Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

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Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Spijed » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:51 pm

When you can get 2 for the price of 1 in Barnes & Wood.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:52 pm

I think Wood has 12 Premier League goals now this season. Any player who gets close to 15 is a top Premier League forward. He can still get 15.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:53 pm

This stat is quite true but at the same time, highlights just how reliant upon this combination we are! Something to address in the summer months...

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by theroyaldyche » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:53 pm

hes turned out to be a fantastic signing has Wood
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm

Think Brighton and Cardiff would both accept one for the run in. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:55 pm

If Wood gets the service he'll score goals. Never really understood the stick he gets.
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Stayingup » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:54 pm

If we had a more creative midfield he 'Wood' have scored more. McNeil is creative and bang!!!teo today. Also no striker can be effective every game a d thats why opfions shoukd be available.
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:00 pm

If he could put away 1/3 of the simple tap in chances he gets he would be in the high 20’s per season

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:04 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:If he could put away 1/3 of the simple tap in chances he gets he would be in the high 20’s per season
Really? Seems pretty clinical to me. Although he did miss a sitter with his head.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:08 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:If he could put away 1/3 of the simple tap in chances he gets he would be in the high 20’s per season
So if he gets say 5 tap-ins per season (like today's second), then he ought to get 20, and that would be 20 out of 60? I doubt that Wood genuinely gets 60 easy tap-ins per season. Are you saying that a really competent forward (who can score two thirds of his tap-ins) ought to get close to 50 goals per season for Burnley?

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:11 pm

One twenty or two tens? Bit like buying cigarettes.
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Aclaret » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:13 pm

Harry Kane has 17, our boys are doing ok thanks.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:16 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:One twenty or two tens? Bit like buying cigarettes.
Two packs of ten would take up 2 of your 11 pockets.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:27 pm

Of the twenty players who have scored 11 or more (Wood and Barnes have 10 each, according to the Premier League website), as far as I can see only Vardy, King, Wilson, and Murray have never been sold for over £30m. And Vardy could have been if Leicester had accepted an offer. (Not sure about Milivojevic, but all but one of his have been penalties anyway.)

So an upgrade on Barnes and Wood wouldn't be easy.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by claretburns » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:28 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:One twenty or two tens? Bit like buying cigarettes.
You can't get 20 anymore only 19, but I'll take 19 goals from Wood or Barnes.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by duncandisorderly » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:32 pm

Having two strikers on 10 goals each with 4 games left is good going for a non top six side. 1 in 3 strikers
Having played more minutes, granted, but our boys are level with £50m Martial, £100m rated Rashford.

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If we pretend that penalties don't count then I think Wood would be even higher up that list.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by duncandisorderly » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:34 pm

dsr wrote:Of the twenty players who have scored 11 or more (Wood and Barnes have 10 each, according to the Premier League website), as far as I can see only Vardy, King, Wilson, and Murray have never been sold for over £30m. And Vardy could have been if Leicester had accepted an offer. (Not sure about Milivojevic, but all but one of his have been penalties anyway.)

So an upgrade on Barnes and Wood wouldn't be easy.
Indeed, and Wilson was valued at £50m in the january window so will likely go for over £30m this summer.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 pm

imagine how many our front two with get with a little better service

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:19 pm

dsr wrote:So if he gets say 5 tap-ins per season (like today's second), then he ought to get 20, and that would be 20 out of 60? I doubt that Wood genuinely gets 60 easy tap-ins per season. Are you saying that a really competent forward (who can score two thirds of his tap-ins) ought to get close to 50 goals per season for Burnley?
3 or 4 chances per game that he either misses or doesn’t attack.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Really? Seems pretty clinical to me. Although he did miss a sitter with his head.
Sitters every week, not sure if he has really had a run of confidence yet but so many simple ones get missed. On an attack his first instinct is to hold up play and pass. Dwight shows more confidence and strikers instinct.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:31 pm

Getting 10 goals a season for us at this level is not to be sniffed at, especially when our strikers are generally feeding off scraps. We should be looking to bring in a striker who is at least on a par with Barnes and Wood and can offer serious competition.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:53 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:3 or 4 chances per game that he either misses or doesn’t attack.
So over the season, that's between 114 and 152 good chances that he fails to take? Not many forwards score goals at that sort of rate. Wood can't be the only bad one out there! :)

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:56 pm

Where are the posters on here, who were calling Wood "the plank" and saying we should offload him back to Leeds and cut our losses.? To ssers.
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:16 am

dsr wrote:So over the season, that's between 114 and 152 good chances that he fails to take? Not many forwards score goals at that sort of rate. Wood can't be the only bad one out there! :)
:roll: And if he got 1/3 of them it would be fantastic. You can get by in the Championship with a low goal ratio to chance score, but it’s much tighter in this league.

