Guardiola on McNeil

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:51 am

In his post match press conference after the United game he said the usual "Burnley are complicated and so tough, they have Wood and Barnes and also McNeil - he is a top top player"

Hands off Pep !!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:57 am

£85m and a season long loan back to us and I may be tempted

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:06 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:£85m and a season long loan back to us and I may be tempted

that's Wood + Barnes sorted...but what about McNeil?

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:17 am

£85m and a season long loan back to us and I may be tempted,
that's Wood + Barnes sorted...but what about McNeil?,

Ill offer £95 million for both and £100Mil for McNeil with 4 season loan back on all 3 If you want more please ask, I represent a club who may have a few has beens who could be made as part of the deal (cant say who but Messi, and suarez are there surnames )

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:50 am

£80m and Mahrez or Sane with subsidised wages and you’ve got a deal. Go away Pep

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:32 am

Its a ploy from Gladioli - blowing smoke up Dwight's 'arris to hope it affects his game against City on Sunday...

For the Record - £250M spondoolees should just about do it...

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:48 am

He is a good judge.

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:05 am

Complicated and tough ? 5-0,5-0 he must have worked the puzzle out

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:05 am

Bob Paisley used to refer to that kind of thing as "giving them some toffee"

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:17 am

I do wonder if it is a ploy, however McNeil does have that attacking style and composure Pep likes to see.

Remember him having a go at Redmond? Redmond said he was being complimentary and if you watch the way Guardiola was talking to him it was the same way I've seen clips of him talking to Sterling in training, almost about how to use the ball - Redmond's game went completely after that and it wouldn't surprise me it it was because of his then manager (Puel/Hughes I can't remember).

Be interesting to see if McNeil can live up to expectations or struggle with the pressure of comments like that.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:25 am

All "mind games".
It's our defensive players/set-up he'll really be concentrating on in briefing his players. Though, obviously, also trying to cater for the Barnes/Wood combo.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:06 am

I hope he’s spitting feathers about Barnes, Wood, and McNeil by teatime on Sunday.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:20 am

Aside from Foden he's not exactly been great at promoting young players into the team. Fergie on the other hand was light years ahead in that respect.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:36 am

I doubt Pep has the slightest idea who any of our players are . Likely been given a few names in his brief and spouted the usual cliches . Not unlike when were on tv ,once we got to 2-2 all the “ well organised “ “ physical “ “ direct” “ difficult to break down “ “ old school centre half” ( describing Tarky) and other such cloth cap nonsense was spewing from the commentary team

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:39 am

It would be hilarious if we derail them on Sunday , can’t stand Man City even if they are good to watch, plastic club through and through

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:50 am

Manchester City, regardless of their massive wealth, are definitely not a “plastic” club.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:52 am

Well plastic is made using oil so...

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:19 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:I doubt Pep has the slightest idea who any of our players are . Likely been given a few names in his brief and spouted the usual cliches . Not unlike when were on tv ,once we got to 2-2 all the “ well organised “ “ physical “ “ direct” “ difficult to break down “ “ old school centre half” ( describing Tarky) and other such cloth cap nonsense was spewing from the commentary team

I would imagine quite the reverse and that an exceptional amount of time and effort goes into preparing for every game they play.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:22 pm

JTClaret wrote:I do wonder if it is a ploy, however McNeil does have that attacking style and composure Pep likes to see.

Remember him having a go at Redmond? Redmond said he was being complimentary and if you watch the way Guardiola was talking to him it was the same way I've seen clips of him talking to Sterling in training, almost about how to use the ball - Redmond's game went completely after that and it wouldn't surprise me it it was because of his then manager (Puel/Hughes I can't remember).

Be interesting to see if McNeil can live up to expectations or struggle with the pressure of comments like that.

Exactly this.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:24 pm

As long as some1 goes streyt thru kyle walker ill be happy

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:57 pm

Tinribs wrote:Complicated and tough ? 5-0,5-0 he must have worked the puzzle out

At the Etihad yes, it’s been a different story at the Turf during the Dyche years though, won one, lost one, drawn one scoring a total of three goals.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:05 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Manchester City, regardless of their massive wealth, are definitely not a “plastic” club.

