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Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:35 pm

Their player got injured earlier and Villa put the ball out. Minutes later Villa player goes down and Leeds carry on.

Leeds have now carried on after a Villa injury and score.

Ref now sends Villa's player off and will miss a playoff game.

Unbelievable.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Bertiebeehead » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pm

Lovely team

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pm

will leeds allow a walk in goal

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Now Leeds let Villa score its too late - Villa are a player down!

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Now if Leeds let Villa score its too late - Villa are a player down!


which is why they allowed the walk-in

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby ElectroClaret » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:39 pm

Amazing scenes...never seen owt like this. :shock:

Bamford....absolute disgrace, feigned an elbow, gets a man sent off.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby duncandisorderly » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:40 pm

Bamford blatant dive to get their man sent off, hopefully rescinded.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby ksrclaret » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:42 pm

Patrick Bamford feigned a punch in the face to get a Villa
player sent off

What a pathetic little pussy that ‘boy’ is. Should be ashamed of himself

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby duncandisorderly » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:42 pm

The worst part about the goal was the Leeds full back feigning to put the ball out before playing his man in.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Bosscat » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:44 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Patrick Bamford feigned a punch in the face to get a Villa
player sent off

What a pathetic little pussy that ‘boy’ is. Should be ashamed of himself

Obviously why Dyche sent him on his way after the loan here a couple of seasons ago...

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby joey13 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:44 pm

Pointless Leeds allowing the walk in goal as they did it begrudgingly, no class

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby duncandisorderly » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:45 pm

joey13 wrote:Pointless Leeds allowing the walk in goal as they did it begrudgingly, no class



TBF, it was only their centre half who wasn't having it, the rest of the team took it in fair grace.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:45 pm

joey13 wrote:Pointless Leeds allowing the walk in goal as they did it begrudgingly, no class


Manager's orders - players not happy but manager showed his power

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby NRC » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:46 pm

In the build-up, Kodjia is fouled and goes down, looking to be injured as Aston Villa stop in their tracks and ask for Leeds to put it out. Roberts slows the game down as if he is going to - but he doesn't.

Glich is fed down the left-hand side by Roberts and he looks and he gets into an almost empty box and curls home past Steer. The defenders are nowhere near by, they had hoped Leeds were going to stop.

After the whole aftermath of the goal is sorted out, Bielsa is telling his team to let Aston Villa go and score at the other end to make up for the fact his side did not stop when Kodjia was injured.

Jansson races Adomah down, trying to stop him, but he of course scores. Jansson's team-mates and manager are telling him off as he was told to let Aston Villa score

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Zom Zom » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:46 pm

joey13 wrote:Pointless Leeds allowing the walk in goal as they did it begrudgingly, no class

Bielsa insisted they allow a Villa goal. It was their cheating defender who almost spoilt it.

And Bamford?
Tosser.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby ClaretMoffitt » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:47 pm

He cried in his car...

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby joey13 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Manager's orders - players not happy but manager showed his power

Yes and then the manager was whining at Terry after the walk in , no class

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby DomBFC1882 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:03 pm

Scummy Leeds I bloody hate em
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Vegas Claret » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:04 pm

you would expect the Villa lad to have the red rescinded and Bamford to get a ban for deceiving the ref
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:10 pm

This^^^. Worst case of simulation this season.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Imploding Turtle » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:16 pm

Yep. That'll be oveturned https://streamable.com/bqz0i

And hopefully Bamford gets some action taken against him. A ban of equal length to what his victim would have got would be nice.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Imploding Turtle » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:19 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:This^^^. Worst case of simulation this season.



You not see Luiz last week?

https://twitter.com/Zander_mufc/status/ ... 8846313472
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby exilecanada » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep. That'll be oveturned https://streamable.com/bqz0i

And hopefully Bamford gets some action taken against him. A ban of equal length to what his victim would have got would be nice.



That's inexcusable :shock:

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby aggi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:00 pm

Personally I think it's down to the ref to stop it or play on.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:01 pm

Not like we ever do such a thing. Even against bloody lincoln!!!

And who could forget Barnes against Southampton?
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Taffy on the wing » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:08 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Amazing scenes...never seen owt like this. :shock:

Bamford....absolute disgrace, feigned an elbow, gets a man sent off.

Now you know why Dyche wouldn't play him

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby ClaretMoffitt » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep. That'll be oveturned https://streamable.com/bqz0i

And hopefully Bamford gets some action taken against him. A ban of equal length to what his victim would have got would be nice.


This ^

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:19 pm

As mentioned straight after the final whistle they said they think the red card will be rescinded. I'd be surprised it isn't.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Imploding Turtle » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:53 pm

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this Leeds goal. They shouldn't have given the goal back.

https://v.redd.it/xwnyt1pub0v21

Edit: skip ahead to 4:00 to see a replay of the challenge the Villa player is claiming to have injured him.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:And who could forget Barnes against Southampton?


You’ll get a bite with that one day. Hang in there champ.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Winstonswhite » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:53 pm

IT is correct for once. Leeds fully entitled to carry on, for one it wasn’t a head injury and secondly I’m not even sure it was a foul. Villa switched off and completely to blame.

As for Bamford, get him banned. It was almost as bad a the Rivaldo one the diving ****.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:04 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:IT is correct for once. Leeds fully entitled to carry on, for one it wasn’t a head injury and secondly I’m not even sure it was a foul. Villa switched off and completely to blame.

As for Bamford, get him banned. It was almost as bad a the Rivaldo one the diving ****.


Villa were entitled to carry on earlier in the game - they kicked the ball out. No way were Leeds right to carry on.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Winstonswhite » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Villa were entitled to carry on earlier in the game - they kicked the ball out. No way were Leeds right to carry on.


