Eddie Howe
Eddie Howe
Bournemouth are only the second team in Premier League history to concede over sixty goals in four consecutive seasons (Wigan were the other team). As we know from his time here Eddie just does not do defending which is strange from a guy who spent his career doing just that. Completely the opposite of Sean who rebuilt the team from back to front. (He could start by getting a decent 'keeper in first).
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Re: Eddie Howe
What a bizarre stat that is.
What made you look that up?
What made you look that up?
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They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.
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I didn't need to look it up, it's in both the papers I've read this weekend.
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And how many have they scored in them 4 years for balance?
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He would make a great assistant to Dyche.
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Especially if Wilson & Fraser leave, as predicted.TheFamilyCat wrote:They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.
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They would be screwed it ake leaves.
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Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
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Chelsea have been mentioned for wanting him back.Shore claret wrote:They would be screwed it ake leaves.
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Agree about Brookes, not been as lucky with Ibe or Solanke though.Claretitus wrote:Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
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A good keeper would rectify some of their problems. We can send them Hart.....while they look for one!
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Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
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Did people think he was a defensive coach? We played some interminably slow build up stuff under him which isn't the same thing. I remember his last game at Palace when we went 2-0 up and thought we might hang on for a draw...we lost 4-3. Wish we had been a bit more defensive his last half season.Stalbansclaret wrote:Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
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If he buys Ben Godfrey and Jimmy Dunne in the Summer they will have a strong rear guard at home, i then don't see Wilson and Fraser leaving.
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I like Bournemouth. and I like Howe. But I am sure they will be. Said it myself.TheFamilyCat wrote:They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.
would rather they stay up over most clubs but obviously not at our expense.
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Bournemouth goals scoredQuickenthetempo wrote:And how many have they scored in them 4 years for balance?
2018/19 - 44 (so far)
2017/18 - 45
2016/17 - 55
2015/16 - 45
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I think you will find we scored 8 just a pity Ash Barnes put one in our own net on SaturdayFCBurnley wrote:We scored 7 against em
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Yes Bournemouth managed by 2 centre backs and cannot defend. Perhaps they did not like their playing positions, so always wanted to surge forward, gung ho!
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If Wilson leaves in the summer they might struggle to replace his goals, can see them rivaling our attempts for Che Adams.
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I don't think he had to look it up. It was mentioned either on MOTD or Sky over the weekend.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:What a bizarre stat that is.
What made you look that up?
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That game at Palace. We were getting hammered yet went 2-0 up.mickleoverclaret wrote:Did people think he was a defensive coach? We played some interminably slow build up stuff under him which isn't the same thing. I remember his last game at Palace when we went 2-0 up and thought we might hang on for a draw...we lost 4-3. Wish we had been a bit more defensive his last half season.
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That's a Burnley record in the Premier League - never scored seven against anyone in the same season before.FCBurnley wrote:We scored 7 against em
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Ah ok, I only watched one game on motd on Saturday night and I don't have Sky sports.ClaretTony wrote:I don't think he had to look it up. It was mentioned either on MOTD or Sky over the weekend.
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If EH is/was a defensive coach then he is/was an abject failure. We leaked goals for fun under him and with the players we had it was so difficult to tighten things up; so difficult that it took Sean his first game to shut up shop. In EH 10 games that season we were shipping 2.2 goals per game and scoring 2.1 and getting 1.1pts/game. Under Sean's 33 games we shipped .94 goals/game scored 1.1 per game and got 1.33 pts per game.After that in the Championship we shipped about 0.8 per game and in the Premier league 1.4, 1.45, 1 and now 1.8 although in last 14 games 1.35.
Now EH may have plugged the gap the season he left but on the form we were showing after 10 games we were heading for a total of 50-51 points and possible relegation.
Now EH may have plugged the gap the season he left but on the form we were showing after 10 games we were heading for a total of 50-51 points and possible relegation.
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Wow does this mean we've moved on from Coyle and now it's Howe's turn for a few years!
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Howe may be currently going through a tough spell but is without doubt the best English football manager in the game and if any of them is gonna break the top 6 it will be him.
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Devils Advocate plays....well, devils advocate.
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After Dyche's first season more people wanted him sacked than Brian Laws. It was dreadful football, worse than anything Cotterball could throw up.mdd2 wrote:If EH is/was a defensive coach then he is/was an abject failure. We leaked goals for fun under him and with the players we had it was so difficult to tighten things up; so difficult that it took Sean his first game to shut up shop. In EH 10 games that season we were shipping 2.2 goals per game and scoring 2.1 and getting 1.1pts/game. Under Sean's 33 games we shipped .94 goals/game scored 1.1 per game and got 1.33 pts per game.After that in the Championship we shipped about 0.8 per game and in the Premier league 1.4, 1.45, 1 and now 1.8 although in last 14 games 1.35.
Now EH may have plugged the gap the season he left but on the form we were showing after 10 games we were heading for a total of 50-51 points and possible relegation.
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To compare for us:Rowls wrote:Bournemouth goals scored
2018/19 - 44 (so far)
2017/18 - 45
2016/17 - 55
2015/16 - 45
2018/19 - 40 (so far)
2017/18 - 36
2016/17 - 39
2014/15 - 28
But conceded
2018/19 - 60 (so far)
2017/18 - 39
2016/17 - 55
2014/15 - 53
GD
Bournemouth
2018/19 - -17 (so far)
2017/18 - -16
2016/17 - -12
2015/16 - -22
Burnley
2018/19 - -20 (so far)
2017/18 - -3
2016/17 - -16
2014/15 - -25
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We'd be daft to sell Dunne to them.bodge wrote:If he buys Ben Godfrey and Jimmy Dunne in the Summer they will have a strong rear guard at home, i then don't see Wilson and Fraser leaving.
