British paratroopers using Corbyn pic as target practice

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:48 pm

Pearcey wrote:What has age got to do with knowledge of politics? I expect there are quite a number of MPs that are younger than you.

At the moment I'm not sure whether being an MP has much to do with knowledge of politics either.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:48 pm

Falcon wrote:Strange how all the armed forces and government spokespeople are saying how this is unacceptable

I know, how strange for spokespeople to say something is unacceptable, which it clearly is - just not worth a massive storm over, when something is blowing up negatively. It's almost like PR...

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:49 pm

Falcon wrote:Strange how all the armed forces and government spokespeople are saying how this is unacceptable, but the resident right-wing arseholes on here are queuing up to defend it. Almost as if they think it's ok just because it's someone they disagree with.

FWIW I think the paras been very silly and need a slap on the wrist, and a reminder they're supposed to be apolitical, no more.

I’m not saying it wasn’t the wrong thing to do but I do think it’s being blown out of all proportion. No one has been harmed have they. In fact, the soldiers that have come to harm have always been sent there by politicians. It’s a choice to serve obviously, but military and politicians do not mix.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:55 pm

Falcon wrote:Strange how all the armed forces and government spokespeople are saying how this is unacceptable, but the resident right-wing arseholes on here are queuing up to defend it. Almost as if they think it's ok just because it's someone they disagree with.

FWIW I think the paras been very silly and need a slap on the wrist, and a reminder they're supposed to be apolitical, no more.

Yet had the photos been of say Farage or Trump the left wingers (be them arseholes or not) would be giggling away claiming it is harmless

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:57 pm

Stupid behaviour. While I don't think these soldiers are a threat to Corbyn and I'm sure it was just their idea of a laugh, they should be cashiered immediately. Just not on.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:57 pm

My m8 used his old Owen Coyle mask as a dartboard for quite a while...

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:58 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Yet had the photos been of say Farage or Trump the left wingers (be them arseholes or not) would be giggling away claiming it is harmless

Some of them would (and I'd say they were arseholes). Most decent people would see it as equally unacceptable as aiming at Corbyn

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:06 pm

You can buy a Donald Trump dartboard. Would it be wrong to own one?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:13 pm

I suspect if you look really closely into the history of the army, there will be many life size pictures of many different real people that have been used for target practice. The muppet that put it on t'internet wants a rocket up his backside for being a muppet, and they all want reminding not to make political gestures (even jokey ones) while on duty.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:22 pm

"Owen Jones"

would be on my list

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:31 pm

The morons have to shoot at something. Were there no unarmed Irish folk about ?

thomaspaine · Post by **thomaspaine** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:38 pm

Shouldnt give the oxygen of publicity to these half-wits - it does seem somewhat orchestrated.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:41 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:The morons have to shoot at something. Were there no unarmed Irish folk about ?

I was just thinking that was a good cast. Then I remembered you’re not a fan of the armed forces are you. Each to their own eh.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:54 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:The morons have to shoot at something. Were there no unarmed Irish folk about ?

Well said Eddie..'Ballymurphy' investigation still under way.

I have not read the thread just seen this story on the news.

Disgusting behaviour by 'Our Boys'.

Irrelevant if you don't like Corbyn, he could be Prime Minister in a few weeks, and therefore Top Boss for the armed forces...who in this incident are showing their utter contempt for him.

Anyway it don't matter what I think - the MoD are on it, just seen some top bod interviewed on Sky News and some of these people gonna get their ar$e kicked.

Quite right too.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:04 pm

Falcon wrote:Strange how all the armed forces and government spokespeople are saying how this is unacceptable, but the resident right-wing arseholes on here are queuing up to defend it. Almost as if they think it's ok just because it's someone they disagree with.

FWIW I think the paras been very silly and need a slap on the wrist, and a reminder they're supposed to be apolitical, no more.

wasting your time mate, you'll be called a sandal wearer by the terminally outraged of the right on here.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm

No nukes for our nuclear subs yah... Kinnell and now Yvette Cooper seeking a political coup to end democracy and cede all sovereignty to the EU. If there's a military coup and they all get shot as traitors I won't care.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:wasting your time mate, you'll be called a sandal wearer by the terminally outraged of the right on here.

