Realistic Lineup for next season?

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by JTClaret » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:55 pm

Not much different from yesterday.

Heaton (Hart to go unless Pope is sold)
Lowton (Young back-up wanted)
Tarks (Long is back-up)
Mee (Gibson is back-up)
Taylor (Back-up if required)
Hendrick/JBG (New as doesn't look as though Lennon will be able to do anything more than run it out of play)
Westwood/Cork
New (Assuming Defour will never be back and a strong playmaker would be ideal)
McNeil (Brady is back-up, as is JBG)
Wood (Will Crouch be around or good enough? Back up could be needed)
Barnes (Will Vydra ever be good enough? Back up could be needed)

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Flat Stanley » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:58 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:Honestly that team doesn’t look any better than our current first team
I was trying to include some realistic possible signings. Doubt we will get more than one though. Think that team would have more creativity and pace than we currently have.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by aggi » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:03 pm

claretspice wrote:Don't really get this to be honest, and I see it a lot.

Lennon may not be the best player we have - and no one would genuinely say they expected him to be a first team regular next season - but as a squad player, capable of stepping into the team in the case of injury, or coming off the bench to add a different, pacey threat, I think he could be a hugely valuable asset next season.
Realistically though if we want a winger upgrade (or just something different) then one of them probably has to go and Lennon is probably the worst out of our current wingers.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:07 pm

IanMcL wrote:Pope
Lowton
Gibson
Mee
Taylor
New Westwood Defour McNeil
Vydra Barnes
'Kin hell! I knew you were clueless about football.

This just confirms it! :lol:

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by criminalclaret » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:No I mean the guy who is still getting paid by the club till the end of his contract will be leaving so will be off the wage bill and we will have a spare place in the squad.

What’s your point exactly ?
He ended his contract the day he retired, he isn't on our books anymore. Plus Ipswich were paying most, if not all, of his wages to he hasn't been a burden on our books for a good while.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by nyclaret » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:19 pm

thatdberight wrote:Scott Sellers, Head of Academy at Wolves and ex Academy coach at Man City reckons that's nonsense in an interview I saw a couple of weeks back. He wasn't a centre-back but seems qualified to give an opinion.
Deschamp stated that he didn't include Laporte in his World Cup squad because they can't have two left-footed centre backs.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by claretspice » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:21 pm

aggi wrote:Realistically though if we want a winger upgrade (or just something different) then one of them probably has to go and Lennon is probably the worst out of our current wingers.
I wouldn't say wide midfield is a particular priority to strengthen though - as you rightly say, we're not short of numbers and the fact Lennon is simply back up as it stands demonstrates we aren't especially short on quality.

I'd like to see us add a flexible forward with a bit of pace who can play centrally or out wide to add another option across the front. That would give us 12 first team squad players for 6 positions in front of the back 4, which is about right. Of course that assumes that in order to accommodate the new midfielder we all seem to agree is desirable, Defour is moved out, and if that's not possible then perhaps the possibility of Lennon moving becomes more likely- but I wouldn't underestimate the value of good experienced squad players.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by TVC15 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:24 pm

criminalclaret wrote:He ended his contract the day he retired, he isn't on our books anymore. Plus Ipswich were paying most, if not all, of his wages to he hasn't been a burden on our books for a good while.
I doubt he would give up half a million in wages that contractually he wasn’t obliged to - but happy for you to prove me wrong and post a link saying he terminated his contract early.
I also doubt very much that Ipswich were paying most / if not all his wage - but again post the link to prove it.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:33 pm

fidelcastro wrote:'Kin hell! I knew you were clueless about football.

This just confirms it! :lol:
Hello Fidel

Tarkowski will probably get sold, otherwise no change.
Vydra is speedier and sharper than Wood.
Pope is the best keeper.
Defour is the best midfield player.
Room for upgrade, perhaps, on the right.

Not much different to others.

Nonetheless, always good to know you care.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by thatdberight » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:56 pm

nyclaret wrote:Deschamp stated that he didn't include Laporte in his World Cup squad because they can't have two left-footed centre backs.
He did. I just didn't want you to believe this was a universally held view by all those in football.
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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:10 pm

IanMcL wrote:Hello Fidel

Tarkowski will probably get sold, otherwise no change.
Vydra is speedier and sharper than Wood.
Pope is the best keeper.
Defour is the best midfield player.
Room for upgrade, perhaps, on the right.

Not much different to others.

Nonetheless, always good to know you care.
A lot of assumptions there, Ian, based on nothing at all!

No one knows if tarks will be sold!

