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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:28 pm

Funny when you think the grief Spurs got for building one of the world's biggest and best stadiums in about 18 months.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Bosscat » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:54 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:Why couldn't the cladding be made to match the stands around it i.e. claret, then a blue stripe, then white. Or even all Claret to make it easier?

Same with the paint inside. White and grey just makes the stand stick out like a sore thumb when it's surrounded by claret and blue seats - surely this would've been a better idea?

(Excuse the dodgy paint job, but you get the idea!)

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Not getting you round to do our hall and stairs m8
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:56 pm

Bosscat wrote:Not getting you round to do our hall and stairs m8
:lol:
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:59 pm

How do those corner stands work,do they just sit on the balcony bit at the front,what's going on inside ? Does it have a shop and a bar? ;)

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:31 pm

Is it just me that thinks they look absolutely shite?
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Pickles » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:37 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Is it just me that thinks they look absolutely shite?
Nope, me too.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by TsarBomba » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:37 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Is it just me that thinks they look absolutely shite?
Yep, they look terrible.

I applaud the club for their massive strides on and off the pitch in the last ten years, but these disabled facilities are a continuation of ill thought out, short term decision making when it comes to modernising the Turf.

Edit- when it comes to the Turf, it’s the one area we could and should be improving, but seem very reluctant to do so. We don’t need anything fancy. An extra tier on the Bob Lord, a modernised CFS and just better all round facilities for the regular fan.

It shouldn’t be hard or overly expensive, certainly with the money we have.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by beddie » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:34 pm

martin_p wrote:But there’s another stand going up in that very corner.
Yes I know Martin, I could have made my post clearer by adding it should have been located within the stand currently being built between the BL stand and the JM stand.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by martin_p » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:52 pm

beddie wrote:Yes I know Martin, I could have made my post clearer by adding it should have been located within the stand currently being built between the BL stand and the JM stand.
But that’s for disabled fans as well isn’t it?

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:57 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Yep, they look terrible.

I applaud the club for their massive strides on and off the pitch in the last ten years, but these disabled facilities are a continuation of ill thought out, short term decision making when it comes to modernising the Turf.

Edit- when it comes to the Turf, it’s the one area we could and should be improving, but seem very reluctant to do so. We don’t need anything fancy. An extra tier on the Bob Lord, a modernised CFS and just better all round facilities for the regular fan.

It shouldn’t be hard or overly expensive, certainly with the money we have.
Improving disabled facilities wasnt an option, it had to be done to meet new Premier League rules.
The cost of knocking down a stand to incorporate a disabled section would have taken far longer, cost far more and would probably be too early to justify in terms of how long we remain a top flight club.
I think the look poor from outside, but from inside the ground they look fine, and will look even better when in use. The only gripe is the screen, but that's supposed to be getting reviewed.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Claretforever » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:01 pm

I agree with some of the above. Everything we do to the Turf appears to have a stamp of the here and now, and as cheaply as possible on it.

From the pillars at the main entrance not even hiding the fact they’re hollow, the shoddy rendering job on them and cheap caps on top, to the cheap cladding, which has been dented by workers that won’t be asked to make it right, to the corner stands. They should both be the same height regardless of the height of the Bob Lord, but that would have meant an angled roof for a small section of the Bob Lord, so slightly more expense.

In fact, if we’d have spent an extra £50K in 1995 to re-house the police box we may even have a stand where the goals sit in the middle of it.

Cheap. That’s all we ever do.

I wish our board had a vision. A serious 5-10 year plan with the ground. When we update one but it should be in preparation for the next stage, not building around a floodlight pylon with no idea what we’re going to do if we need access to maintain it.
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by martin_p » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:02 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Improving disabled facilities wasnt an option, it had to be done to meet new Premier League rules.
The cost of knocking down a stand to incorporate a disabled section would have taken far longer, cost far more and would probably be too early to justify in terms of how long we remain a top flight club.
I think the look poor from outside, but from inside the ground they look fine, and will look even better when in use. The only gripe is the screen, but that's supposed to be getting reviewed.
I’m pretty sure there’ll be some improvements to the outside, probably during the close season.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Claretforever » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:11 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Improving disabled facilities wasnt an option, it had to be done to meet new Premier League rules.
The cost of knocking down a stand to incorporate a disabled section would have taken far longer, cost far more and would probably be too early to justify in terms of how long we remain a top flight club.
I think the look poor from outside, but from inside the ground they look fine, and will look even better when in use. The only gripe is the screen, but that's supposed to be getting reviewed.
We still don’t fully comply with the Premier League standards, despite the time, effort and cost. I’m convinced that either we’ve been totally ripped off for those corner stands or the £5m mentioned involved other work elsewhere.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Pickles » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:18 pm

Claretforever wrote:I agree with some of the above. Everything we do to the Turf appears to have a stamp of the here and now, and as cheaply as possible on it.

