zeX-7C3Slk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:52 pm

Why cant man utd give them the £8m they need? Seen as they like giving money away, like the £500k a week to Sanchez n the £80m wasted on Maguire! They should save their small local club in their hour of need..

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:54 pm

Amazing number of ex Clarets on there ...Dobson, Ternent, Casper, Hoyland, White, Robinson, Nugent etc, etc

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:10 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Amazing number of ex Clarets on there ...Dobson, Ternent, Casper, Hoyland, White, Robinson, Nugent etc, etc

Like a who's who of Burnley at times

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:10 pm

That Dale is an optimistic sort

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49299794" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/augu ... ball-club/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:22 pm

Chester Perry wrote:That Dale is an optimistic sort

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49299794" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/augu ... ball-club/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or deluded?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:33 pm

Andy Holt has gotten all fired up after yesterday's fund raiser for Bury

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 2076205056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:19 pm

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/augu ... -fc-staff/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:23 pm

We can confirm that today we have received an offer for the sale of Bury Football Club, one that we all at the Club believe is a very good offer.

This offer has been conveyed to Steve Dale and we are still waiting to hear from him.

This offer is the only lifeline for the future of the Club and we implore Steve Dale to accept it, as it has the full backing of all of the senior staff at Bury FC.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:30 pm

You would think with Bury being surrounded by the wealthiest clubs, in the world, that a whip round for a few quid would have solved the issue.

The elite need the rest of football to be alive and well.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:31 pm

Who runs the club website ? One day it's running rambling statements from the Chairman...today club " staff " seem to have commandeered it and are using it to convey messages to him. All very strange...

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:46 pm

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/ef ... t-bury-fc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:46 pm

The EFL Board has handed Bury FC owner Steve Dale a 9am deadline on Tuesday 13 August 2019 to provide the outstanding evidence it has previously requested or this weekend’s home fixture against Gillingham will be suspended.

Despite further exchanges of correspondence and a meeting earlier today, Mr Dale has still not provided the required clarity on how he plans to meet the Club’s commitments to football creditors, payment to unsecured creditors as part of the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA), alongside source and sufficiency of funding for season 2019/20.

Bury has already been issued with a notice of withdrawal of membership by the EFL and has until 23 August 2019 to meet all outstanding requirements of the League’s insolvency policy or its membership of the EFL will be withdrawn.

EFL Executive Chair, Debbie Jevans CBE, said: “We remain disappointed that we are still not in a position to reach a successful conclusion with Mr Dale but will continue to work diligently in an effort to receive the information we require.

“The real threat of Bury’s EFL membership being withdrawn still exists, a situation nobody - including this Board - wants to see and I sincerely hope we can find a way through these challenging circumstances for the benefit of all those who have an association with the Club.”