You have no idea whether Vydra would be any better than wood yet, because we simply haven't seen enough of him.

Heaton has done nothing to warrant losing his place! (According to you he was going to Everton not long ago!) :lol:

Defour is never fit! (According to you he was China bound!) :lol:

I'll agree that we perhaps need an upgrade on the right... although gudmondsson may have something to say about that! ;)

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:11 pm

Pleased to see agreement.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Firthy » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:34 pm

Flat Stanley wrote:Heaton/Pope
Lowton/New Tarks/Gibson (if Tarks goes) Mee Taylor
Mendez-laing (Cardiff)/JBG Westwood/Cork Cairney (Fulham)/Mooy (Huddersfield) McNeil
Babel (Fulham)/ Rodriguez (West Brom)/Barnes

I can dream!
You'd seriously prefer Babel and Rodriguez to Wood. Not for me I'm afraid.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:06 pm

Firthy wrote:You'd seriously prefer Babel and Rodriguez to Wood. Not for me I'm afraid.
Not sure why posters would want to see Wood or Barnes replaced next season.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:44 pm

Does it really matter whether Walter's is still technically a Burnley player or not?? He won't be come the 1st July.

Usual posters arguing the toss and ensuring they get the last word on on a pretty meaningless subject....

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Does it really matter whether Walters is still technically a Burnley player or not?? He won't be come the 1st July.

Usual posters arguing the toss and ensuring they get the last word on on a pretty meaningless subject....
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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Flat Stanley » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:41 pm

Firthy wrote:You'd seriously prefer Babel and Rodriguez to Wood. Not for me I'm afraid.
Yes, Wood does not do enough for me. Need something different. A bit of pace and creativity to go with the hustle and bustle.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Spike » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:No I mean the guy who is still getting paid by the club till the end of his contract will be leaving so will be off the wage bill and we will have a spare place in the squad.

What’s your point exactly ?
Bardsley has already signed a contract extension

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by jurek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:56 pm

I think it would foolish and complacent to say that the current team/squad
is good enough to push us up the table and far away from relegation struggles
albeit, as a few posters have said, our form since Xmas would put us
near, if not in the top 6.

However, I do think the board and Dyche will realise that we do need to bring
one or two in (who can challenge for a start) and it may be more if we lose one or two.

Crouch, Walters, Ward and one or two others possibly will more than likely leave
so we'll need a few more in as replacements.

It will be interesting to see who we manage to get in and whether any of them will be
from further afield than the Championship?

It's going to be pretty difficult, me thinks, for us to be challenging teams like
Leicester, Wolves, Everton and Watford for a top ten place without improving
a good notch or two.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:37 am

GK Heaton ( sharing games )
GK Pope ( sharing games )
GK Lindegaard

LB Taylor
LB Ward ( Backup )

RB Lowton
RB Bardsley ( sharing first slot with Lowton depending on tactics )

CBL Mee
CBL Gibson ( Backup )
CBR Tarks
CBR Long ( Backup )

LW McNeill
LW Brady ( tough injury, full recovery takes time, will be back to his best next season )

RW Hendrick ( excellent this season, loved his peach of a goal against Chelsea )
RW JBG ( quality player, sharing first slot with Hendrick depending on tactics )

LW/RW Lennon (Backup)

CM Westwood
CM Cork
CM Benjamin Bourigeaud ( midfield utility )
CM Defour ( if he stays, if he plays )

AM Alan Browne ( backup CM )

STR Barnes
STR Wood
STR Vydra
STR Albian Ajeti or Robin Quaison ( backup attacking midfield ) or Callum Robinson ( backup winger )

* Possible new additions

To Leave

Hart, Crouch ( we need 90 minute men, podcast is great ), Wells ( done good at QPR, enjoying his football, would be on the bench again if he stays ) and Walters.

Could Leave

Defour ( Happy to keep him, his recent OP could have fixed everything, hard to say )
Lennon ( Happy to keep him, but Robinson, Brady and Bourigeaud could play on the right / JBG on the left )
Lindegaard ( Happy to keep him as no 3, did well against Aberdeen, up to him )
Ward ( Happy to keep him, Greg Taylor wouldn't be ready if we brought him in )

Possible Destinations

Wells, Lennon and Ward would fit in well at Preston and Alex Neil is looking to add some experience to his team.

QPR are broke, Joe Lumley and Eze are the only players of possible interest if they want to trade for Wells. Lindegaard could suit them as a replacement for Lumley.

