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Gay Footballers
Just been on TV up here in Scotland that a footballer is about to come out,the report said he will be the first openly gay football in Scotland for 20 years (Fashanu) seems they are making a really big deal about it on the regional news,should we be shocked with this in the 21st century,I dont even think it's worth 3 paragraphs in the Sun Newspaper...each to their own,it really shouldn't bother anyone should it?
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It is a story because its relatively unheard of. 'They' will make a huge deal of the first one, and its not hard to understand why. But the first to come out will hopefully make it easier for those in the future.
That said. Not even convinced its relevant. Straight. Gay. Whatever orientation they are. People shouldn't have to 'come out' whether they are in the public eye or not.
I am more surprised they have footballers in Scotland
That said. Not even convinced its relevant. Straight. Gay. Whatever orientation they are. People shouldn't have to 'come out' whether they are in the public eye or not.
I am more surprised they have footballers in Scotland
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You would like to think not. But it would be naïve to think that fans wont care. There will be many who do. And probably some players and managers.ClaretMoffitt wrote:Nobody apart from liberal journalists will be arsed.
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The other day I was talking to a Gay guy who is a friend of mine
After I finished talking to him I thought to myself why is there even a word Gay
My friend is just a guy who loves another guy and that other guy loves him too
So why even call him Gay
After I finished talking to him I thought to myself why is there even a word Gay
My friend is just a guy who loves another guy and that other guy loves him too
So why even call him Gay
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He isn't the first footballer to come out, that was Fashanu.
It will be made into a big deal.
I also think this thread will attract the usual homophobes and will be a 5 pager easily.
It will be made into a big deal.
I also think this thread will attract the usual homophobes and will be a 5 pager easily.
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Is his last name Johnson ?
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The word gay has a different meaning, always did.mkmel wrote:The other day I was talking to a Gay guy who is a friend of mine
After I finished talking to him I thought to myself why is there even a word Gay
My friend is just a guy who loves another guy and that other guy loves him too
So why even call him Gay
It was mainly during the last century that its meaning was changed.
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There was a strange one in cricket this week where James Faulkner appeared to come out. It was met with a lot of support from fans and players.
Only for him to deny it a day later despite saying he’d been with his boyfriend for five years.
Only for him to deny it a day later despite saying he’d been with his boyfriend for five years.
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A particular footballer our support quite likes is on all the football programmes up here Steven Thompson....remember that goal at Reading? Hes Scottish inhe ?cricketfieldclarets wrote:It is a story because its relatively unheard of. 'They' will make a huge deal of the first one, and its not hard to understand why. But the first to come out will hopefully make it easier for those in the future.
That said. Not even convinced its relevant. Straight. Gay. Whatever orientation they are. People shouldn't have to 'come out' whether they are in the public eye or not.
I am more surprised they have footballers in Scotland
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Only point I was making was why call my friend Gay or anythingGodIsADeeJay81 wrote:The word gay has a different meaning, always did.
It was mainly during the last century that its meaning was changed.
He is a guy gender male that's it
He is no different from you and I
And this footballer coming out
Wtf!!!
So this footballer prefers guys to ladies
So what?
What business is it of anyone else
What harm has been done
Good job he is not in disgusting Brunei where by law he would be stoned to death
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We both know that he won't be much different to the next person, but in all fairness it was gay people who took control of the word first.mkmel wrote:Only point I was making was why call my friend Gay or anything
He is a guy gender male that's it
He is no different from you and I
Labels seem to be important to some people though.
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Very difficult for a footballer in the public eye to have a gay relationship, get married, adopt/surrogate children etc, do all the things folks in hetero relationships do, without it at some point becoming public knowledge, realistically. I'd imagine anyone is such a place would want control over how it'd be made public, so it isn't so much about expecting gay footballers to come out, it's about ensuring everyone is sound with it if they so choose to be open. Overwhelming majority of people will be, but there are always judgemental tossers.cricketfieldclarets wrote:It is a story because its relatively unheard of. 'They' will make a huge deal of the first one, and its not hard to understand why. But the first to come out will hopefully make it easier for those in the future.
