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Eddie Howe

Post by redwasp » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:23 pm

Bournemouth are only the second team in Premier League history to concede over sixty goals in four consecutive seasons (Wigan were the other team). As we know from his time here Eddie just does not do defending which is strange from a guy who spent his career doing just that. Completely the opposite of Sean who rebuilt the team from back to front. (He could start by getting a decent 'keeper in first).

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:25 pm

What a bizarre stat that is.

What made you look that up?

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:26 pm

They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by redwasp » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:31 pm

I didn't need to look it up, it's in both the papers I've read this weekend.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:16 pm

And how many have they scored in them 4 years for balance?

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:26 pm

He would make a great assistant to Dyche.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.
Especially if Wilson & Fraser leave, as predicted.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Shore claret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:33 pm

They would be screwed it ake leaves.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Claretitus » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:39 pm

Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:39 pm

Shore claret wrote:They would be screwed it ake leaves.
Chelsea have been mentioned for wanting him back.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:40 pm

Claretitus wrote:Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
Agree about Brookes, not been as lucky with Ibe or Solanke though.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:42 pm

A good keeper would rectify some of their problems. We can send them Hart.....while they look for one!
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Stalbansclaret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:46 pm

Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by mickleoverclaret » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:50 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
Did people think he was a defensive coach? We played some interminably slow build up stuff under him which isn't the same thing. I remember his last game at Palace when we went 2-0 up and thought we might hang on for a draw...we lost 4-3. Wish we had been a bit more defensive his last half season.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:09 pm

We scored 7 against em
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by bodge » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:11 pm

If he buys Ben Godfrey and Jimmy Dunne in the Summer they will have a strong rear guard at home, i then don't see Wilson and Fraser leaving.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:27 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:They can’t keep getting away with conceding that many season after season. I can see them in a relegation scrap next season.
I like Bournemouth. and I like Howe. But I am sure they will be. Said it myself.

would rather they stay up over most clubs but obviously not at our expense.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:34 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:And how many have they scored in them 4 years for balance?
Bournemouth goals scored

2018/19 - 44 (so far)
2017/18 - 45
2016/17 - 55
2015/16 - 45
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Bosscat » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:36 pm

FCBurnley wrote:We scored 7 against em
I think you will find we scored 8 ;) just a pity Ash Barnes put one in our own net on Saturday :(
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:42 pm

Yes Bournemouth managed by 2 centre backs and cannot defend. Perhaps they did not like their playing positions, so always wanted to surge forward, gung ho!

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Shore claret » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:23 am

If Wilson leaves in the summer they might struggle to replace his goals, can see them rivaling our attempts for Che Adams.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:24 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:What a bizarre stat that is.

What made you look that up?
I don't think he had to look it up. It was mentioned either on MOTD or Sky over the weekend.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:26 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:Did people think he was a defensive coach? We played some interminably slow build up stuff under him which isn't the same thing. I remember his last game at Palace when we went 2-0 up and thought we might hang on for a draw...we lost 4-3. Wish we had been a bit more defensive his last half season.
That game at Palace. We were getting hammered yet went 2-0 up.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:26 am

FCBurnley wrote:We scored 7 against em
That's a Burnley record in the Premier League - never scored seven against anyone in the same season before.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:31 am

ClaretTony wrote:I don't think he had to look it up. It was mentioned either on MOTD or Sky over the weekend.
Ah ok, I only watched one game on motd on Saturday night and I don't have Sky sports.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by mdd2 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:12 am

If EH is/was a defensive coach then he is/was an abject failure. We leaked goals for fun under him and with the players we had it was so difficult to tighten things up; so difficult that it took Sean his first game to shut up shop. In EH 10 games that season we were shipping 2.2 goals per game and scoring 2.1 and getting 1.1pts/game. Under Sean's 33 games we shipped .94 goals/game scored 1.1 per game and got 1.33 pts per game.After that in the Championship we shipped about 0.8 per game and in the Premier league 1.4, 1.45, 1 and now 1.8 although in last 14 games 1.35.
Now EH may have plugged the gap the season he left but on the form we were showing after 10 games we were heading for a total of 50-51 points and possible relegation.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by WestMidsClaret » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:15 am

Wow does this mean we've moved on from Coyle and now it's Howe's turn for a few years!
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:28 am

Howe may be currently going through a tough spell but is without doubt the best English football manager in the game and if any of them is gonna break the top 6 it will be him.
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:31 am

