Club statement: Zero tolerance

[jdrobbo]

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[Rileybobs]

Cheers, I’ve entered. Fingers crossed!!

[Burnley1989]

Cheers, I’ve entered. Fingers crossed!!

Same, love a good competition

[Bordeauxclaret]

Entered as well. Thanks for the heads up.

[Local cricketer]

Brilliant competition! I'm in

[jrgbfc]

If people from Ladbrokes are actively trying to tap people up before the game it's pretty bad tbh. It feels like Garlick and the Board are happy to sell our soul and try and wring every last penny out of being in the Prem, no matter where it comes from.

[ClaretTony]

Alright you laughing and saying you've entered but it shows the club don't give a damn about mental health. Incredibly some bloke was coming round the concourse pre-match today pestering people to have a bet. Is there no end to it?

Doesn't affect me personally, I'm not a gambler, but I have my own issues and I know for some it is gambling.

[ClaretTony]

If people from Ladbrokes are actively trying to tap people up before the game it's pretty bad tbh. It feels like Garlick and the Board are happy to sell our soul and try and wring every last penny out of being in the Prem, no matter where it comes from.

Hadn't seen jdrobbo's initial post when I posted but they were more than actively tapping people up.

[wilks_bfc]

It does make it feel like the “heads up” was just a box ticking exercise by the club.

In fact I’m not even sure things went to plan prior to kick off.

We can layer the clip, the Peterborough players lined up around the centre circle, our players mooched around a little then the game started.

I don’t know about anybody else but I was expecting a “minutes silence” type thing to reflect on - like the recent campaign on tv was

[Granny WeatherWax]

Was anything meant to happen regarding the 1 min or did I completely miss it?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Totally agree John. We’re not in the Championship struggling for cash - player and supporter welfare is of primary Importance, grabbing a few quid (at the most a few million) that doesn’t make a huge difference on the pitch shouldn’t be worth it if even one life is ruined by these promotions (and more than one will be, that’s heavily odds on, if you pardon the pun).

[ClaretTony]

Was anything meant to happen regarding the 1 min or did I completely miss it?

Don't think anything was meant to happen with the players - just kicking off a minute later

[DCWat]

Totally agree John. We’re not in the Championship struggling for cash - player and supporter welfare is of primary Importance, grabbing a few quid (at the most a few million) that doesn’t make a huge difference on the pitch shouldn’t be worth it if even one life is ruined by these promotions (and more than one will be, that’s heavily odds on, if you pardon the pun).

I’m not advocating the gambling promotions but a few million is a significant chunk of a decent players wages.

[jrgbfc]

Maybe we should have someone from Carlsberg trying to sell beer to kids when their parents backs are turned? Think of the extra cash we could make.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Don't think anything was meant to happen with the players - just kicking off a minute later

You’d have thought there would be an announcement in the ground and perhaps that video which has been made played for the 1 min.

[Kevwando]

Didn’t want to start a new thread but wanted to very quickly post my disappointment about the disparity (in my opinion) that still continues to take place at Turf Moor: Promotion of gambling where it generally isn’t needed.

In a nutshell...

All week we’ve been told by the club to take a minute to think about our mental health.

After a lot of fans last season voiced their concerns about the club’s advertising of gambling initiatives, as well as the excellent work being done behind the scenes by the Supporters Group, I felt like the club had really addressed this issue, as we lost the big Ladbrokes banners on the CFS; replaced by Children with Cancer banners, albeit an associate of Ladbrokes.

Just after Christmas the club released a Ladbrokes tweet saying that they were giving free Burnley shirts away...however to be in with a chance, you HAD to register your details with Ladbrokes.

Last night, the club heavily pushed today’s mental health awareness details. I replied, saying how good an idea I felt it was and that I hoped on today if all days, that the club would not push Ladbrokes betting onto us...don’t forget, we were told that we’d ‘Be Suckers not to...(have a bet), just seconds after advertising last seasons mental health awareness day.

So onto today...a further release about mental health, only to be followed by Ladbrokes endorsements, this time giving fans the opportunity to win Leicester City tickets...again though you’d HAVE to register with Ladbrokes! I was saddened by this.