That said. Not even convinced its relevant. Straight. Gay. Whatever orientation they are. People shouldn't have to 'come out' whether they are in the public eye or not.
I am more surprised they have footballers in Scotland
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Let's hope it is a Scottish lad, then at least there's no danger of him going to the Qatar World Cup.
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I've always found it amusing that a person has to come out.
What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of knowing this?
What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of knowing this?
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I digress but how the f did Qatar with their human rights issues get the World Cup?NottsClaret wrote:Let's hope it is a Scottish lad, then at least there's no danger of him going to the Qatar World Cup.
Which country next?
Brunei where it is law to stone to death gays
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Because I know enough people who are gay, to know that gays don't have to publicly declare their sexuality in order to find a partner.
Ask someone who's gay; 'how do you know if someone else is gay?' Answer is generally, you just know.
Ask someone who's gay; 'how do you know if someone else is gay?' Answer is generally, you just know.
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Most celebrities / footballers / similar - cant have a normal life regardless of sexuality. Its the price of being in those positions. And one of the reasons why they command so much money to do them in the first place.Spiral wrote:Very difficult for a footballer in the public eye to have a gay relationship, get married, adopt/surrogate children etc, do all the things folks in hetero relationships do, without it at some point becoming public knowledge, realistically. I'd imagine anyone is such a place would want control over how it'd be made public, so it isn't so much about expecting gay footballers to come out, it's about ensuring everyone is sound with it if they so choose to be open. Overwhelming majority of people will be, but there are always judgemental tossers.
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Now that's funnyNottsClaret wrote:Let's hope it is a Scottish lad, then at least there's no danger of him going to the Qatar World Cup.
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No it isn't.cricketfieldclarets wrote:Now that's funny
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Ask someone who's done it and they'll explain it to youNo Ney Never wrote:I've always found it amusing that a person has to come out.
What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of knowing this?
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Bet you was one of those English buffons "singing football's coming home" last summer wernt you?cricketfieldclarets wrote:Now that's funny
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It's not for your benefit, it's for their own. Imagine you're a gay footballer. You've met the man of your dreams and you're engaged to be wed. You're now facing two possible anxieties: the anxiety of this becoming public knowledge without your consent or control and any & all accompanying sense of violation of privacy; or, the anxiety of the ensuing hysteria of being the first openly gay active pro footballer. Do you keep it private and worry, perhaps wait until retirement, or do you come out, perhaps feeling liberated but also facing a minority of tossers who don't know "how to explain it to their kids" or the odd bigot who wants to throw bottles and coins when you're taking a corner? Not a dilemma I'd like to face, personally. Either way, there must be a feeling of besiegement. At best, the worst of it will be lighthearted jokes, which might not hurt or offend straight blokes like me and (I presume) you, and possibly not even the player themselves, but think about it: there are gay men alive today who were chemically castrated for their sexuality. At best, you're going to be reduced to a stereotype by a small minority. Stereotypes about sexual deviancy which, in living memory, saw gay people held to a different standard as straight people. And for what it's worth, we're a better society for being more tolerant. I find it unfathomable that anyone could argue with that.No Ney Never wrote:I've always found it amusing that a person has to come out.
What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of knowing this?
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But football seems to be one of the last vanguards of bigotry in society, which is the point. Unsurprising that we're having this conversation on a football forum and not a music forum or films forum.cricketfieldclarets wrote:Most celebrities / footballers / similar - cant have a normal life regardless of sexuality. Its the price of being in those positions. And one of the reasons why they command so much money to do them in the first place.