From the pillars at the main entrance not even hiding the fact they’re hollow, the shoddy rendering job on them and cheap caps on top, to the cheap cladding, which has been dented by workers that won’t be asked to make it right, to the corner stands. They should both be the same height regardless of the height of the Bob Lord, but that would have meant an angled roof for a small section of the Bob Lord, so slightly more expense.

In fact, if we’d have spent an extra £50K in 1995 to re-house the police box we may even have a stand where the goals sit in the middle of it.

Cheap. That’s all we ever do.

I wish our board had a vision. A serious 5-10 year plan with the ground. When we update one but it should be in preparation for the next stage, not building around a floodlight pylon with no idea what we’re going to do if we need access to maintain it.
Totally agree. We're little Burnley in pretty much every aspect. As for the corners in particular, it's brilliant we're going to have better facilities for supporters (about time) but why don't the new bits join the other stands? Why aren't they flush? They look rank. They shouldn't be corners at all but rather extensions to connect the stands on either side. As it is, they're just separate chunks. Might as well have wheeled in the kind of temporary raked seating you see at country fairs for dog shows. But hey, is there contactless payment at the Turf yet? Baby steps.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:27 pm

I notice a walkway out, on the latest picture. Will JML fans in that corner be allowed to leave that way?

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:29 pm

Might it be worth reserving comment on how awful they look until they are actually finished ?
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by tim_noone » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:39 pm

Well Done Burnley....creating Something from nothing.and thankfully the weather in the main has being pretty Mild for the Less Abled during construction. They will love it I'm sure!
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Goody1975 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Claretforever wrote:I agree with some of the above. Everything we do to the Turf appears to have a stamp of the here and now, and as cheaply as possible on it.

From the pillars at the main entrance not even hiding the fact they’re hollow, the shoddy rendering job on them and cheap caps on top, to the cheap cladding, which has been dented by workers that won’t be asked to make it right, to the corner stands. They should both be the same height regardless of the height of the Bob Lord, but that would have meant an angled roof for a small section of the Bob Lord, so slightly more expense.

In fact, if we’d have spent an extra £50K in 1995 to re-house the police box we may even have a stand where the goals sit in the middle of it.

Cheap. That’s all we ever do.

I wish our board had a vision. A serious 5-10 year plan with the ground. When we update one but it should be in preparation for the next stage, not building around a floodlight pylon with no idea what we’re going to do if we need access to maintain it.
This


My biggest gripe is not starting to plan for something that will need doing eventually (BLS & CFS), if we have a long term vision of what we want Turf Moor to look like in the future then you can plan it in as many phases as are necessary (that doesn't mean the club have to commit to some or all of the project)

The subject matter is 'Ground Redevelopment/Improvement', the board's response (and many on here) is we don't need a bigger ground/capacity, end of chat. IMO the capacity is a fair way down the list of outcomes from any possible building work, a small increase would be the benefit of the improvement to Turf Moor, especially the sight lines for many of our fans which is substandard and the cramped concourses which affect the majority.

Turf Moor has it's own unique character which makes it stand out from the soulless bowls but that does not prevent the club moving into the 21st century while it has the funds to make a positive difference, for now and the future of the club and it's supporters.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by TVC15 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:48 pm

Claretforever wrote:We still don’t fully comply with the Premier League standards, despite the time, effort and cost. I’m convinced that either we’ve been totally ripped off for those corner stands or the £5m mentioned involved other work elsewhere.
I was told by someone who is involved in the club that the costs had risen to £12m. No reason to doubt what he said though it’s hard to see where the money has gone.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by tim_noone » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:53 pm

TVC15 wrote:I was told by someone who is involved in the club that the costs had risen to £12m. No reason to doubt what he said though it’s hard to see where the money has gone.
Do you know how much concrete & cladding cost?

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:56 pm

Hard to believe, 12 million?

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:33 pm

I like the idea that one corner stand is renamed on a rotating basis, maybe every season.

Bit like the 4th plinth

We could somehow organise a poll for the annual naming, as long as we can make it 'bast@rd proof' so they don't hijack it!