There's an irony to you calling anybody 'terminally outraged'

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:17 pm

deanothedino wrote:There's an irony to you calling anybody 'terminally outraged'

There isn't though.

Do you disagree with my first post on the subject?

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:18 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote: Irrelevant if you don't like Corbyn, he could be Prime Minister in a few weeks, and therefore Top Boss for the armed forces...who in this incident are showing their utter contempt for him.

He wouldn't be though, that would still be Queenie.

In fact, the PM has less military power these days as since 2003 it has become convention that the House of Commons have to approve any military action that isn't an immediate defence of national security, hence why we had the Syria embarrassment under Call me Dave.

Dike Muff · Post by **Dike Muff** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:23 pm

Pstotto wrote:No nukes for our nuclear subs yah... Kinnell and now Yvette Cooper seeking a political coup to end democracy and cede all sovereignty to the EU. If there's a military coup and they all get shot as traitors I won't care.

You won’t care because you’re absolutely and totally away with the fairies.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:27 pm

Ne ne ne ne ne... Sounds like you're a bit crabby today cos you've got thrush.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:27 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:Why is Corbyn a dick?
He seems like your run of the mill Democratic Socialist to me!........He's trying to level the playing field for the average Joe.
Compared to the Tories, he's a Saint.

Sorry mate, not a fan.

But you are right, dick is too strong. He's just not very good.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 pm

Bincorbincorbincorbin.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:39 pm

Pearcey wrote:I was just thinking that was a good cast. Then I remembered you’re not a fan of the armed forces are you. Each to their own eh.

I couldn't care less about the armed forces. I do object to the American style bullshitting of the so-called heroism of Our Boys and Girls and their proud families.
They are doing a job.They knew what they signed up for just like nurses, the police and teachers, for example, and are no different to them.
None of these professions should show a political bias one way or another.
Each to their own, indeed.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:42 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:There isn't though.

Do you disagree with my first post on the subject?

There is because I've seen you terminally outraged on almost every non-football thread on here.

And I did, yes. I quoted highlighting why it was wrong - just didn't disagree with the bits about Corbyn and using a picture as target practice.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:44 pm

Wow Eddie I can’t work out if that is a Joke/ fishing or a meant comment i am appalled. I can’t work out if you are calling all members of the Army murderers or just Paras either way it is disgusting uncalled for totally uneducated and unneeded on this thread. I could go to town Long Time Lurker style but won’t do so this can stay on track.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:55 pm

Read it again. Which bit can't you understand ? The Armed Forces do a great job for which they get paid and a job, one assumes, they signed up for.
There are many other professions too with members who, similarly, do a great job and receive numeration.
Where does it say I claimed all members of the Army or Paras are murderers ? Are you ill ?

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:01 pm

I was replying to comment 111 not the other and as you say everyone to there own.

Edit It is clear what you are referring too whether you meant it like that or not it could be an overreaction on my part but the inference is there for all to see. Anyway as I said don’t want to distract from the thread so will leave it there.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:03 pm

I honestly couldn't care less what they did, because in a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten. However, I do think I can see what they were aiming at.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:05 pm

Looks to me as though as many bubble brains frequent our armed forces as they do on here.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:07 pm

It's "their" but, yes, I take your point.
It's a fact, isn't it, that a group of paratroopers or an individual paratrooper opened fire on 28 unarmed British civilians. Even the Army doesn't dispute this so I'm a little surprised you're not aware of the incident....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:10 pm

deanothedino wrote:There is because I've seen you terminally outraged on almost every non-football thread on here.

And I did, yes. I quoted highlighting why it was wrong - just didn't disagree with the bits about Corbyn and using a picture as target practice.

First bit is 100% in your head.

No offence and all that , but if you think I'm "outraged", then you must think the likes of Ringo and Smudge as "absolutely ******* apoplectic"

2nd bit I'm basically they should be told off, and no more than that. Which isn't sandal wearing, its common sense.

Top tip mate, play the actual thread, not the person posting on it.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:11 pm

Edit MY Last comment they opened fire and hit innocent Civilians yes of that there is no doubt. whether they actually opened fire deliberately on innocent Civilians is totally different and will wait for the outcome of the Court case with Soldier F before judging that as I wasn’t there and I suspect neither was you.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:18 pm

To be fair with the amount of traitors we have in parliament I'm surprised it's not a big group photo of current MPs..