Devils Advocate plays....well, devils advocate.
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:38 am

mdd2 wrote:If EH is/was a defensive coach then he is/was an abject failure. We leaked goals for fun under him and with the players we had it was so difficult to tighten things up; so difficult that it took Sean his first game to shut up shop. In EH 10 games that season we were shipping 2.2 goals per game and scoring 2.1 and getting 1.1pts/game. Under Sean's 33 games we shipped .94 goals/game scored 1.1 per game and got 1.33 pts per game.After that in the Championship we shipped about 0.8 per game and in the Premier league 1.4, 1.45, 1 and now 1.8 although in last 14 games 1.35.
Now EH may have plugged the gap the season he left but on the form we were showing after 10 games we were heading for a total of 50-51 points and possible relegation.
After Dyche's first season more people wanted him sacked than Brian Laws. It was dreadful football, worse than anything Cotterball could throw up.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by aggi » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:43 am

Rowls wrote:Bournemouth goals scored

2018/19 - 44 (so far)
2017/18 - 45
2016/17 - 55
2015/16 - 45
To compare for us:

2018/19 - 40 (so far)
2017/18 - 36
2016/17 - 39
2014/15 - 28

But conceded

2018/19 - 60 (so far)
2017/18 - 39
2016/17 - 55
2014/15 - 53

GD

Bournemouth
2018/19 - -17 (so far)
2017/18 - -16
2016/17 - -12
2015/16 - -22

Burnley
2018/19 - -20 (so far)
2017/18 - -3
2016/17 - -16
2014/15 - -25

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by deanothedino » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:47 am

bodge wrote:If he buys Ben Godfrey and Jimmy Dunne in the Summer they will have a strong rear guard at home, i then don't see Wilson and Fraser leaving.
We'd be daft to sell Dunne to them.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by deanothedino » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:48 am

Claretitus wrote:Still got an eye for a the odd good player though. The lad Brookes is a real talent, scouts from big 6 looking at him apparently. He was an Academy product of Man City too.
Easy to find a decent player if he was an academy product from one of the big 6.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Goddy » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:51 am

Stalbansclaret wrote:Classic Uptheclarets thread in that the OP highlights an interesting and perfectly valid point, not just statistically factual but also relevant in giving credence to many Burnley fans' perceptions of EH as a defensive coach when he managed us, only to have other posters decide to be arsey with them !
Logged in to like this. I couldn't agree more, Stalbansclaret, whenever you see anyone posting about, for example, a possible signing, there's normally (within a couple of postings) a host of smart@rses purely pitching in to diss the OP (without offering any other positive alternative).
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:01 pm

aggi wrote:To compare for us:

2018/19 - 40 (so far)
2017/18 - 36
2016/17 - 39
2014/15 - 28

But conceded

2018/19 - 60 (so far)
2017/18 - 39
2016/17 - 55
2014/15 - 53

GD

Bournemouth
2018/19 - -17 (so far)
2017/18 - -16
2016/17 - -12
2015/16 - -22

Burnley
2018/19 - -20 (so far)
2017/18 - -3
2016/17 - -16
2014/15 - -25
So to all those criticising howes defences, he almost always has a better gd than us while at the same time playing more flowing, attacking football.

While I believe Dyche is better for us and Howe them. Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:09 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc
I give you evidence exhibit CT1

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:11 pm

deanothedino wrote:We'd be daft to sell Dunne to them.
Don’t panic, don’t panic.

You stupid boy.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:20 am

Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by nil_desperandum » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:28 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
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Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.
I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:21 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
Gate receipts? Really? Based on gate receipts we should probably still be competing with them but at league one level!

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by WestMidsClaret » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:37 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So to all those criticising howes defences, he almost always has a better gd than us while at the same time playing more flowing, attacking football.

While I believe Dyche is better for us and Howe them. Its amazing how many people disliked him for no reason. Especially when he brought us Mee. Tripps. Austin. Stanislas. Ings. Vokes. Etc

No no no no no No! Not for no reason. Some people don't like him because of the way he looked at someone once!
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:51 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.
I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.
Didn't he clear out a number of the egos that downed tools under Laws?