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by beddie » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:50 pm

£12 million for a bit of a framework and cladding, ridiculous. We should be claiming it all back from the builders in penalty fees, it's taken far too long to build, even if they uncovered problems when drilling the foundations that's down to bad planning and poor survey work they (builders) carried out. I hope the club disputes the final bill.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:55 pm

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Decent view
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by occ-claret » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 pm

Does look a good view. I for one think the club have done an exceptional job on getting them built. They will be a worthy asset to the ground
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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:19 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
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Decent view
I wonder if that wire on the floor is for the tele on top of that stand,I hope they find a better place for it they will keep tripping over it and pulling the plug out.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Whitgord » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:59 pm

That is a cracking view compared to where I once sat in a wheelchair (after a hip op) near the corner flag below.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Whitgord » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:00 pm

Though I hope they’re sensible with the volume out of those speakers or else our wheelchair bound fans will get knocked over with the sound waves.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Working_Class_Zero » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:40 pm

What happened to it being four tiers? :D
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Post by tim_noone » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pm

Working_Class_Zero wrote:What happened to it being four tiers? :D
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It's over 4 floors.

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Post by TVC15 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:36 pm

tim_noone wrote:Do you know how much concrete & cladding cost?
Yep I do - do you know how much it costs when you are 10 months late ? Or when you realise after you start the job that the foundations need to be redone ?
The person who told me it was £12m is someone who is involved with the club and has been for 50 years.
I agree it’s hard to believe too but he told a group of us at a meeting about something else and just can’t see any reason why he would make it up.

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Post by Steve1956 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:39 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yep I do - do you know how much it costs when you are 10 months late ? Or when you realise after you start the job that the foundations need to be redone ?
The person who told me it was £12m is someone who is involved with the club and has been for 50 years.
I agree it’s hard to believe too but he told a group of us at a meeting about something else and just can’t see any reason why he would make it up.
He might be a bullshitter!

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by TVC15 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:43 pm

Steve1956 wrote:He might be a bullshitter!
Yep he might be....but given he is about 80 years old and given who he is there is no reason for him to make stuff up.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:25 am

I think they look ok at best but we need to do something with the Perspex at the end of each stand, seeing the new stand through each end looks ridiculous. They also need some colour in there, grey and white is very odd.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:31 am

Grey and White paint tend to be used as base coats and cheaper to buy than Claret and Blue.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:34 am

Working_Class_Zero wrote:What happened to it being four tiers? :D
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Maybe they realised how high the screen would be if it was 4

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by claretdj » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:36 am

Why didn't they paint the walls claret n blue? Grey n white looks odd.. Good job done for disabled supporters though with a fantastic view..

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Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:36 am

£12m oh my days.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:39 am

Painting the walls claret and blue would look awful. I’m sure it will look much better when in use.

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Post by Grimsdale » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:47 am

Is it opened for Sunday? Haven't seen any announcements. In which case I suspect it's not finished yet.

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Post by claretdj » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:49 am

Rileybobs wrote:Painting the walls claret and blue would look awful. I’m sure it will look much better when in use.
Paint Blue n white then.. :lol:

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:55 am

Working_Class_Zero wrote:What happened to it being four tiers? :D
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We ran out of cash.

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Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:55 am

Grimsdale wrote:Is it opened for Sunday? Haven't seen any announcements. In which case I suspect it's not finished yet.
I popped in yesterday, it’s not finished yet, but they are almost there now. I had a nosey in the first level, they’ve installed blue seats behind the barriers and flat screen TVs are up in the concourse part.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:56 am

TVC15 wrote:Yep he might be....but given he is about 80 years old and given who he is there is no reason for him to make stuff up.
Not a bullshitter then,probably senile though :roll:

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Post by Herts Clarets » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:56 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Not a bullshitter then,probably senile though :roll:
From the description it sounds as though it may be Jim Thompson. Great bloke if it is and I wouldn't disbelieve any information that comes from him.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:14 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:From the description it sounds as though it may be Jim Thompson. Great bloke if it is and I wouldn't disbelieve any information that comes from him.
He's got to be 90... :D

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:39 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:From the description it sounds as though it may be Jim Thompson. Great bloke if it is and I wouldn't disbelieve any information that comes from him.
We have a Board member that has been on the Board for almost 33 years and been at the club for many years prior to that. I recall the same director telling us the story of his first Board meeting back in July 1986, when a fellow director at the time Basil Dearing stunned the others with the news that the club was insolvent and operating illegally.

So, although we understandably criticise Bolton presently, it really is a case of "there but for the grace of God".

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Post by Lord Beamish » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:57 pm

Basil Dearing. Employing him as your Legal Representative was essentially a Guilty Plea.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:02 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Basil Dearing. Employing him as your Legal Representative was essentially a Guilty Plea.
To be fair it was Basil that recommended we re-valued the ground, which was subsequently valued much higher and at a stroke we were no longer insolvent.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

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Re: New Corner Stands

Post by martin_p » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:27 pm

Looks like the bottom tier is open today.

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