U23 Additions

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by TVC15 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:03 am

Spike wrote:Bardsley has already signed a contract extension
Has he ?
Not seen anything reported.
Think he will though - if he hasn’t already

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by lanky22222 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:25 am

GK: Heaton, Pope, Lindegaard

RB: NEW, Lowton. (Tough one, as Bardsley is playing well but his contract is expiring)
CB: Tarkowski, Long
CB: Mee, GIbson
LB: Taylor, NEW

RM: NEW, Gudmundsson
CM: Westwood, Cork
CM: NEW, Hendrick
LM: McNeil, Brady

ST: Barnes, NEW
ST: Wood, NEW

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:32 am

All depends on who stays or goes.
Tarks hasn’t enhanced his reputation for me this time around and could well stay, I would be happy over that.
Bardsley has done enough to warrant another year and can battle for the shirt with a rejuvenated Lowton.
Rumour that Ward wants to move nearer home and with his age I can see him moving on. Thanks for all he’s given us. Brady can back up Taylor and MacNeil down the left but a young LB would be a bonus.
JBG had a tough year with injuries but a Summer off and a good pre-season should see him back to his best. MacNeil starts.
CM is the problem. Westwood has been excellent and could keep his place as our allrounder. Cork has improved second half of year but still looks lightweight against physical opposition.
If Boro don’t come up I wouldn't object to us poaching Jon Obi Mikel, even if we only got a season out of him. Hendrick is back up for everywhere, our Paul Madeley.

Barnes and Wood are set in stone now. Unsure whether Vydra would want another year on the bench. He could go.

It’ll be an interesting window and I pray we do our work early and bed the new guys in but don’t expect it. The usual problem of players hanging on for better offers will see most of our buys coming in the last few days.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by vinrogue » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:32 am

Any 11 that can finish 17th or better, a bit like this season then! ;)

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Firthy » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:02 pm

Flat Stanley wrote:Yes, Wood does not do enough for me. Need something different. A bit of pace and creativity to go with the hustle and bustle.
Fully agree we need a striker with pace and creativity but to play alongside Wood or Barnes, not replace either of them.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Flat Stanley » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:16 pm

Firthy wrote:Fully agree we need a striker with pace and creativity but to play alongside Wood or Barnes, not replace either of them.
Agree, Barnes and Wood won't be going anywhere so someone to play alongside one of them needed

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Ilkley claret » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:29 pm

Our recruitment policy hinges on who is available at the right price and is reactive to what everyone else is doing.

Recent windows have shown that if we and try and target players they go elsewhere for more money.

Current squad will be largely the one we start with, whether it will be enough only time will tell.

We should not fear relegation over bankruptcy

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:44 pm

what date does the transfer window open ? :D

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by KippaxFifaHD » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:58 pm

nyclaret wrote:Deschamp stated that he didn't include Laporte in his World Cup squad because they can't have two left-footed centre backs.
I don't see how it's different to having 2 right-footers playing there. Liverpool, a team with 90+ points, play with Van Dijk and Matip/Lovren, all right footed. Man United under Fergie played with Vidic and Ferdinand, who are both right footed. Even Real Madrid, the EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS, have Ramos and Varane, both right footed. It can't make that much difference surely if all of the above teams have achieved success playing that way.

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:00 pm

Outs:
Hart
Ward
Crouch
Defour
Wells
Ledgzins
Vydra (possibly give him a chance which he may get in the last two games)

These departures albeit not generating much income would free up considerable room on the wage bill.

Ins:
Just a few thoughts, obviously depending on availability etc.

Che Adams - much needed quick striker
Reece James - right back loan cover
Ezri Konsa - replacement for Tarkowski if he leaves
Benkovic - likewise with Tarkowski (Celtic)
Camarasa - (on loan at Cardiff)
Wanyama - fitness and wage dependant
Ward Prowse - if available
Harry Wilson - possible loan
Ryan Kent - possible loan

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Re: Realistic Lineup for next season?

Post by nyclaret » Wed May 08, 2019 10:41 am

KippaxFifaHD wrote:I don't see how it's different to having 2 right-footers playing there. Liverpool, a team with 90+ points, play with Van Dijk and Matip/Lovren, all right footed. Man United under Fergie played with Vidic and Ferdinand, who are both right footed. Even Real Madrid, the EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS, have Ramos and Varane, both right footed. It can't make that much difference surely if all of the above teams have achieved success playing that way.
It's because left-footed defenders are used to playing on the left side their whole career, even from when they started as a kid. How many left footed right backs do you come across? There's a lot more right footed players capable at playing left back because generally they have played on the left at some point.

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