He only really appeared to struggle here when his personal issues got too much for him, I thought.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by TVC15 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:53 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Eddie would struggle without the luxury of his Latvian backer.He can buy in talent despite have a div2 income from gate receipts.
Burnley are a big club that Eddie struggled to cope with.
One of his last games was at Swindon in the Carling cup when he was clueless and sat stunned as we rolled over.
Charlie Austin kept screaming at him to get a grip and change things.I dont dislike Eddie but do feel this media lovein re his alleged ability a little irritating.
That’s gone way too far.
Howe took on Bournemouth when they were languishing in the bottom division and took them through all the divisions and spending very little money until they got to the premier league - given the size of the club / fan base this will stand as one of the best managerial achievements ever - how many times has something comparable to this ever been done by one manager ?
His time at Burnley had his ups and downs but you cannot deny that he brought in some of the best players we have ever had in our history in the likes of Ings, Tripps, and Ben Mee and very important players like Vokes, Austin, Shackell. These 6 players cost about £5m and they are worth a hell of a lot more but more importantly to us we would not have gone up under Dyche without them.
You mention the Swindon game - firstly we know that Austin is a bit of a knob and secondly there are plenty of times fans have questioned Dyche losing the plot in certain matches - it’s that age old thing of fans thinking they know better than managers how to do a job they have never got anywhere near to attempting.

Eddie Howe got plenty of things wrong at Burnley but he got some massive things right. His achievements at Bournemouth are on a par with any managers achievements in the last 10 years in the context of where the club came from - that doesn’t mean he gets everything right.
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by martin_p » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:54 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Correct about foreign backer, but gate receipts are almost irrelevant in Burnley and Bournemouth's case so long as both remain in PL.
I think in hindsight - and there's a lot of evidence out now - that it was the size of the egos of some senior players that EH struggled with, not the size of the club.
Whatever it was Dyche sorted it out and turned a mid table Championship club into a Premier League club in 18 months.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by TVC15 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:15 am

martin_p wrote:Whatever it was Dyche sorted it out and turned a mid table Championship club into a Premier League club in 18 months.
Dyche has obviously got to take a lot of credit as he brought in the likes of Heaton, Jones and Arfield (all on free transfers btw) who were all brilliant. At the same time he lost Austin which probably worked in his favour in terms of team spirit as even though he was a great scorer he is also unquestionably an idiot with a massive ego.
But the biggest single difference in that first full season for Dyche is that he had a fit Danny Ings which Howe never had - one player does not make a team but we are talking about easily the best player in the whole division that year.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:23 am

TVC15 wrote:Dyche has obviously got to take a lot of credit as he brought in the likes of Heaton, Jones and Arfield (all on free transfers btw) who were all brilliant. At the same time he lost Austin which probably worked in his favour in terms of team spirit as even though he was a great scorer he is also unquestionably an idiot with a massive ego.
But the biggest single difference in that first full season for Dyche is that he had a fit Danny Ings which Howe never had - one player does not make a team but we are talking about easily the best player in the whole division that year.
Dyche also managed to turn the previously dud striker Sam Vokes into a 20 goal a season machine.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by TVC15 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:29 am

Lord Beamish wrote:Dyche also managed to turn the previously dud striker Sam Vokes into a 20 goal a season machine.
Yes he did - Sam was absolutely brilliant that year. Not just in attack but also in his defending from corners / set pieces. Partnership between him and Ings was one of the best I have seen at the club in last 40 years - the pinnacle of which was that 2-0 victory against QPR at the turf where they were both brilliant and we scored that great goal which they made themselves with a couple on one twos from the half way line

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by agreenwood » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:29 am

Dyche has worked wonders at Burnley.

Howe has worked wonders at Bournemouth.

Credit to them both. No comparison necessary.
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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:32 am

TVC15 wrote:Yes he did - Sam was absolutely brilliant that year. Not just in attack but also in his defending from corners / set pieces. Partnership between him and Ings was one of the best I have seen at the club in last 40 years - the pinnacle of which was that 2-0 victory against QPR at the turf where they were both brilliant and we scored that great goal which they made themselves with a couple on one twos from the half way line
I too think that that Partnership was the best I’ve seen in my time supporting Burnley. I still maintain that we would have stayed up the first time under Dyche if Sam had been fit all season. I feel sure they would have turned enough losses int draws and enough draws into wins to keep us up.

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Re: Eddie Howe

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:34 am

agreenwood wrote:Dyche has worked wonders at Burnley.

Howe has worked wonders at Bournemouth.

Credit to them both. No comparison necessary.
As much as I couldn't wait to see Howe leave Burnley, so bored was I with the football, I couldn't agree more with that. Incredible what's been achieved there and certainly incredible what's been achieved here.

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