However, the thing that has got my goat the most and this is the main point I’d like to put out there...ten minutes before kick off today, I was on the concourse (Longside Upper) having a conversation with three people...during that conversation I was tapped on the shoulder by a member of Ladbrokes staff, hands filled with betting sheets and small pens, to be asked, “Have you considered placing a bet with us today sir?”

At that point, the club starting playing their mental health audio and video...the disparity is shocking and I’m really frustrated that the club day they think mental matters, when this behaviour takes place INSIDE THE GROUND!!

I know people will totally disagree with me and I’m not getting into a debate about it; it’s my experience and my opinion: I just know how desperate things are for some people who have been hooked in.


Deeply frustrated.

John

Brilliant Post - 100% agree with your thoughts

[wilks_bfc]

Don't think anything was meant to happen with the players - just kicking off a minute later

If that’s the case then you can’t help thinking what was the point?

They may as well had just played the clip beforehand and kicked off at 12:30

[jrgbfc]

Can anyone who is on Twitter take it up with Bentley? Be interesting to see how the club try and defend it.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Can anyone who is on Twitter take it up with Bentley? Be interesting to see how the club try and defend it.

Bentley made his feelings clear earlier in the season. The money is more important.

[Rileybobs]

Alright you laughing and saying you've entered but it shows the club don't give a damn about mental health. Incredibly some bloke was coming round the concourse pre-match today pestering people to have a bet. Is there no end to it?

Doesn't affect me personally, I'm not a gambler, but I have my own issues and I know for some it is gambling.

Was just an attempt at a lighthearted joke on my part. The advert placement is a little clumsy but does appear to have been made a day after the mental health one. Burnley are sponsored by Ladbrokes and one of the conditions of the sponsorship will be to make social media posts such as the one above. Whether or not we should be sponsored by a betting company is a different matter, but we are so we should expect this.

Also with regards the impact of gambling on mental health it’s worth pointing out that unhealthy fast food and alcohol are both readily available in the concourses and can both affect mental health.

I wouldn’t be averse to betting companies being banned from advertising but there does come a point where we’ve got to let people make their own decisions.

[Burnley1989]

All joking a side, it’s disappointing. Shows poor management on that side if they’ve not realised this

[Billy Balfour]

I know people will totally disagree with me and I’m not getting into a debate about it; it’s my experience and my opinion: I just know how desperate things are for some people who have been hooked in.

I fully agree with you. It's stinking hypocrisy and it still would be EVEN if the club didn't have a pot to **** in.

[jdrobbo]

I did engage with Darren last year after someone tagged him into my tweets following mental health awareness day’s ridiculous “You’d be a sucker not to (have a bet)” tweets.

Darren was very polite in his response but maintained that they were his opinions but ‘Money talks’ and ‘There’s no harm in it’ (running betting ads alongside initiatives such as Mental Health Awareness and Samaritans.

The club have been very quiet about it but I do know that a lot of work is being done behind the scenes by the Supporters Group and ultimately, they are a voice for us as be a vehicle for change.

[jdrobbo]

Was just an attempt at a lighthearted joke on my part. The advert placement is a little clumsy but does appear to have been made a day after the mental health one. Burnley are sponsored by Ladbrokes and one of the conditions of the sponsorship will be to make social media posts such as the one above. Whether or not we should be sponsored by a betting company is a different matter, but we are so we should expect this.

Also with regards the impact of gambling on mental health it’s worth pointing out that unhealthy fast food and alcohol are both readily available in the concourses and can both affect mental health.

I wouldn’t be averse to betting companies being banned from advertising but there does come a point where we’ve got to let people make their own decisions.

They’re just screengrabs from my phone: Ladbrokes were advertised this morning an hour or so before the game.

[ClaretTony]

If that’s the case then you can’t help thinking what was the point?

They may as well had just played the clip beforehand and kicked off at 12:30

I think the 12:31 was to make people sit up and take notice but there was nothing, other than a video, planned as far as I know.

[Rileybobs]

They’re just screengrabs from my phone: Ladbrokes were advertised this morning an hour or so before the game.

Sorry, I meant the mental health post seems to have been made the day before the Ladbrokes one. Like I said above, I expect Burnley are obliged to make these posts as part of the sponsorship agreement.

