Notre Dame on Fire

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's already been decided who's to blame. And if it turns out that it's not "them" to blame then it's all a conspiracy, or something.

Courtesy of the smooth brains from /r/the_donald

Why do you hang around extremist websites?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:39 pm

Who really gives a shite,I certainly dont.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:51 pm

Incredibly sad. Was there 2 years ago today. Such a beautiful place.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:52 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Who really gives a shite,I certainly dont.

It's one of Europe's great landmarks. A beautiful building (or was) and that's why folk give a sh!te

But, the "all our thoughts go out to the Catholic people" and "our thoughts are with the French people" are a bit much.

It'll be up there with the Bataclan massacre for some on here.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's one of Europe's great landmarks. A beautiful building (or was) and that's why folk give a sh!te

But, the "all our thoughts go out to the Catholic people" and "our thoughts are with the French people" are a bit much.

It'll be up there with the Bataclan massacre for some on here.

Really? Thanks for the history lesson I still dont give a shite.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:55 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:it’s only a hunch, but I believe it might be arson

Wenger? He won’t have seen the incident.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:56 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Wenger? He won’t have seen the incident.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:57 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Really? Thanks for the history lesson I still dont give a shite.

Well I am going to have to point out the obvious......

You're on the wrong thread then Steve lad.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:00 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Well I am going to have to point out the obvious......

You're on the wrong thread then Steve lad.

Ok then....I'll sithee....still dont give a shite mind

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Damo wrote:Why do you hang around extremist websites?

Extremists like to hang around each others sites to see how extreme the other side is at a guess.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:14 pm

I was in Paris in 2016 filming a conference.

My colleague and I only had a few hours to get city shots, and I remember saying outside Notre Dame that I don’t get too downhearted not taking in the landmarks - as they will always be there.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:29 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Extremists like to hang around each others sites to see how extreme the other side is at a guess.

You're calling me an extremist. What extremist opinion do i hold?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:36 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're calling me an extremist. What extremist opinion do i hold?

*Warning, sense of humour failure occuring*

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:*Warning, sense of humour failure occuring*

The problem with that is that people read your "humour" and don't know it's humour. I've been called an extremist before on here an no one has ever been able to explain why.

It's ironic though, because i never call people an extremist for a joke (without it being blatantly obvious). I'm serious when i use terms like that, yet i'm also the one who is being accused of making the term meaningless, despite using it seriously and sparingly. It's never people like you who get criticised for it. In fact, i'm pretty sure you're one of those who criticise me.

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:41 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:Notice on the Sky video it was surrounded in scaffolding. Some sparky is sat at home bricking it right now.

Oh eck you are so right I'm a retired Sparky that did a service job at the Piccadilly Woolworths they day before it burned and I offloaded a couple of bricks that day. I worked at a lot of Woolworth stores and they have to take a lot of the blame and as for the Burnley store they had a cocnrete plenum packed full of stock, a disaster waiting to happen.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:47 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The problem with that is that people read your "humour" and don't know it's humour. I've been called an extremist before on here an no one has ever been able to explain why.

It's ironic though, because i never call people an extremist for a joke (without it being blatantly obvious). I'm serious when i use terms like that, yet i'm also the one who is being accused of making the term meaningless, despite using it seriously and sparingly. It's never people like you who get criticised for it. In fact, i'm pretty sure you're one of those who criticise me.

I'll add a smiley emoji next time for the literal people like you who've got very little in the way of a sense of humour.

You can go back to browsing extremist websites now, it's clearly how you like to spend your time

Edit* added smiley emoji

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:09 am

Before some moron posts it, yes, the video on social media, that was shared by your racist friend, of Muslims cheering the fire is fake.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:15 am

Thank goodness you're here turtloid to save us from ourselves.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:45 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:How are the renovations going?

Burning through the budget quickly.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Should have just dumped some water on it from Flying Water Tankers.

Obvious really.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:26 pm

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:34 pm

It were all right for half an hour but I'm bored of it, now. They're rallying round aren't they? Givenchy and stuff... Rallying round, aren't they...?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:58 pm

It horrific but like a lot of our precious buildings here government help was diminishing and they kept having to put vital repair work off for “more immediate” funding concerns. Now minds will be focused on getting it put right e.g. Windsor castle, and the nation suddenly notices their heritage again. Unfortunately will only fuel the Nationalist cause, whatever caused the fire.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:22 pm

Macron, what clown. How can he make such a ludicrous statement as it'll be repaired five years. There's a handful of people in the world with the skill set to restore a building like that, and most of them are already committed to restoration projects.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:52 pm

Caballo wrote:Macron, what clown. How can he make such a ludicrous statement as it'll be repaired five years. There's a handful of people in the world with the skill set to restore a building like that, and most of them are already committed to restoration projects.