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:21 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Looks like some kind of soft plastic/wax? mini pellets they’re using .Anyone would think they’re smashing semi automatic clips into it . Imagine the joy and hilarity from the Guardian etc if the target had been say Farage or JRM. It’s an absolute non story but funny nonetheless at the seething rage that the left exude for such nonsense

This ^

The same people feigning outrage on here would be grinning like Cheshire cats if pictures of the above were being shot at by these lads.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:21 pm

Does anyone care, personally I would have put a picture of Donald Trump as target practice.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Does anyone care, personally I would have put a picture of Donald Trump as target practice.

Or him as well.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:The morons have to shoot at something. Were there no unarmed Irish folk about ?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:24 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:The morons have to shoot at something. Were there no unarmed Irish folk about ?

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Looks to me as though as many bubble brains frequent our armed forces as they do on here.

If sh!t and fan ever do meet, people like you will be begging "bubble brains" and "Morons" like that to protect you.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:28 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:If sh!t and fan ever do meet, people like you will be begging "bubble brains" like that to protect you.

It was funny though.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:32 pm

Damo wrote:I'll have you know, many of the outraged people on here are season veterans, over multiple keyboard campaigns. And wouldn't blink in the face of an enemy, armed with a funny quip about Jeremy Corbyn.
Just because they have never been in physical combat, doesn't mean they have no right to be offended

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:53 pm

If sh!t and fan ever do meet, people like you will be begging "bubble brains" like that to protect you.

This kerfuffle about nothing reminds me of Kipling's spot-on poem "Tommy" (written 1890) which highlights how soldiers are often shunned/looked down on in peace time but when the bullets fly they're heroes.

Verses 7 and 8 out of 10..........

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an ``Tommy, fall be'ind,''
But it's ``Please to walk in front, sir,'' when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's ``Please to walk in front, sir,'' when there's trouble in the wind.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:13 pm

SHOCK - Soldiers shoot at pieces of paper

JC would let them have weapons but would ban them from firing them under any circumstances.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:17 pm

The state of Israel likes this

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:20 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:The state of Israel likes this

I'll wait for my friend BlueLab to come in here and give his opinion before I decide what Isreal will make of all this.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:24 pm

We like a bit of BlueLab.

His message is a good one, but his delivery is awful.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:04 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:We like a bit of BlueLab.

His message is a good one, but his delivery is awful.

Thats the bit I don't get. I mean, why make stuff up about Israel being a bunch of ***** when there is plenty of real evidence that they are a bunch of *****?

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:First bit is 100% in your head.

No offence and all that , but if you think I'm "outraged", then you must think the likes of Ringo and Smudge as "absolutely ******* apoplectic"

2nd bit I'm basically they should be told off, and no more than that. Which isn't sandal wearing, its common sense.

Top tip mate, play the actual thread, not the person posting on it.

If you say so.

2nd bit? You still implied they’d work for JC if he was PM and they still wouldn’t. They’d still work for the Queen.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:15 pm

My brother served for ten years until 2006, and told me that when they prepared to deploy to (invade) Iraq, about a third of them believed Britain was right to invade, a third had no opinion, and the last third thought Britain was in the wrong (though they were agreed in looking forward to testing the years of training). So I don’t think soldier era are all uniformly one way or another politically, but probably mirror the electorate to a large degree. Serving personnel would have to be quite masochistic to vote Tory though. All the cuts, and the disgraceful way ex-soldiers are treated - disproportionately homeless. A Labour government won’t be as heartless in this respect.

As for Corbyn nwhat is he wrong about when it comes to our armed forces? He opposed the Iraq War and intervention in Libya - both interventions having made things much much worse. His policy toward the United States is entirely pragmatic. Hansard is there for you to search through. Or google his own words (anything saying “sources close to the Labour leader say...” or articles that claim to know what he believes, or don’t quote him direcly and in context are likely just stinky piles).

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:16 pm

deanothedino wrote:If you say so.

2nd bit? You still implied they’d work for JC if he was PM and they still wouldn’t. They’d still work for the Queen.

Yes, but its 2019, not 1767.

Unless I'm misreading a lot here, there is no danger of the Queen and the Government ever falling out so its not that much of a stretch to say that if JC becomes PM, then they will work for him.