[Sean Dyche's Watch]

If that’s the case then you can’t help thinking what was the point?

They may as well had just played the clip beforehand and kicked off at 12:30

Today's kick-off time prompted three of my work colleagues who have little interest in football ask me this week why the kick-off time was at 12.31pm.

[Billy Balfour]

Sooner, but probably later; betting companies sponsoring football clubs will go the same way as tobacco sponsorship.

[tiger76]

Maybe we should have someone from Carlsberg trying to sell beer to kids when their parents backs are turned? Think of the extra cash we could make.

It is curious how society changes,it wasn't that long ago that alcohol and tobacco products dominated the advertising market,now it's the gambling industry.

The former two products are seen as taboo by mainstream audiences hence this legislation being passed (Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act 2002),and an increased regulation on advertising alcoholic products on TV in recent years,and even moves to ban alcohol advertising altogether,in line with how tobacco was treated.

And yet for some reason gambling isn't seen as the same social ill that tobacco and alcohol are deemed to be,of course the fact that many MP'S of all parties have connections to the betting industry wouldn't have a bearing on their decisions in the house surely.https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/11/04/ ... industry/

[Whitgord]

I travelled to the Spurs game by train the other week. All the way down I was sat next to a group of 20-25 year olds who spent the whole journey discussing their accumulators and online betting accounts. At the game I was sat in front of another group who spent a vast majority of the game on their phones checking obscure scores from games they had bet on. On the way back on the train the gambling continued with bets on cricket and that evening’s Joshua boxing match. Gambling is a mugs game and they were completely addicted.

[jrgbfc]

I travelled to the Spurs game by train the other week. All the way down I was sat next to a group of 20-25 year olds who spent the whole journey discussing their accumulators and online betting accounts. At the game I was sat in front of another group who spent a vast majority of the game on their phones checking obscure scores from games they had bet on. On the way back on the train the gambling continued with bets on cricket and that evening’s Joshua boxing match. Gambling is a mugs game and they were completely addicted.

Being able to gamble on smartphones has made the problem 100% worse. In the old days of actually having to go to a bookies there was a bit of effort involved, and time to actually think about what you were doing.
Now people can sit at home on their own and at the touch of a button lose thousands of pounds. I bet there'll be plenty of young lads who gamble regularly who've never even stepped foot in a bookmakers.

[TVC15]

I do wonder who in the club is making these kind of decisions without realising the hypocrisy and to be honest sheer stupidity of actively promoting gambling today.

[jdrobbo]

Indeed, indeed.

[jdrobbo]

Sooner, but probably later; betting companies sponsoring football clubs will go the same way as tobacco sponsorship.

I hope you’re right.

[Grumps]

It is curious how society changes,it wasn't that long ago that alcohol and tobacco products dominated the advertising market,now it's the gambling industry.

The former two products are seen as taboo by mainstream audiences hence this legislation being passed (Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act 2002),and an increased regulation on advertising alcoholic products on TV in recent years,and even moves to ban alcohol advertising altogether,in line with how tobacco was treated.

And yet for some reason gambling isn't seen as the same social ill that tobacco and alcohol are deemed to be,of course the fact that many MP'S of all parties have connections to the betting industry wouldn't have a bearing on their decisions in the house surely.https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/11/04/ ... industry/

Only a guess, but tobacco is medically proven to cause serious illness. Alcohol in excess can cause illness hence why all adverts carry the drink aware message. I don't think gambling has been proven to cause illness, and the warnings alongside the adverts are more aimed at not getting in debt. Therefore there is no medical evidence to use to force through any bans on betting adverts.

[jdrobbo]

As a matter of interest, how do you think medical proof could be found for something that so many people know just how damaging gambling can be?

[Grumps]

As a matter of interest, how do you think medical proof could be found for something that so many people know just how damaging gambling can be?

I did say it was a guess. Smoking has been proved to cause lung cancer, alcohol proved to cause kidney failure, I don't think there's a way to test in a laboratory what damage gambling does or doesn't do, hence there won't be acts of parliament to ban betting adverts, just guidance

[jdrobbo]

Indeed, thanks for your reply. Think you’ve nailed it but it also goes to show in that regards, as mental health is not necessarily a visible illness, it’s one that the government are ok with turning a blind eye to for as long as possible?