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Easy to find a decent player if he was an academy product from one of the big 6.Claretitus wrote:Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
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Logged in to like this. I couldn't agree more, Stalbansclaret, whenever you see anyone posting about, for example, a possible signing, there's normally (within a couple of postings) a host of smart@rses purely pitching in to diss the OP (without offering any other positive alternative).Stalbansclaret wrote:Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
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So to all those criticising howes defences, he almost always has a better gd than us while at the same time playing more flowing, attacking football.aggi wrote:To compare for us:
2018/19 - 40 (so far)
2017/18 - 36
2016/17 - 39
2014/15 - 28
But conceded
2018/19 - 60 (so far)
2017/18 - 39
2016/17 - 55
2014/15 - 53
GD
Bournemouth
2018/19 - -17 (so far)
2017/18 - -16
2016/17 - -12
2015/16 - -22
Burnley
2018/19 - -20 (so far)
2017/18 - -3
2016/17 - -16
2014/15 - -25
While I believe Dyche is better for us and Howe them. Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc
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I give you evidence exhibit CT1cricketfieldclarets wrote: Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc
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Don’t panic, don’t panic.deanothedino wrote:We'd be daft to sell Dunne to them.
You stupid boy.
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Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
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Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
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I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.
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Gate receipts? Really? Based on gate receipts we should probably still be competing with them but at league one level!Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
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cricketfieldclarets wrote:So to all those criticising howes defences, he almost always has a better gd than us while at the same time playing more flowing, attacking football.
While I believe Dyche is better for us and Howe them. Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc
No no no no no No! Not for no reason. Some people don't like him because of the way he looked at someone once!
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Didn't he clear out a number of the egos that downed tools under Laws?nil_desperandum wrote:Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.
I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.
He only really appeared to struggle here when his personal issues got too much for him, I thought.
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That’s gone way too far.Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
Howe took on Bournemouth when they were languishing in the bottom division and took them through all the divisions and spending very little money until they got to the premier league - given the size of the club / fan base this will stand as one of the best managerial achievements ever - how many times has something comparable to this ever been done by one manager ?
His time at Burnley had his ups and downs but you cannot deny that he brought in some of the best players we have ever had in our history in the likes of Ings, Tripps, and Ben Mee and very important players like Vokes, Austin, Shackell. These 6 players cost about £5m and they are worth a hell of a lot more but more importantly to us we would not have gone up under Dyche without them.
You mention the Swindon game - firstly we know that Austin is a bit of a knob and secondly there are plenty of times fans have questioned Dyche losing the plot in certain matches - it’s that age old thing of fans thinking they know better than managers how to do a job they have never got anywhere near to attempting.
Eddie Howe got plenty of things wrong at Burnley but he got some massive things right. His achievements at Bournemouth are on a par with any managers achievements in the last 10 years in the context of where the club came from - that doesn’t mean he gets everything right.
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Whatever it was Dyche sorted it out and turned a mid table Championship club into a Premier League club in 18 months.nil_desperandum wrote:Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.
I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.
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Dyche has obviously got to take a lot of credit as he brought in the likes of Heaton, Jones and Arfield (all on free transfers btw) who were all brilliant. At the same time he lost Austin which probably worked in his favour in terms of team spirit as even though he was a great scorer he is also unquestionably an idiot with a massive ego.martin_p wrote:Whatever it was Dyche sorted it out and turned a mid table Championship club into a Premier League club in 18 months.
But the biggest single difference in that first full season for Dyche is that he had a fit Danny Ings which Howe never had - one player does not make a team but we are talking about easily the best player in the whole division that year.
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Dyche also managed to turn the previously dud striker Sam Vokes into a 20 goal a season machine.TVC15 wrote:Dyche has obviously got to take a lot of credit as he brought in the likes of Heaton, Jones and Arfield (all on free transfers btw) who were all brilliant. At the same time he lost Austin which probably worked in his favour in terms of team spirit as even though he was a great scorer he is also unquestionably an idiot with a massive ego.
But the biggest single difference in that first full season for Dyche is that he had a fit Danny Ings which Howe never had - one player does not make a team but we are talking about easily the best player in the whole division that year.
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Yes he did - Sam was absolutely brilliant that year. Not just in attack but also in his defending from corners / set pieces. Partnership between him and Ings was one of the best I have seen at the club in last 40 years - the pinnacle of which was that 2-0 victory against QPR at the turf where they were both brilliant and we scored that great goal which they made themselves with a couple on one twos from the half way lineLord Beamish wrote:Dyche also managed to turn the previously dud striker Sam Vokes into a 20 goal a season machine.
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Dyche has worked wonders at Burnley.
Howe has worked wonders at Bournemouth.
Credit to them both. No comparison necessary.
Howe has worked wonders at Bournemouth.
Credit to them both. No comparison necessary.
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I too think that that Partnership was the best I’ve seen in my time supporting Burnley. I still maintain that we would have stayed up the first time under Dyche if Sam had been fit all season. I feel sure they would have turned enough losses int draws and enough draws into wins to keep us up.TVC15 wrote:Yes he did - Sam was absolutely brilliant that year. Not just in attack but also in his defending from corners / set pieces. Partnership between him and Ings was one of the best I have seen at the club in last 40 years - the pinnacle of which was that 2-0 victory against QPR at the turf where they were both brilliant and we scored that great goal which they made themselves with a couple on one twos from the half way line
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As much as I couldn't wait to see Howe leave Burnley, so bored was I with the football, I couldn't agree more with that. Incredible what's been achieved there and certainly incredible what's been achieved here.agreenwood wrote:Dyche has worked wonders at Burnley.
Howe has worked wonders at Bournemouth.
Credit to them both. No comparison necessary.