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The Death Penalty.

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon May 06, 2019 8:04 pm

Wouldn't be justice for this animal. I didn't realise until reading this tonight how close to us this monster had got . Vile vile monster and he should be put down.

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Post by Goalposts » Mon May 06, 2019 8:08 pm

totally agree , but the liberals will be on shortly to defend his right to life
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Post by Bfcboyo » Mon May 06, 2019 8:16 pm

I think the most liberal of liberals would struggle to justify this man deserving any right to oxygen. It is an insult to the plants and trees supplying it.
The only argument could be how he is terminated.

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Post by Blackrod » Mon May 06, 2019 8:18 pm

The taxpayer will pay the additional cost to segregate the monster in prison. It would be cheaper not to bother. Once he’s been finished off by other inmates just throw him in the prison incinerator. Job done. Rapists and paedos will never offer anything good to society and can’t be made better by counselling and therapy.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 06, 2019 8:22 pm

The bigger issue is he was released by mistake from another article I read.
He didn't go before a parole board before his release and it's highly likely he wouldn't have been approved for release if he had.

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon May 06, 2019 8:24 pm

Frightening it was so close to home and the number of lives he has ruined.

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Post by Murger » Mon May 06, 2019 8:25 pm

Off with his head.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Mon May 06, 2019 8:35 pm

Murger wrote:Off with his head.
Too quick.

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Post by Venkys4eva » Mon May 06, 2019 8:48 pm

He should be used as an organ donor then at least the vile monster would do some good.

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Post by tim_noone » Mon May 06, 2019 8:53 pm

Venkys4eva wrote:He should be used as an organ donor then at least the vile monster would do some good.
Organ grinder....

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Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon May 06, 2019 8:58 pm

Venkys4eva wrote:He should be used as an organ donor then at least the vile monster would do some good.
There’s one organ that should be removed immediately.
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Post by Rileybobs » Mon May 06, 2019 9:03 pm

As a reasonable human being I find the death penalty abhorrent. However, if it was re-introduced in this country I would prefer it if the suspects were tried and found guilty of their crimes before being executed. If that makes me too liberal for you then you are a wazzock.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon May 06, 2019 9:37 pm

I honestly dont know what is suitable for people like this. Death is the easy way out.

Blast them into space, brass eye style.

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Post by NottsClaret » Mon May 06, 2019 9:39 pm

Still against the death penalty but if he was left with his shoe laces and belt on his first night in Wakey I’d be ok with that.
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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Mon May 06, 2019 9:59 pm

Against the death penalty, but also against cushy jails, start making them places people will do anything to avoid, like committing crimes.
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Post by mealdeal » Mon May 06, 2019 10:03 pm

We’ll put him on trial first lads eh?
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Post by FCBurnley » Mon May 06, 2019 10:10 pm

Rileybobs wrote:As a reasonable human being I find the death penalty abhorrent. However, if it was re-introduced in this country I would prefer it if the suspects were tried and found guilty of their crimes before being executed. If that makes me too liberal for you then you are a wazzock.
I wonder if your opinion would change if 1 of his victims was somebody close to your heart ?

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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon May 06, 2019 10:15 pm

This man is evil and will not thankfully see freedom again. He should not however be used as reason to bring back the death penalty. There are many reasons but foremost is our justice system has been reliable in finding people guilty when they are innocent.

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Post by thatdberight » Mon May 06, 2019 10:16 pm

Mark me down as surprised to find myself called a liberal for opposing the death penalty. That's a new one to me.
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Post by Rick_Muller » Mon May 06, 2019 10:24 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I wonder if your opinion would change if 1 of his victims was somebody close to your heart ?
Irrelevant until he’s found guilty dont you think...?

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon May 06, 2019 10:24 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I wonder if your opinion would change if 1 of his victims was somebody close to your heart ?
I’d like to think not but who knows. I fail to see how that’s relevant though as if a loved one of mine was a victim of sexual abuse I wouldn’t be thinking coherently.