We are making more than a fair share of chances, just need an out an out goal scorer.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:23 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote::roll: And if he got 1/3 of them it would be fantastic. You can get by in the Championship with a low goal ratio to chance score, but it’s much tighter in this league.

We are making more than a fair share of chances, just need an out an out goal scorer.
Such as?

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by dsr » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:38 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote::roll: And if he got 1/3 of them it would be fantastic. You can get by in the Championship with a low goal ratio to chance score, but it’s much tighter in this league.

We are making more than a fair share of chances, just need an out an out goal scorer.
Seeing as the thread title refers to 20 goal strikers, I thought I'd look up just what sort of player we are talking about. So these are the players in the last 5 seasons (including this one) who have scored 20 goals in a season, excluding penalties:

Sergio Aguero (twice)
Diego Costa
Harry Kane (3 times)
Romelu Lukaku
Mo Salah
Alexei Sanchez

And I think it's fair to assume that these players all had more chances than Wood, because they play for sides that have more of the ball in the opposition area. But this is the starting point, if you;re looking for players who can score at least 50% more of their chances - this is the sort of player we are looking for. Presumably.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:39 am

I don’t work in the recruitment team at Burnley but the likes of Payton must be wishing he was part of a later generation.
Of recent times an Austin would be a hero.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:06 am

jrgbfc wrote:We should be looking to bring in a striker who is at least on a par with Barnes and Wood and can offer serious competition.
For all we know that might be Vydra on the training ground, not quite good enough to break into the team but putting the wind up Wood & Barnes.

I don't think with Barnes & Wood we'll be looking at a major striker signing in summer, maybe someone to replace Crouch's place in the squad to make the numbers up. I still think we might recall Wells as it costs us nothing really.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:09 am

our money needs to spent in midfield, the rest is spot on
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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:08 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:I don’t work in the recruitment team at Burnley but the likes of Payton must be wishing he was part of a later generation.
Of recent times an Austin would be a hero.
Why does it matter what generation Payton played in? He wasn’t good enough for the top level when he played so he certainly wouldn’t have been good enough to play in the PL now.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:49 am

Rileybobs wrote:Why does it matter what generation Payton played in? He wasn’t good enough for the top level when he played so he certainly wouldn’t have been good enough to play in the PL now.
“Likes of Payton” a natural finisher/ poacher

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:25 am

Chelsea allegedly want £40 million for Batshuayi and he's an overrated bag of toss despite what some on here will claim about him :roll:

Admittedly Chelsea have that transfer ban for a couple of windows, but he's still not worth that much, so demanding a 20 goals a season striker is amusing when rubbish like him is being touted for that much.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am

CombatClaret wrote:For all we know that might be Vydra on the training ground, not quite good enough to break into the team but putting the wind up Wood & Barnes.

I don't think with Barnes & Wood we'll be looking at a major striker signing in summer, maybe someone to replace Crouch's place in the squad to make the numbers up. I still think we might recall Wells as it costs us nothing really.
It's not healthy to have Barnes and Wood know they are guaranteed to start every game no matter what though. What happens if one of them gets a bad injury? For me we should be looking to spend 15/20 million on a striker, I'd be looking at Bowen at Hull.

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Re: Who needs a 20 goal per season striker?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:27 am

Begs the question why Dyche wouldn't play the pair of them in the first half of the season. Plus there's more to forward play than just goals. We have a very rigid conservative system that means our midfield is more a functional than creative but at the level above us top strikers need a bit more to their game than what our pair offer. I'd love us to bring in an Ings style player but under our current system our two big lumps work perfectly

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