Labour MP sacked.. Peterborough

[hampsteadclaret]

Sacked by constituents.. in numbers.. just now
- do not know details..

Good.

[Imploding Turtle]

As expected.

She's the one who lied and went to prison for a few minutes. I forget her name, and the details. I just remember that she deserved it and it was always coming pending an appeal, or something.

[Damo]

Good. It shouldn't of needed a vote by the constituants though

[Imploding Turtle]

Good. It shouldn't of needed a vote by the constituents though

Yes. She should have resigned. In fact anyone who is successfully recalled should have resigned. I'm kind of pleased the recall process was allowed to be shown to work.


Interesting, isn't it? Peterborough voters got new information about her since they elected her and were allowed the opportunity to change their minds.

[Damo]

Yes. She should have resigned. In fact anyone who is successfully recalled should have resigned. I'm kind of pleased the recall process was allowed to be shown to work.


Interesting, isn't it? Peterborough voters got new information about her since they elected her and were allowed the opportunity to change their minds.

After the descision to elect her was implimented. So totally different to Brexit then

[Imploding Turtle]

After the descision to elect her was implimented. So totally different to Brexit then

The new information only came out after she took office.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Far to late, should never have been allowed back into Parliament after being in prison for lying etc.

[Damo]

The new information only came out after she took office.

Cool. Without wanting to get into one of your silly, off topic arguments. It would be nice to know what new information you have that means a democratic vote should be overturned. Hopefully it's not like the trump stuff which turned out to be fake news

[Imploding Turtle]

Cool. Without wanting to get into one of your silly, off topic arguments. It would be nice to know what new information you have that means a democratic vote should be overturned. Hopefully it's not like the trump stuff which turned out to be fake news

Ah, you see? You're trolling because you know that wasn't fake news. So now i don't feel the need to engage you any further because you've signalled your interest in trolling instead of discussing.

[Damo]

Ah, you see? You're trolling because you know that wasn't fake news. So now i don't feel the need to engage you any further because you've signalled your interest in trolling instead of discussing.

Thank you. Have a good evening

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Another thread ruined by the turtle!

[tiger76]

Hardly surprising in the circumstances,although strictly speaking she wasn't a Labour MP anymore,as they expelled her from the party,quite rightly also given the nature of her offences.

If MP'S won't stand down voluntarily,and unless they are sentenced to more than 12 months in prison,they aren't obliged to,then the recall process is a vital tool in ensuring their constituents have the final judgement on any misconduct well in public office.

If i was a Conservative i wouldn't build your hopes up about gaining this seat,yeah! on paper the majority is small,but Labour have been quick to distance themselves from Fiona Onasanya,and Corbyn visited here earlier in the week.

My instinct is the result will be similar to Newport West,a Labour hold on reduced turnout,with either or both the Brexit Party or UKIP polling relatively strongly,maybe around 10% each,this duo are more likely to capture disaffected Conservative voters and dash any chances of a Conservative gain.

[Imploding Turtle]

Im gonna try make this thread about turtle!

[LeadBelly]

Good news for democracy. I believe 10% of available voters needed to have signed the petition (7,000 ish); the petition was actually signed by over 19,000 people - over 25%.
Firstly: I'm pleased to see that enough people in Peterborough were moved to do this in reaction to a law-breaking person who was jailed for perverting the course of justice (and got off very lightly for that).
Secondly: Peterborough is a Brexit-voting area so it'll be interesting to see if the Brexit Party run and how they do. I think the two main parties will be "bricking it".

[Clarets4me]

The new information only came out after she took office.

The offences ( on 24th July 2017 & 23rd August 2017 ) and subsequent criminal proceedings all took place after she was elected, so it could hardly have come out beforehand ...

The threshold for her deposal and a by-election was 10% of the electorate, in fact 27.6% or 19,261 voters signed the petition ...

[tiger76]

Good news for democracy. I believe 10% of available voters needed to have signed the petition (7,000 ish); the petition was actually signed by over 19,000 people - over 25%.
Firstly: I'm pleased to see that enough people in Peterborough were moved to do this in reaction to a law-breaking person who was jailed for perverting the course of justice (and got off very lightly for that).
Secondly: Peterborough is a Brexit-voting area so it'll be interesting to see if the Brexit Party run and how they do. I think the two main parties will be "bricking it".

Agree with the first sentence LB,it's encouraging that the voters in Peterborough sent a strong message they won't tolerate such behaviour from their elected representative,both major parties campaigned strongly to ensure the petition threshold was reached,you could argue they both had ulterior motives for this,from Labour's POV they obviously want a Labour member of parliament,but equally they didn't want Onasanya's continuing presence overshadowing the local,and more pertinently European election campaigns,it's quite simple why the Conservatives want a by-election,they feel the seat is winnable.

As i alluded to in my earlier post,yes Peterborough is a brexit-voting area,or at least in 2016 it was,however so was Newport,and both major parties still gained 70% of the vote in that seat,UKIP polled OK a reasonable 3rd and 8/9%,but there was no brexit party standing so UKIP had the brexit vote all to themselves,reading the BBC article the BP will stand a candidate,but it might not be Farage,the problem for BP/UKIP here is the Conservative candidate is a leaver so this could blunt any advance they might both hope to make,i can certainly see both holding their deposits here,but neither will come close to winning.

[Imploding Turtle]

The offences ( on 24th July 2017 & 23rd August 2017 ) and subsequent criminal proceedings all took place after she was elected, so it could hardly have come out beforehand ...