Most of them. So... let me do the maths here.

All of them - most of them = some of them

Maybe some of them can do it since they're not committed to restoration projects.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:54 pm

Notre dame has been crumbling away for years. The recent restoration bill was quoted at €180m and their attempts to raise the funds needed only resulted in a promise of €50m from the French government. Travelling the world to scrape together funds yielded next to nothing.

The scaffolding goes up, most of the irreplaceable items are removed including the statues around the spire that burned down. And then it catches fire.

All of a sudden everyone is throwing money at them, with the current figure at €600m and rising.

I can't help thinking it all seems a bit "Cutty Sark", so I would check the restoration receipts for an Italian-made Planet 200 industrial vacuum cleaner.

Thankfully nobody was hurt, which is the most important thing. No building is worth a single human life regardless of its historic value.

How many lives could €600m save I wonder?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:38 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:How many lives could €600m save I wonder?

None, ultimately. Everyone dies. The money could put death off for a while.

We spend money on loads of things that are not essential. Buildings, football, pets, travel, a second pair of shoes, dining out, moving to a bigger house, space exploration, computers, TV. The list goes on. Ultimately we make choices that we are going to spend some of our money on our own pleasure and that money will not be spent on saving lives; every time we as individuals or as a country choose to spend money on non-essentials, we are failing to save lives. It's a decision we all have to make, and we all do make, unless we live the life of as hermit.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:22 am

Luckily no one died, so this fire was not a tragedy. I'm sure the 900 year history of the "building'" contain it's fair share of suffering, oppression, fear, etc. That's tragic...

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:47 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Most of them. So... let me do the maths here.

All of them - most of them = some of them

Maybe some of them can do it since they're not committed to restoration projects.

Congratulations Turtle, you've demonstrated your grasp of the English language, just not of the subject matter.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:12 am

Caballo wrote:Macron, what clown. How can he make such a ludicrous statement as it'll be repaired five years. There's a handful of people in the world with the skill set to restore a building like that, and most of them are already committed to restoration projects.

A British 'Master Mason' who was involved in the York Monster repairs said in a TV interview that unlike in the UK, France has many people schooled in these old skills as they have colleges that train them. In other words, he said they won't have a problem with recruiting skilled people.

I'm always a bit uncomfortable that large amounts of money can suddenly appear for these sorts of things - both privately and publicly sources - when more worthy causes exist. Where is the funding from the church itself?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:28 am

Hipper wrote:A British 'Master Mason' who was involved in the York Monster repairs said in a TV interview that unlike in the UK, France has many people schooled in these old skills as they have colleges that train them. In other words, he said they won't have a problem with recruiting skilled people.

I'm always a bit uncomfortable that large amounts of money can suddenly appear for these sorts of things - both privately and publicly sources - when more worthy causes exist. Where is the funding from the church itself?

I wouldn't expect the church to pay for it when they've got so many willing sheep to do it for them.
Look at the number of idiots who want to crawl up some stairs in Rome that they restored recently

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:57 am

Just announced its reached a Billion euros

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:14 pm

When the media announce that its not arson before the police investigation has even started you have your answer right there!

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:15 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:When the media announce that its not arson before the police investigation has even started you have your answer right there!

Care to expand on that further, rather talking in riddles?

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:21 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Who really gives a shite,I certainly dont.

That makes two of us and I am confident our little group will grow as the media drone on and on and on......

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:34 pm

Caballo wrote:Care to expand on that further, rather talking in riddles?

He’s read on infowars or some other nut job website that some brown person burnt it down.

He’s the type of person these extremists target.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:39 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:When the media announce that its not arson before the police investigation has even started you have your answer right there!

If it was arson to raise money, I'm sure they'd have made sure the fire alarm sent the firefighters to the right area so they didn't come within 30 minutes of losing the whole building.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:15 pm

Corky wrote:That makes two of us and I am confident our little group will grow as the media drone on and on and on......