Villa didn’t have to play it out. Up to the ref these days- and rightly so. Half wits diving all over the place, then asking to put it out? Do me a favour. No, you’re letting your hatred of Leeds get in the way of facts Frank.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:12 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Villa didn’t have to play it out. Up to the ref these days- and rightly so. Half wits diving all over the place, then asking to put it out? Do me a favour. No, you’re letting your hatred of Leeds get in the way of facts Frank.


I disagree.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Rileybobs » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:18 pm

I don’t like teams kicking the ball into touch. The referee should be the only one who can stop the game and unless the injury seems serious or is to the head then there is no need for the game to stop.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby martin_p » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:19 pm

Nothing wrong with Leeds’ goal. Bamford should be banned though.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Longsidebovril » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:25 pm

Apparently during the kerfuffle after the Leeds goal.... a lot of money was lumped on by pro gamblers in Villa to score next!!!

Shrewd.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Fretters » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:32 pm

Nobody seems to have mentioned that the Leeds goal was offside anyway.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Steve1956 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:36 pm

Just seen the play acting by Bamford,shocking should be banned for what he did.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:36 pm

It's all about morals and sportsmanship. Villa kicked the ball out when they were on the ball but put it out of play. The referee often doesn't blow the whistle, but one of the players puts it out so the player can receive treatment. Villa did that and expected that Leeds did the same in return. They didn't - twice. There was an earlier one moment in the game when Leeds once again refused to kick it out of play.

If Leeds really did "nothing wrong", then Bielsa wouldn't have done anything of the sort to ask his players to let Villa score. He did it because he knows his players should have kicked it out of play. The correct result in the end and hopefully the red card is rescinded.

A cracking playoff final beckons...
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby martin_p » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It's all about morals and sportsmanship. Villa kicked the ball out when they were on the ball but put it out of play. The referee often doesn't blow the whistle, but one of the players puts it out so the player can receive treatment. Villa did that and expected that Leeds did the same in return. They didn't - twice. There was an earlier one moment in the game when Leeds once again refused to kick it out of play.

If Leeds really did "nothing wrong", then Bielsa wouldn't have done anything of the sort to ask his players to let Villa score. He did it because he knows his players should have kicked it out of play. The correct result in the end and hopefully the red card is rescinded.

A cracking playoff final beckons...


No, absolutely wrong in my opinion. The onus was moved to the referee to stop the game to stop this sort of thing happening. Leeds have no duty, either by the laws or morals of the game to put the ball out. I didn’t see the game (just the incident in question) but apparently it wasn’t the first time this particular Villa player had stayed down, only to skip away like nothing had happened after a bit of treatment. If this had happened at the Turf I certainly would have been urging our players to play on.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Claret » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:55 pm

martin_p wrote:No, absolutely wrong in my opinion. The onus was moved to the referee to stop the game to stop this sort of thing happening. Leeds have no duty, either by the laws or morals of the game to put the ball out. I didn’t see the game (just the incident in question) but apparently it wasn’t the first time this particular Villa player had stayed down, only to skip away like nothing had happened after a bit of treatment. If this had happened at the Turf I certainly would have been urging our players to play on.

I agree.
Villa player took a dive whilst nearly fouling the Leeds player. All this bloody nonsense about kicking the ball out needs to be stopped and it should be up to the ref 100% whether to stop play. There’s just too much play acting and cheating.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Winstonswhite » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:17 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It's all about morals and sportsmanship. Villa kicked the ball out when they were on the ball but put it out of play. The referee often doesn't blow the whistle, but one of the players puts it out so the player can receive treatment. Villa did that and expected that Leeds did the same in return. They didn't - twice. There was an earlier one moment in the game when Leeds once again refused to kick it out of play.

If Leeds really did "nothing wrong", then Bielsa wouldn't have done anything of the sort to ask his players to let Villa score. He did it because he knows his players should have kicked it out of play. The correct result in the end and hopefully the red card is rescinded.

A cracking playoff final beckons...


Frank has spoken. Lump on it not being an Aston Villa vs Leeds play off final everyone.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby TVC15 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:24 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Not like we ever do such a thing. Even against bloody lincoln!!!

And who could forget Barnes against Southampton?


I’ve forgotten - remind me what did he do ?
Oh and btw is there anything at all you like about the club ?

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Woonderbah » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:34 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Just seen the play acting by Bamford,shocking should be banned for what he did.


He might get a ban that rules him out the play offs.
Naive thing to do with cameras covering every angle.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby Steve1956 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:36 pm

Woonderbah wrote:He might get a ban that rules him out the play offs.
Naive thing to do with cameras covering every angle.

It looked like he'd seen a ghost,pretty pathetic from posh boy.

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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby conyoviejo » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:49 pm

Woonderbah wrote:He might get a ban that rules him out the play offs.
Naive thing to do with cameras covering every angle.


I hope not,he's Phookin useless,leave him in their team.. :D
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby tim_noone » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:53 pm

TVC15 wrote:I’ve forgotten - remind me what did he do ?
Oh and btw is there anything at all you like about the club ?

Can't believe you've taken the bait....
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:07 pm

Fretters wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned that the Leeds goal was offside anyway.


And it's not even close. Interestingly, if the assistant had done his job, none of the rest would have happened.

As for Bamford, that little mard arse needs dealing with for that. Absolute disgrace.
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Re: Leeds - shocking

Postby DCWat » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And it's not even close. Interestingly, if the assistant had done his job, none of the rest would have happened.

As for Bamford, that little mard arse needs dealing with for that. Absolute disgrace.


My best mate (Leeds fan) doesn’t half slate Bamford! Appreciates that he has quality on occasion but consistently inconsistent and lacks any instinct where thought comes into it.


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