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I have, and it's about the assumption in society that everyone in the world is hetrosexual unless they 'declare' otherwise.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Ask someone who's done it and they'll explain it to you
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Yup and being accepted by their loved ones.No Ney Never wrote:I have, and it's about the assumption in society that everyone in the world is hetrosexual unless they 'declare' otherwise.
I know people who've been utterly rejected by one, or both, of their parents because they were honest about who they are.
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Considring I am Scottish... No!Steve1956 wrote:Bet you was one of those English buffons "singing football's coming home" last summer wernt you?
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Great escape...well donecricketfieldclarets wrote:Considring I am Scottish... No!
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Never knew that, it's almost like you've just come out to us..cricketfieldclarets wrote:Considring I am Scottish... No!
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I don't disagree.Spiral wrote:But football seems to be one of the last vanguards of bigotry in society, which is the point. Unsurprising that we're having this conversation on a football forum and not a music forum or films forum.
Not saying its right but easy to understand why.
Rubgy, Cricket and most other team sports are the same. Even the Welsh rugby player only announced it at the end of or after his career.
As above, I dont think its necessarily relevant. Why do we need to know? Who cares? Its not as if it isnt (in the main) accepted these days therefore I don't get why people need to know.
(Not having a dig at you - just dont know how to word my point without coming accross as so ******* what).
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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Never knew that, it's almost like you've just come out to us..
Im confused really. Half English Half Welsh.
Edit. With an Irish name and absolutely ZERO Scottish
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Sounds like you bat for any team you can thencricketfieldclarets wrote:
Im confused really. Half English Half Welsh.
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Just not Scotland!GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Sounds like you bat for any team you can then
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No, no, I understand what you're getting at, cfc. It's not my business or yours and nobody should be forced, but like I said to NNN above, them coming out publicly isn't for our benefit, it's for their own.cricketfieldclarets wrote:As above, I dont think its necessarily relevant. Why do we need to know? Who cares? Its not as if it isnt (in the main) accepted these days therefore I don't get why people need to know.
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No it shouldn’t Steve.Steve1956 wrote:Just been on TV up here in Scotland that a footballer is about to come out,the report said he will be the first openly gay football in Scotland for 20 years (Fashanu) seems they are making a really big deal about it on the regional news,should we be shocked with this in the 21st century,I dont even think it's worth 3 paragraphs in the Sun Newspaper...each to their own,it really shouldn't bother anyone should it?
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Anybody rejected by their loved ones for whatever reason is a pretty painful thing to be subjected to.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Yup and being accepted by their loved ones.
I know people who've been utterly rejected by one, or both, of their parents because they were honest about who they are.
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I understand the point you're making, but it's that they feel that society wants everyone to let it be known what your sexual orientation is, so they know where they stand so to speak, that makes them feel that some sort of declaration is required. As far as I'm concerned, I make no assumptions about anyone so no one needs to declare anything to me, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Quite frankly, I'm not in the least bit bothered who you're thinking about when you're throwing one off, who you're praying to etc. You are either a decent person with values or you're not.Spiral wrote:It's not for your benefit, it's for their own. Imagine you're a gay footballer. You've met the man of your dreams and you're engaged to be wed. You're now facing two possible anxieties: the anxiety of this becoming public knowledge without your consent or control and any & all accompanying sense of violation of privacy; or, the anxiety of the ensuing hysteria of being the first openly gay active pro footballer. Do you keep it private and worry, perhaps wait until retirement, or do you come out, perhaps feeling liberated but also facing a minority of tossers who don't know "how to explain it to their kids" or the odd bigot who wants to throw bottles and coins when you're taking a corner? Not a dilemma I'd like to face, personally. Either way, there must be a feeling of besiegement. At best, the worst of it will be lighthearted jokes, which might not hurt or offend straight blokes like me and (I presume) you, and possibly not even the player themselves, but think about it: there are gay men alive today who were chemically castrated for their sexuality. At best, you're going to be reduced to a stereotype by a small minority. Stereotypes about sexual deviancy which, in living memory, saw gay people held to a different standard as straight people. And for what it's worth, we're a better society for being more tolerant. I find it unfathomable that anyone could argue with that.