What is a plastic club then? Do they buy players using Credit Cards?

Guardiola is a top mamanger and has assembled a great team. BUT they have all the money they need and have not made it by their own efforts. Maybe to some extent now they have but they havent got where they are by using their own made wealth. Do they own the ground? I dont think so and probably that was a big temptation to Sheik Mansur and his country - State - when they bought them

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:07 pm

Spijed wrote:Aside from Foden he's not exactly been great at promoting young players into the team. Fergie on the other hand was light years ahead in that respect.

That's a bit of a daft comparison given Ferguson's first two years were 1986-1988.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:21 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Manchester City, regardless of their massive wealth, are definitely not a “plastic” club.

Agree. Mostly real fans (Mancunians) and an ability to laugh at themselves (they needed it a few years ago). Yes they will have aquired a few plastics, they're bound to have with their success and money, but generally I don't begrudge them much. To be honest the title race is good for me because I don't care which of the two wins it. They are the best 2 of the so-called big six. I have no time for United or the London clubs (especially the cheating Gooners) and Chelsea fans are arrogant beyond belief.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:30 pm

Stayingup wrote:What is a plastic club then? Do they buy players using Credit Cards?

Guardiola is a top mamanger and has assembled a great team. BUT they have all the money they need and have not made it by their own efforts. Maybe to some extent now they have but they havent got where they are by using their own made wealth. Do they own the ground? I dont think so and probably that was a big temptation to Sheik Mansur and his country - State - when they bought them

Don’t really understand your point about the ground.
The ground is still owned by Manchester City Council who built it for the Commonwealth games.
When City moved there they gave their old ground to the council and agreed to pay the council £2m a year rent. Recently this was renegotiated and they now pay £4m a year but in return the council handed over stadium naming rights to Man City....which was not a bad deal for City as the owners agreed to a £350m ten year deal to name the stadium.
All above board and within FFP rules of course !

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:45 pm

TVC15 wrote:Don’t really understand your point about the ground.
The ground is still owned by Manchester City Council who built it for the Commonwealth games.
When City moved there they gave their old ground to the council and agreed to pay the council £2m a year rent. Recently this was renegotiated and they now pay £4m a year but in return the council handed over stadium naming rights to Man City....which was not a bad deal for City as the owners agreed to a £350m ten year deal to name the stadium.
All above board and within FFP rules of course !

You've answered my question ref the ground. I didn't know who owned it. But thats not the main point of my post

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:21 pm

Spijed wrote:Aside from Foden he's not exactly been great at promoting young players into the team. Fergie on the other hand was light years ahead in that respect.

Guardiola is THE most overrated manager ever.

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:33 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Guardiola is THE most overrated manager ever.

He managed arguably the greatest team football has ever seen at Barca and with City, he has brought a level of football never seen before in the Premier League...

If anything he’s underrated.

Neilhaj · Post by **Neilhaj** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:47 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:He managed arguably the greatest team football has ever seen at Barca and with City, he has brought a level of football never seen before in the Premier League...

If anything he’s underrated.

Totally agree, if you watch back their games you'll see the difference between teams, they put some serious work in on the training ground which shows on the pitch, their energy, their quickness to win the ball back, all of their players are confident with the ball and always have 2-3 players showing for the ball. I've never seen a team as good as city in my time watching English football (I'm 38) they are similar to burnley just but we don't have the skill and quickness and the majority of Burnley players think the ball is a bomb and hoof it as far away as they can

saying that we have started passing the ball forward more these last few months

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:53 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:He managed arguably the greatest team football has ever seen at Barca and with City, he has brought a level of football never seen before in the Premier League...

If anything he’s underrated.

Unlimited funds for transfers and wages helps a tiny little bit I reckon.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:55 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:He managed arguably the greatest team football has ever seen at Barca and with City, he has brought a level of football never seen before in the Premier League...