I'm aware.

[AlargeClaret]

She was simply holding onto her salary as long as possible . Which I suppose we all would .Why do mp ‘s lie over such basic offences ? I remember the Tory clown and his mrs getting time for trying to avoid a speeding fine or such nonsense

[Paul Waine]

She was simply holding onto her salary as long as possible . Which I suppose we all would .Why do mp ‘s lie over such basic offences ? I remember the Tory clown and his mrs getting time for trying to avoid a speeding fine or such nonsense

Interesting point on salary, does an MP who loses their seat in these situations pick up the extra payment? I think they call it a re-settlement allowance, or some other "loss of office" monies.

[dsr]

Interesting point on salary, does an MP who loses their seat in these situations pick up the extra payment? I think they call it a re-settlement allowance, or some other "loss of office" monies.

I expect so. That payment was nothing to do with fairness or honesty, and was all about feathering the MPs' nests, so I doubt they would have put any impediment in the way of getting their tax-free year's salary.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Good riddance.

[hampsteadclaret]

18.. I believe it was a LibDem clown and his wife.

- there are of course large numbers of clowns in all the major parties these days.

[SmudgetheClaret]

And it was her one spurious vote that got that traitor coopers betrayal amendment through to stop no deal..(although it didn't really) and now it opens the door for the first Brexit Party mp..

[Bosscat]

I blame Brexit

[tiger76]

And it was her one spurious vote that got that traitor coopers betrayal amendment through to stop no deal..(although it didn't really) and now it opens the door for the first Brexit Party mp..

Brexit Party won't win here,whether Farage is the candidate or not,i suspect he won't stand here,as people could with some justification accuse him of carpetbagging.

[AlargeClaret]

18.. I believe it was a LibDem clown and his wife.

- there are of course large numbers of clowns in all the major parties these days.

I stand corrected Sir . I always tend to think it’s Tories when these misdemeanour type things surface . I pine for a golden age when being found trussed up and deceased with an orange in your mouth was just “ a bad day at the office “ for most Tories . Or Jeff Archer rogering some old brass or lord forbid John major having a knee tremble Edwina Curry in his cricket whites .. a golden age indeed

[SmudgetheClaret]

Brexit Party won't win here,whether Farage is the candidate or not,i suspect he won't stand here,as people could with some justification accuse him of carpetbagging.

Well it was 60.9 leave and 39.1 remain which is pretty conclusive and with Labour firmly sat on the fence trying to blag both sides I think the BP have a decent chance ..

[martin_p]

Well it was 60.9 leave and 39.1 remain which is pretty conclusive and with Labour firmly sat on the fence trying to blag both sides I think the BP have a decent chance ..

Not everyone of those 60.9% will be the damaging no deal Brexit obsessive that you are.

[tiger76]

It's too simplistic to assume that heavily brexit-voting areas will automatically default to UKIP or the Brexit Party,for a start there will be numerous other issues which the electorate considers more pressing,i can see this council area putting BP top in say the European Elections,i'm fairly sure UKIP topped the poll here in 2014,but a Westminster seat is a different kettle of fish which is why minor parties struggle to breakthrough even in by-elections,if the BP selects a decent candidate(big if),with a fair wind they could get 20-25% and a solid 2nd place,but equally a tight marginal which Peterborough is classed (majority only 600 ish) could just as easily see people coalescing towards both major parties,to keep each other out,that's what FPTP does whether you like it or not.

[thatdberight]

I stand corrected Sir . I always tend to think it’s Tories when these misdemeanour type things surface.

At least you know you haven't got an open mind.

[Rowls]

This certainly isn't something that "was always going to happen" - it's the first time it's ever happened.

Only made possible by the "Recall of MPs Act" passed under David Cameron's Conservative government in 2015.

[Paul Waine]

She was simply holding onto her salary as long as possible . Which I suppose we all would .Why do mp ‘s lie over such basic offences ? I remember the Tory clown and his mrs getting time for trying to avoid a speeding fine or such nonsense

Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce are the two you are thinking of. Chris Huhne was Lib Dem.

Huhne lost out to Menzies Campbell and then to Nick Clegg in LibDem leadership elections. It's not unreasonable to think that, if he'd accepted the points and ban for his last speeding offence he would have been well placed to take over from Vince Cable, maybe even have taken the leadership when Clegg lost his seat. Such is the importance of integrity in the "things that matter."

Wiki extract:

Christopher Murray Paul-Huhne (born 2 July 1954), known as Chris Huhne, is an energy and climate change consultant and formerly a British journalist and politician who was the Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Eastleigh from 2005 to 2013 and the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change from 2010 to 2012. From September 2013 to August 2014 he wrote a weekly column for The Guardian.
On 3 February 2012, Huhne resigned from the Cabinet when he was charged with perverting the course of justice over a 2003 speeding case. His wife at the time, Vicky Pryce, had claimed that she was driving the car, and accepted the licence penalty points on his behalf so that he could avoid being banned from driving. Huhne denied the charge until the trial began on 4 February 2013 when he changed his plea to guilty, resigned as a member of parliament, and left the Privy Council. He and Pryce were sentenced at Southwark Crown Court on 11 March to eight months in prison for perverting the course of justice. He served 9 weeks of this sentence at HMP Leyhill before he was released.
Huhne had twice stood unsuccessfully for election as Leader of the Liberal Democrats; in 2006 he came second to Sir Menzies Campbell and in 2007 he narrowly lost to Nick Clegg.