In any case would you think it fair that said suspect is tried and found guilty before given the electric chair? Or is that a little on the liberal side?

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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon May 06, 2019 10:37 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Wouldn't be justice for this animal
Not fair to animals!

Unfortunately, there is no chance of the Death Penalty returning :x :cry:

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Post by Vino blanco » Mon May 06, 2019 10:44 pm

Why don't we have a referendum on the death penalty, that should sort things out once and for all?
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Post by HatfieldClaret » Mon May 06, 2019 11:01 pm

mealdeal wrote:We’ll put him on trial first lads eh?
You wouldn't get a jury to convict if there was the possibility of the death penalty. So as vile some people are, life should mean life and leave it at that.

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Re: The Death Penalty.

Post by bobinho » Mon May 06, 2019 11:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:The bigger issue is he was released by mistake from another article I read.
He didn't go before a parole board before his release and it's highly likely he wouldn't have been approved for release if he had.
Why is it highly likely he wouldn’t have been released? Only asking because modern criminal history is weighed down by parole board mistakes.... can’t help but wonder why they would’ve got this right.

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Post by jjclaret » Mon May 06, 2019 11:21 pm

Firstly , as mentioned, we need to put him on trial and be sure, without doubt, that he is guilty as charged.
Then, with regard to a death penalty, we need to remove the massive amount of brutality, which is being displayed, from the way that his life is terminated. If we continue to demand, or even consider, ”an eye for an eye” brutal method of termination, there is no hope of ever returning to a legal option of terminating someone’s life.

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Post by bobinho » Mon May 06, 2019 11:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:As a reasonable human being I find the death penalty abhorrent. However, if it was re-introduced in this country I would prefer it if the suspects were tried and found guilty of their crimes before being executed. If that makes me too liberal for you then you are a wazzock.
Have we ever just executed people without having them tried and proved guilty?

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Post by SGr » Mon May 06, 2019 11:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:As a reasonable human being I find the death penalty abhorrent. However, if it was re-introduced in this country I would prefer it if the suspects were tried and found guilty of their crimes before being executed. If that makes me too liberal for you then you are a wazzock.
Spot on. Mob rule is extremely dangerous.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 06, 2019 11:35 pm

bobinho wrote:Why is it highly likely he wouldn’t have been released? Only asking because modern criminal history is weighed down by parole board mistakes.... can’t help but wonder why they would’ve got this right.
He was on a life long licence from a previous jail term/crime and was half way through a 3 year sentence for his last one.
There was definitely a chance he wasn't going to be freed.

The proper procedure wasn't followed anyway.

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon May 06, 2019 11:40 pm

bobinho wrote:Have we ever just executed people without having them tried and proved guilty?
A number of people on this thread, including the OP, have advocated just that. And yes, this country has certainly executed people without sufficient evidence to prove their guilt.

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Post by bobinho » Mon May 06, 2019 11:53 pm

So “no” then?

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Post by Rileybobs » Tue May 07, 2019 12:00 am

bobinho wrote:So “no” then?
Do the trials of the Pendle witches ring a bell? Were they ‘proven’ guilty?

I’m not sure why you’re picking this argument though as I was responding to people on this thread who have called for someone to be executed without being tried for the crimes which they are accused.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Tue May 07, 2019 1:14 am

bobinho wrote:Have we ever just executed people without having them tried and proved guilty?
Only witches .

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Post by Bfcboyo » Tue May 07, 2019 1:16 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Irrelevant until he’s found guilty dont you think...?
Give him bail in the wait maybe as he is innocent until the fact.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Tue May 07, 2019 1:18 am

mealdeal wrote:We’ll put him on trial first lads eh?
With or without bail?

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue May 07, 2019 6:08 am

Yawn.

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Post by bobinho » Tue May 07, 2019 7:26 am

Rileybobs wrote:Do the trials of the Pendle witches ring a bell? Were they ‘proven’ guilty?