Corky everytime since it happened it's the lead story,sick of it.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:41 pm

dsr wrote:None, ultimately. Everyone dies. The money could put death off for a while.

We spend money on loads of things that are not essential. Buildings, football, pets, travel, a second pair of shoes, dining out, moving to a bigger house, space exploration, computers, TV. The list goes on. Ultimately we make choices that we are going to spend some of our money on our own pleasure and that money will not be spent on saving lives; every time we as individuals or as a country choose to spend money on non-essentials, we are failing to save lives. It's a decision we all have to make, and we all do make, unless we live the life of as hermit.

that's an incredibly hard perspective DSR! the fund to rebuild Notre Dame breaks 1 billion, while the United Nations have so far failed to raise 300 million in support of the 1,000 deaths and the thousands homeless/properties destruyed in East Africa's cyclone...... why does the human race value a brick and mortar building over the lives of humans in Africa? And it's not because we all die sometime, it's an odd perception and association...

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:00 am

NRC wrote:that's an incredibly hard perspective DSR! the fund to rebuild Notre Dame breaks 1 billion, while the United Nations have so far failed to raise 300 million in support of the 1,000 deaths and the thousands homeless/properties destruyed in East Africa's cyclone...... why does the human race value a brick and mortar building over the lives of humans in Africa? And it's not because we all die sometime, it's an odd perception and association...

Why indeed? Think of anything that we spend over $300m on in the UK. $5 per head. Cars, Tobacco, wine, knitted sweaters, newspapers, two cups of coffee each per year, a non-league football match, one-fifth of a book about Burnley footballers. Why do we value these things more than these 1,000 lives in Africa? Because we can't save everyone. We save what we can, or perhaps we don't, but we don't bankrupt ourselves to do it.

Should I cancel my season ticket until all the people of Africa have been fed? Possibly I should. But I'm not altruistic enough to do that. Choices have to be made on what we spend our money on, and I'm willing to bet there is nobody on this message board who does not spend their own money, from choice, on something that pleases themselves rather than for the benefit of the dying in Africa. It isn't just me. If anyone can genuinely say they enjoy no luxuries at all because all non-essential cash goes to Africa, then I salute you. But for the rest of us, we do not reach the ideal of perfect love for our fellows.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:15 am

Steve1956 wrote:Who really gives a shite,I certainly dont.

Corky wrote:That makes two of us and I am confident our little group will grow as the media drone on and on and on......

Make that 3.I don't give a notre effing damn.

If Towneley Hall burned down that would make me very sad.

joey13 wrote:It’s a building

Come on joey,nail your colours...

sign up

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:45 am

Dazzler wrote:Make that 3.I don't give a notre effing damn.

If Towneley Hall burned down that would make me very sad.

Come on joey,nail your colours... sign up

You care so little that instead of just opening the thread to post how little you cared, you actually went and read all the posts so that you can quote the other people who also opened and posted in the thread to tell us how little they cared.

I think we've reached a peak with this level of inanity.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:26 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You care so little that instead of just opening the thread to post how little you cared, you actually went and read all the posts so that you can quote the other people who also opened and posted in the thread to tell us how little they cared.

I think we've reached a peak with this level of inanity.

I had a feeling you wouldn't be able to resist making a demeaning comment,that's why I did it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:12 am

Dazzler wrote:

I had a feeling you wouldn't be able to resist making a demeaning comment,that's why I did it.

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tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:36 pm

Meanwhile nearly 2 years on From Grenfell Tower where dozens from babies to the Elderly perished.......

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:48 pm

tim_noone wrote:Meanwhile nearly 2 years on From Grenfell Tower where dozens from babies to the Elderly perished.......

Quiet, please, can we keep please Grenfell quiet, keep talking Brexit, we don't want to know real people's losses. Working class, kiss my ass.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:29 pm

Buildings such as Notre Dame raise the spirits; buildings such as Grenfell depress them. Re Notre Dame the RC church gave it to to France hence Macrons tub thumping. 're Grenfell human tragedy but 850 years from now who will remember such a vile building ?

RogerBest · Post by **RogerBest** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 am

Notre Dame on fire

Your defence is terrified.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:13 pm

Dazzler wrote:Make that 3.I don't give a notre effing damn.

If Towneley Hall burned down that would make me very sad.

Come on joey,nail your colours... sign up

Ok I’m in , but only because the Bees survived