Who should leave in the Summer ?

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Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:17 pm

For me its the following

Crouch
Brady ?
Defour
Walters ret
Hart
Wells
Lindegaard or Legzdins
Lennon
Mitchell
ONeill

I imagine that would free up plenty of salary space. Brady decision would depend if he can get back to 100% fitness.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:20 pm

Hopefully all of the Dyche Out brigade.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by claretdj » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:32 pm

Add Vydra to the list..

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by fanzone » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:37 pm

Lowton
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Vydra
Wells
Gudmonnsson
Hart
Lingards
Ledzkins
Ward

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by taio » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:49 pm

fanzone wrote:Lowton
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Vydra
Wells
Gudmonnsson
Hart
Lingards
Ledzkins
Ward
A tad excessive don't you think - why would the club even consider selling three wingers?

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:50 pm

The lad who sold me a pie in the JHU last week. I asked for a steak pie and got meat n tater instead !
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:53 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:The lad who sold me a pie in the JHU last week. I asked for a steak pie and got meat n tater instead !
Bit harsh, he hasn't been the same since coming back from his ruptured Achilles.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by The Enclosure » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:54 pm

April fools was last week.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:22 pm

Ward
Hart
Wells
Crouch
Long
Vydra or Lennon
And as much as I’d love him to turn his fitness problems around and play a full season Defour.

Can’t see why anyone would want JBG to go.
Brady needs to prove his fitness and also cut out the ridiculous decisions he has been making

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Spike » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:21 pm

Lowton is worth keeping unless we get a much better option. Of those mentioned only Tripps meets that role.

JBG is worth keeping , hopefully he can stay fitter

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:17 am

We need to get the right balance.

We need to lower the age of the squad, get rid of the deadwood and improve on the eleven.

At the same time we need to be cautious of getting rid of too many too soon. (That's why this seasons failings are still an issue if we stay up. Because it means we need to hold on to too many players this summer too).

I would keep:

At least one but probably two of Heaton, Pope and Hart
Would keep one of Lowton and Bardsley - depends what we want at right back. Young up and comer or immediate first teamer. If its the former keep Lowton if its the latter Bardsley.
Would keep Taylor and thank Ward for his incredible service.
Would loan out Dunne.
Would sell Lennon and bring in younger.
Would sell Defour. Reluctantly.
Would sell or part ex Vydra. Again reluctantly.
Would sell Wells.
Would not renew Crouches contract.
Would sell Agyei.

That is doing it mildly. But still sees us lose 9 players! Quite an overhaul.

Importantly though it sees us keep a spine of players who have got us where we are and can still perform.

Front two as is.
Centre halves as is.
Keeper as is.
Westwood.
Left side continues to develop together with Taylor and McNeil.

Means we start next season with a new right side and centre mid. With a striker to compete with and offer something different to Wood and Barnes.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by mdd2 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:38 am

fanzone wrote:Lowton
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Vydra
Wells
Gudmonnsson
Hart
Lingards
Ledzkins
Ward
How much money would that raise and how much would you need to add to that to sign replacements. I think we paid around £50million for those players-what would we get for the suspect fitness of Defour, Lennon and Brady and which club would pay us the money we paid out for Vydra given his appearances-was it 12 or 15 million we shelled out for him

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by houseboy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:38 am

taio wrote:A tad excessive don't you think - why would the club even consider selling three wingers?
And why JBG?

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Longsidelenny » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:44 am

Just a thought cricketfield claret

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by beddie » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:45 am

Shocked that anyone would even consider letting JBG go.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Longside4evr » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:59 am

I think 2 keepers Hart and Legs
Defence Lowton and Ward /Long
Midfield Defour Lennon / cork one more season
Maybe January
Wells Vydra /Walters retired
Not sure on development players but think the club has named the leavers already

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:04 am

Long will be here until he retires.

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Post by taio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:36 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Long will be here until he retires.
You've criticised Long often in the past. Why? He's done a job for us when called upon and of course we need depth to our squad. Every good squad needs that type of player.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:47 am

beddie wrote:Shocked that anyone would even consider letting JBG go.
Probably because of the sheer number of short term injuries he gets

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:55 am

Depends who comes in.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:58 am

Here we are, with our squad collectively, busting a gut to get the results needed to keep us in the prem and folk are wanting to unload a large number of them.

Poor timing and taste.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by fanzone » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:01 pm

houseboy wrote:And why JBG?
He barely strings three games together.

We need players not expensive ornaments

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by claretspice » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:09 pm

As I said on another thread last night, we need to be doing our utmost to keep everyone who has played 15 or so games this season, with the possible exceptions of Hart and Bardsley. That would include the likes of Brady, JBG and Lennon.

Recruitment at this level is hard enough without getting rid of proven players who have by and large done very well for us - if (and it's still if) we stay up this season then that will mean we've had 3 successful half seasons out of our last 4. That would be a phenomenal return over two seasons and we need to build upon it, not rip up the fundamentals.

We need 4, possibly 5 players this summer - of which realistically a couple will go straight into the starting eleven and a couple will supplement the squad. That will probably see nearly all the out of contract players plus one or two others move on, with Defour the most likely of he in-contract players to be moved on. Otherwise, we need to keep as many of our first team squad together as possible. New blood and a dash of extra quality is desirable but so is continuity and in any event without gargantuan turnover we cannot maintain competition for places any other way.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Ric_C » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:12 pm

JBG, Defour are only on this list due to their injury records.

Brady to a lesser extent, but it might be worth letting him fully recover this summer as his was a bad injury.

