Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
RalphCoatesComb
Posts: 8049
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm
Been Liked: 2415 times
Has Liked: 2115 times

Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:48 pm

Ash and Chris had the time of their lives on the South Coast yesterday and their link-up play was, rightly, commented on by the MOTD pundits but, WHY does it have to be one game in five that they play so well?

Whatever Sean gave them in their tea yesterday, he needs to keep giving it to them ! ;)

Archer
Posts: 134
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:50 pm
Been Liked: 30 times
Has Liked: 146 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Archer » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:55 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:but, WHY does it have to be one game in five that they play so well?
I’m not sure you’ll catch as many as you hope

SGr
Posts: 4412
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1022 times
Has Liked: 307 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by SGr » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:02 pm

Naw, not biting.

gtclaret
Posts: 1344
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:45 am
Been Liked: 338 times
Has Liked: 118 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by gtclaret » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:06 pm

Because the centre backs can either handle them as against Leicester, or they can't as yesterday. The thing is when it is obvious that the physical approach isn't working and they are not getting a sniff, make a change, but for some reason SD will not give Vidra any game time

Dark Cloud
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:03 am
Been Liked: 1981 times
Has Liked: 3299 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:24 pm

gtclaret wrote:Because the centre backs can either handle them as against Leicester, or they can't as yesterday. The thing is when it is obvious that the physical approach isn't working and they are not getting a sniff, make a change, but for some reason SD will not give Vidra any game time
This is very true. There are days when Barnes in particular is brilliant and wins everything, including his famous "free kicks"!! But there are others when it's clear after about 4 minutes that he's weeing against the breeze and will get absolutely nowhere. Those are the days where SD should really give plan B a try and at a much earlier stage, but doesn't.

Vegas Claret
Posts: 30275
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 10917 times
Has Liked: 5594 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:27 pm

DIfference yesterday, we had control of the midfield so balls were going into the pair of them to either feet or chest. The games they are ineffective are when Tarks boots the ball 10 yards above them
These 3 users liked this post: Dark Cloud clitheroeclaret2 DomBFC1882

thatdberight
Posts: 3748
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:49 am
Been Liked: 927 times
Has Liked: 716 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:59 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:...should really give plan B a try and at a much earlier stage...
There's a 'Plan B'???
These 3 users liked this post: Dark Cloud HunterST_BFC DomBFC1882

Dark Cloud
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:03 am
Been Liked: 1981 times
Has Liked: 3299 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:05 pm

thatdberight wrote:There's a 'Plan B'???
Well there IS, but SD hasn't found it yet and even though I wear glasses, it's obvious to me and I know best!! :D
This user liked this post: thatdberight

Spike
Posts: 2682
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:07 pm
Been Liked: 594 times
Has Liked: 1225 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Spike » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:16 pm

Feed Barnes n Wood and they will score

Darnhill Claret
Posts: 2240
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:55 pm
Been Liked: 498 times
Has Liked: 992 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:48 pm

In every game we have the opposition trying to prevent us imposing our game on them. So we have to nullify some of their game plan before we can get the upper hand. Then we have to combat any changes they might make during the game. Then we have to do all we can to stick to our game plan, winning individual battles, sometimes against more skilled individuals. This is where our ‘team strength’ comes into play, all the time trying to limit the chances they might create, keeping a solid defensive wall in place. Then we have to try to create, either by skill or by bossing their back line with our physicality. Then we have the small matter of converting the chances that come our way. Not all players can do that. Thankfully we have two front men who can hold their own in this division, a young up and coming star in the making and others who will chip in with maybe a dozen or so, hopefully more over a season. It isn’t as easy as many of you seem to think it is.
This user liked this post: my_colls

Bosscat
Posts: 25362
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:51 am
Been Liked: 8426 times
Has Liked: 18096 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Bosscat » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:52 pm

In good old Blue Peter fashion here is one caught earlier
220px-Female_Rainbow_Trout_in_hand.JPG
220px-Female_Rainbow_Trout_in_hand.JPG (9.1 KiB) Viewed 2053 times

dsr
Posts: 15138
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4549 times
Has Liked: 2241 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by dsr » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:17 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:This is very true. There are days when Barnes in particular is brilliant and wins everything, including his famous "free kicks"!! But there are others when it's clear after about 4 minutes that he's weeing against the breeze and will get absolutely nowhere. Those are the days where SD should really give plan B a try and at a much earlier stage, but doesn't.
I wouldn't have said his first four minutes yesterday were all that good! ;)
This user liked this post: Dark Cloud

9thMay1987
Posts: 283
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 70 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by 9thMay1987 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:40 am

Any other front 2 in the PL who scored 20+ goals between them would get a lot more respect than our two.

Perhaps if Burnley win the midfield battle as Saturday they are given the licence to perform to their maximum.

Stayingup
Posts: 5551
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:02 pm
Been Liked: 914 times
Has Liked: 2726 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Stayingup » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:40 am

1. In most games we dont have much of the ball for one.
2. In others big defenders like Leicesters are able to combat them.
If 1 and 2 are added up then they might not particularaly show up. Its not just them its other parts of the team that have to function in different ways against different teams to allow them to show up. But against most teams, when we do get the ball forward they are a handfull and dangerous.

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:32 am

Much more playing of the ball down the wide channels Sat instead of just the normal hoof up the middle.
They can both have their off days (when Vydra could be used more), but Sat also showed quality of service from the rest of the team is important to them.
Even if there is no plan B, we can mix up plan A from time to time as Sat showed

Longside4evr
Posts: 2502
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:34 am
Been Liked: 519 times
Has Liked: 266 times
Location: Malaga Spain

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Longside4evr » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:46 am

What makes their scoring record even more convincing for me is the lack of penalties to
Some strikers goals half or a third are made up from the spot
Our strikers earn every last strike into that onion bag
This user liked this post: FactualFrank

houseboy
Posts: 7065
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:43 pm
Been Liked: 2238 times
Has Liked: 1617 times
Location: Baxenden

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by houseboy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:55 am

gtclaret wrote:Because the centre backs can either handle them as against Leicester, or they can't as yesterday. The thing is when it is obvious that the physical approach isn't working and they are not getting a sniff, make a change, but for some reason SD will not give Vidra any game time
Completely agree with this. They are very inconsistent but as stated that is down to the opposition, if they have defenders who don't mind mixing it then Barnes and Wood are generally very poor and the change, when needed, doesn't come. If the the opposition defence is open to being 'bullied' then we have two great strikers. I am beginning to think that any 'failure' with Barnes and Wood is down to just bad substitutions by Dyche, which is generally agreed on here as not one of his managerial strong points. We definitely need that fast, tricky forward who doesn't need physicality to beat defenders and we may well have him in Vydra but Dyche just doesn't seem to want to play him. Life's full of mysteries.

Colburn_Claret
Posts: 8069
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:30 pm
Been Liked: 3060 times
Has Liked: 5023 times
Location: Catterick N.Yorks

Re: Barnes & Wood the new Jekyll & Hyde

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:00 am

gtclaret wrote:Because the centre backs can either handle them as against Leicester, or they can't as yesterday. The thing is when it is obvious that the physical approach isn't working and they are not getting a sniff, make a change, but for some reason SD will not give Vidra any game time
That is just a small issue, a bigger factor is the delivery of the ball. When all we do is knock it long, they will have good days and bad. When we get the balls into the corners, as McNeil did all afternoon, and pull the ball back, they will make hay.
We mixed it up all afternoon, and as we've shown already this season, when we do that we succeed. It's no coincidence that against Palace and Newcastle we just didn't play football on the deck, and suffered the consequences.

Post Reply