[Grumps]

Indeed, thanks for your reply. Think you’ve nailed it but it also goes to show in that regards, as mental health is not necessarily a visible illness, it’s one that the government are ok with turning a blind eye to for as long as possible?

Not sure it's a case of turning a blind eye, but if you're going to stop a massive income stream, for multi national companies, you need conclusive medical evidence to rely on, and due to the very nature of the problem, iam not sure that evidence will be forthcoming

[Hantsclaret]

Not sure it's a case of turning a blind eye, but if you're going to stop a massive income stream, for multi national companies, you need conclusive medical evidence to rely on, and due to the very nature of the problem, iam not sure that evidence will be forthcoming

and thats exactly why we, as a caring community club (and Im not being sarcastic there - I'm always happy to recognise the good work that is done) should take the opportunity to take a lead in this area! Medical evidence or not, there is plenty of research out there to show the damage gambling does to low income areas - of which Burnley is just one of many! Wouldn't it be great to see us take a lead against problem gambling rather than advocating it!

[Dark Cloud]

IMO the gambling issues and football aren't just a BFC problem, it's clearly a "game wide" problem and it's probably a bit unfair to highlight our club here. Almost every club in the top 2 divisions is being sponsored by betting companies and it feels like it's all kind of crept up on us overnight and then suddenly we're absolutely immersed in it and betting company sponsorship has become almost as integral as Sky money to the sustainability of the "magic money tree" (sadly). Football overall has allowed this to happen. Because it really doesn't matter to football who you are. If you turn up at football's door with shed loads of cash to spend, they'll take your money alright, no questions asked!

[claret2018]

I do like the tag line “when the fun stops, stop”, as if that’s going to make any difference whatsoever to a problem gambler.

Imagine saying it to a heroin addict.

[thatdberight]

Can I assume everyone on here wanting the betting association stopped is OK if there's no more beer on the concourses? Or is that different?

[Sausage]

Can I assume everyone on here wanting the betting association stopped is OK if there's no more beer on the concourses? Or is that different?

No one on here has said gambling should not be allowed within football grounds. You've missed the point, which is that it's the promotion of betting (as opposed to the betting itself) which is the act of hypocrisy. We are all free to pursue our vices, whether it's smoking, drinking, gambling or watching online porn, all of which are legal. But you'd have to admit that it'd be odd to see any company campaigning on behalf of an Alcohol Awareness charity while simultaneously enticing us to buy beer, or promoting family values while being sponsored by an Adult Video website.

[MACCA]

Bentley made his feelings clear earlier in the season. The money is more important.

Which it is, anyone who can't or understand see that is naive beyond belief.

They are happy to sell shirts to minors with betting logos on even thought it isnt allowed, "just buy it, no one will ask you who its for"

Whoosh

Morals go out the window when money is involved, the more money involved, the easier it is to turn a blind eye... that's in every walk of life no matter who you are

[ClaretAndJew]

Which it is, anyone who can't or understand see that is naive beyond belief.

They are happy to sell shirts to miners with betting logos on even thought it isnt allowed, "just buy it, no one will ask you who its for"

Whoosh

Morals go out the window when money is involved, the more money involved, the easier it is to turn a blind eye... that's in every walk of life no matter who you are

There's no mines round here any more.

[thatdberight]

But you'd have to admit that it'd be odd to see any company campaigning on behalf of an Alcohol Awareness charity while simultaneously enticing us to buy beer.

No it wouldn't.
http://www.drinksretailingnews.co.uk/ne ... _Days.html

and millions of other examples. Your other example rather misses your own point in that a group that was always against sexually-explicit entertainment would, therefore, be always against it and never promote it or seek its backing.

[MACCA]

There's no mines round here any more.

Some comedy at last, huray

[Billy Balfour]

I do like the tag line “when the fun stops, stop”, as if that’s going to make any difference whatsoever to a problem gambler.

Imagine saying it to a heroin addict.

Or an alcoholic. Good point, though.

[jdrobbo]

The F.A are a complete and utter disgrace. Today’s news hits home: far too many people simply can’t make the connection....yet!