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Its even on job applications. in the 21st century. That you declare your sexual orientation, race and even religion!No Ney Never wrote:I understand the point you're making, but it's that they feel that society wants everyone to let it be known what your sexual orientation is, so they know where they stand so to speak, that makes them feel that some sort of declaration is required. As far as I'm concerned, I make no assumptions about anyone so no one needs to declare anything to me, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Quite frankly, I'm not in the least bit bothered who you're thinking about when you're throwing one off, who you're praying to etc. You are either a decent person with values or you're not.
Crackers!
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We already get accused as being “Brexit Burnley” & “racist” for not having any black players in the team.
If we don’t have a gay player next year we’ll risk being homophobic as well
If we don’t have a gay player next year we’ll risk being homophobic as well
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Equality and to ensure people's needs are met of course.cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its even on job applications. in the 21st century. That you declare your sexual orientation, race and even religion!
Crackers!
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It seems to bother the players & administrators more than the supporters/ general public!South West Claret. wrote:No it shouldn’t Steve.
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mkmel » Fri May 03, 2019 4:12 am ...........
"The other day I was talking to a Gay guy who is a friend of mine
After I finished talking to him I thought to myself why is there even a word Gay
My friend is just a guy who loves another guy and that other guy loves him too
So why even call him Gay"
I'm more bothered by the use of 'Guy'. The word should only be used in early November.
"The other day I was talking to a Gay guy who is a friend of mine
After I finished talking to him I thought to myself why is there even a word Gay
My friend is just a guy who loves another guy and that other guy loves him too
So why even call him Gay"
I'm more bothered by the use of 'Guy'. The word should only be used in early November.
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What makes you think Burnley don't have any gay players?, they might (most probably) but it's their business not ours.wilks_bfc wrote:We already get accused as being “Brexit Burnley” & “racist” for not having any black players in the team.
If we don’t have a gay player next year we’ll risk being homophobic as well
I think it was Elton John who said "being gay isn't a choice"
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Elton John is a bit past it tbf. Impact sub?icu81b4 wrote:What makes you think Burnley don't have any gay players?, they might (most probably) but it's their business not ours.
I think it was Elton John who said "being gay isn't a choice"
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Claretmatt4 wrote:Elton John is a bit past it tbf. Impact sub?
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Nobody gives a sh** then? Nah me neither, NEXT
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One of the many random things I've read in the past is that being 'gay' isn't a choice - it's down to genetics. It doesn't just happen in humans either. Animals such as lions, chimpanzees, dolphins and over 100 species of bird have been known to be in same-sex 'relationships'.
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For whatever reason.....No Ney Never wrote:Anybody rejected by their loved ones for whatever reason is a pretty painful thing to be subjected to.
Not rejected as such but I am getting Married to a young lady and there is a massive age difference between us
And although not rejected it has made a difference in my Relationship with my Son and Daughter
And they have both said some horrible things to me and they refuse point blank to meet my fiancee when we are Married
It hurts
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icu81b4 wrote:What makes you think Burnley don't have any gay players?, they might (most probably) but it's their business not ours.
I think it was Elton John who said "being gay isn't a choice"
I wasn’t being serious and I agree it’s none of our business - it wouldn’t make any difference to me if they were or weren’t
Chances are we already have a gay player in the squad.
What I was referring to was that other teams fans point out that we “don’t have any BME players” (they forget we have Lennon which tbh some Burnley fans do as well) and if we didn’t have anybody “openly gay” they would more than likely point that out to us as well
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Ridiculous, filling quotas and not on ability. So you lie and say you are a gay, muslim(for example) and you move up the recruitment chart. I could scream.cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its even on job applications. in the 21st century. That you declare your sexual orientation, race and even religion!
Crackers!
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