I think one of the things we should have learned from this season, is that we can't afford to carry injury prone players.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

Hart.Lennon.Ward.Vydra.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by claretspice » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:22 pm

Ric_C wrote:JBG, Defour are only on this list due to their injury records.

Brady to a lesser extent, but it might be worth letting him fully recover this summer as his was a bad injury.

I think one of the things we should have learned from this season, is that we can't afford to carry injury prone players.
But this is the point about folk failing to take the longer view. JBG has had a bad injury record this season. Last season he started 32 of our 38 league games and was a used sub in 3 others, so he didn't feature (for any reason) in only 3 league games. And there's no particular pattern in the sorts of injuries JBG has picked up this season that suggests an underlying issue. So let me point out something that might well explain (at least in part) his disrupted season: because he was at the world cup, JBG's 2017/18 season ended at the end of June and started again when he featured at Aberdeen in late July. So he barely had any time off at all last summer and I dare say that's affected his fitness this season.

As for Brady, he had a horrible injury 18 months ago, and has had a couple of muscle injuries as part of his rehab. Vokes, for one, had exactly the same thing after his cruciate, and once he was over that he gave us about 3 years of unbroken service. More recently, Brady has simply been kept out of the team by McNeil.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by northernpowerhouse » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:42 pm

Hart
Crouch
Defour
Ward
Lennon
Vydra (sadly but Dyche is obviously never going to play him).

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:58 pm

Defour btw is very likely to be going nowhere.
Clearly a chronic injury...will be on minimum £40k a week and we agreed to trigger the one year option. So we are stuck with him for another 14 months (or about £2.5m in salary terms) and probably will never see him play for Burnley again.
Nobody is going to buy him as he could not pass a medical and he is not going to take a pay cut.

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Post by claretspice » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:00 pm

TVC15 wrote:Defour btw is very likely to be going nowhere.
Clearly a chronic injury...will be on minimum £40k a week and we agreed to trigger the one year option. So we are stuck with him for another 14 months (or about £2.5m in salary terms) and probably will never see him play for Burnley again.
Nobody is going to buy him as he could not pass a medical and he is not going to take a pay cut.
Should we decide it is the right thing to do, no reason why we can't do something roughly akin to what City did with Hart, to get him off the wage bill and facilitate a move - perhaps to one of the more gentle leagues in the middle east, etc..

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by TVC15 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:09 pm

claretspice wrote:Should we decide it is the right thing to do, no reason why we can't do something roughly akin to what City did with Hart, to get him off the wage bill and facilitate a move - perhaps to one of the more gentle leagues in the middle east, etc..
Big difference being Hart can walk / run !
Seriously - even if we agreed to pay half why would any team want to pay a million a year for someone who we cannot even get fit for an under 23 game.
The injury he had a few years ago was pretty horrific - reading about it they were surprised he ever came back from it...it may be that it has caught up on him and his injuries are all linked to the original one ?

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by houseboy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:14 pm

fanzone wrote:He barely strings three games together.

We need players not expensive ornaments
I'd still rather have JBG for half a season than some we have.

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Post by claretspice » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:Big difference being Hart can walk / run !
Seriously - even if we agreed to pay half why would any team want to pay a million a year for someone who we cannot even get fit for an under 23 game.
The injury he had a few years ago was pretty horrific - reading about it they were surprised he ever came back from it...it may be that it has caught up on him and his injuries are all linked to the original one ?
I suppose this boils down the actual nature of his fitness. My own view is if he was such a crock, we'd never have exercised the option - and so I assume the problem is more about his susceptibility to aches and strains as a result of the major surgery has had. That may be less of a problem in a less intense league.

But you're absolutely right, this would only be a possibility if there were interest in him. We can't make it happen.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:33 pm

taio wrote:You've criticised Long often in the past. Why? He's done a job for us when called upon and of course we need depth to our squad. Every good squad needs that type of player.
My comment was aimed at someone saying he should be sold.

I've not really criticized Long for ages though, so lot sure why you've decided to drag it up.

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Moorite » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:43 pm

Defour
Hart

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Down_Rover » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:52 pm

A year is a long time.

At the beginning of the season Bardsley and Westwood were hardly seen as first choice.
Cork was the first player on the team sheet and Long was receiving great praise.
Getting Brady and Defour back was critical
Pope was set for a glittering international career, Heaton was on his way
Hendrick to some should be dispatched
And by November Wood was useless

Be careful. Players have good seasons and bad seasons. They are human

No need to get rid of Lowton, Brady, Long, or JBG. Indeed they may all play a part next season.

amongst the other candidates on here it depends on their personal ambitions and desires
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:53 pm

For all the people suggesting we get rid of JBG would you honestly fancy us to find better with our budget and recent record in the transfer market? I certainly wouldn't.
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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:00 pm

IanMcL wrote:Here we are, with our squad collectively, busting a gut to get the results needed to keep us in the prem and folk are wanting to unload a large number of them.

Poor timing and taste.
To coin a Dyche phrase. Its the reality of the situation.

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Post by Middle-agedClaret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:06 pm

Rocky

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Re: Who should leave in the Summer ?

Post by Wirvine » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:06 am

Obviously most of you haven't paid any attention to how BFC do business. We won't be bringing in half a dozen new players. If we are lucky we will get three or four. This means that we need to retain many on your wish lists above as back up. Lowton, Lennon, Long, JGB, Vydra and Brady won't be going anywhere.

Equally, most seem oblivious to the fact that some of our players are suffering long term or regular injuries and are not saleable. For this reason Dufour will be sitting long faced for another twelve months. Brady probably falls into this category too.

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