If anything he’s underrated.

He has won the league at city (but didn't with the team he inherited). But has constantly under achieved with them in Europe. Much as he did with Bayern.

He hasn't won the champions league for almost ten years!!!

He managed Bayern when they had an incredible team. When Germany were the dominant force in world football and Bayerns team consisted of most of those players. Neuer, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mueller along with a peak Xabi Alonso, Robben, Ribery and Lewandowski.

Flatters to deceive in my opinion.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:14 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:He has won the league at city (but didn't with the team he inherited). But has constantly under achieved with them in Europe. Much as he did with Bayern.

He hasn't won the champions league for almost ten years!!!

He managed Bayern when they had an incredible team. When Germany were the dominant force in world football and Bayerns team consisted of most of those players. Neuer, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mueller along with a peak Xabi Alonso, Robben, Ribery and Lewandowski.

Flatters to deceive in my opinion.

Jupp Heynckes built the foundations for Bayern Munich's success yet Guardiola couldn't win another Champions league despite having some world class players at his disposal.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:28 pm

Not winning the champions league is not failure.

You need luck to win it, everything going your way. Like not missing a penalty against Spurs or VAR not showing all the angles of a handball goal scored against you.
The clubs you have to beat are amazing. There's only one club can win it every year.

He's broken records galore in the premier league, the best coach we have had the pleasure of over here.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Not winning the champions league is not failure.

You need luck to win it, everything going your way. Like not missing a penalty against Spurs or VAR not showing all the angles of a handball goal scored against you.
The clubs you have to beat are amazing. There's only one club can win it every year.

He's broken records galore in the premier league, the best coach we have had the pleasure of over here.

So he got lucky with his two wins with Barcelona.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:37 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:He's broken records galore in the premier league, the best coach we have had the pleasure of over here.

José Mourinho broke records when Chelsea got 95 points in 2004/05 yet it doesn't make him a better manager than Fergie who's never got the same points total at Man U.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:38 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So he got lucky with his two wins with Barcelona.

I'm sure he needed some luck at some stage.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:41 pm

Spijed wrote:José Mourinho broke records when Chelsea got 95 points in 2004/05 yet it doesn't make him a better manager than Fergie who's never got the same points total at Man U.

Fergie got lucky, the best crop of youngsters ever (numbers wise) came at the right time and they didn't have much competition for years.
The amount of draws and last minute Steve Bruce winning headers wouldn't cut the mustard these days.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:09 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Fergie got lucky, the best crop of youngsters ever (numbers wise) came at the right time and they didn't have much competition for years.
The amount of draws and last minute Steve Bruce winning headers wouldn't cut the mustard these days.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:15 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Not winning the champions league is not failure.

It most certainly is for clubs such as Real Madrid.

Even Fergie knew he had to win it and it's part of Liverpool's history.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:58 am

Pep Guardiola is a God in Catalunya. Ge won 6 out of 6 trophies, in a season, with his team.

He has transformed the style of football played by City.

He remains polite in victory and defeat.

He deserves applause.

The Dyche is the same, for us.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:16 pm

Not sure how people can say Guardiola isn't a good manager.

Yes, he's had all the money in the world to spend, and obviously that helps. However over the last 20/30 years there have been a lot of premier league managers who have had the ability to spend crazy money and 'buy the league'... some go through lots of managers because they don't like the style, results, tactics, some stay, spend lots of money and win trophies... but none have come in with the reputation Guardiola had and still create the style, a winning style - A style many said 'you couldn't do in the Premier League', but he has.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:21 pm

IanMcL wrote:He remains polite in victory and defeat.

Not true. Although not very often when he loses he isn't polite at all. See Wigan in FA Cup for example.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:24 pm

He's the best manager in the world.

Whatsupdoc · Post by **Whatsupdoc** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:10 pm

Was complimentary about us after the game last year. Described us as “this most English of English clubs”.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:35 pm

McNeil fully deserves the plaudit from one the top managers in football. Proud to be a Claret.