I’m not sure why you’re picking this argument though as I was responding to people on this thread who have called for someone to be executed without being tried for the crimes which they are accused.
Yep, the witch trials ring a bell. It’s hard to find fault with your argument when you mention these trials - although to be fair, our justice system these days requires a little more proof than “she has a broom AND a cat m’lud”.

Not really picking an argument, just trying to get your point is all. The OP hasn’t actually said OR suggested that this individual is strung up without being proven guilty. I don’t think he should be either, but when he is (and let’s be honest, he WILL be barring some stupid “rule of law” that means he’s innocent if his name is spelt incorrectly on the paperwork) I’d like to see seriously dangerous individuals like this punished properly.

The capital punishment argument is absolutely massive. Bigger even than brexit (sorry :cry: ). I’d like to think we could live in a world where it exists for the punishment of the dangerously evil and unremorseful, but the risk of getting a conviction wrong is possibly too great. Especially when you consider that legal representation is more about the brief winning the case than making sure justice is done.

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Post by mealdeal » Tue May 07, 2019 8:04 am

Bfcboyo wrote:With or without bail?
Obviously he’d be remanded you moron, he’s been arrested for a serious offence not nicking some sweets from the corner shop.

You might think you are being clever trying to conflate the remand system with death penalty but all you are doing is serving to prove you’re an idiot
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Post by Corky » Tue May 07, 2019 8:13 am

I know emotions run high but just think about the writ of Habeas Corpus. It is there for a reason.

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Post by Spijed » Tue May 07, 2019 8:43 am

Imagine if Ched Evans had been hanged for being a convicted rapist...
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Post by willsclarets » Tue May 07, 2019 9:16 am

The mark of any civilised society is defined by what it does to its worst offenders. The state has the right and duty to take away liberty but not life. What sort of example is that?

Not withstanding the evidence that it's not really a deterrent, it's inhuman, it's expensive and it far too often means the wrong person stood with the noose round their neck.

There's no good argument for the death penalty whatsoever.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 9:22 am

willsclarets wrote:The mark of any civilised society is defined by what it does to its worst offenders. The state has the right and duty to take away liberty but not life. What sort of example is that?

Not withstanding the evidence that it's not really a deterrent, it's inhuman, it's expensive and it far too often means the wrong person stood with the noose round their neck.

There's no good argument for the death penalty whatsoever.
Stop being so rational, this thread is for deranged loons to out do themselves on who can be the most daft.
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Post by mealdeal » Tue May 07, 2019 9:24 am

willsclarets wrote:
There's no good argument for the death penalty whatsoever.
Other than giving the mouth breathers some sort of revenge satisfaction.

The amazing thing about this thread is some peoples willingness to compeletely set aside one entire section of the justice system. Plenty happy to just kill this bloke on the say so of his arrest. I can't get my head around it and they don't seem to appreciate that that system would also apply to them.

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Post by willsclarets » Tue May 07, 2019 9:24 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Stop being so rational, this thread is for deranged loons to out do themselves on who can be the most daft.
Burn them alive!
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 9:29 am

Siri, show me a list of people who don't understand that if you ignore the law, then that becomes the norm and will affect them as well

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue May 07, 2019 10:00 am

My great-grandad used to say "bring back hanging".

Incredible to see the attitudes of some people in the 21st Century haven't changed from someone born in the 19th.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue May 07, 2019 10:12 am

mealdeal wrote:Other than giving the mouth breathers some sort of revenge satisfaction.

The amazing thing about this thread is some peoples willingness to compeletely set aside one entire section of the justice system. Plenty happy to just kill this bloke on the say so of his arrest. I can't get my head around it and they don't seem to appreciate that that system would also apply to them.
Weird how they tend to be the same people who are so fearful of the brutality of Sharia Law.
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Post by lakedistrictclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 10:22 am

This thread started off about McCann. Despicable as his alleged offences are, even if the death penalty was still in force, he wouldn't have been eligible for it. Execution for rape was abolished one hundred and eighty years ago.

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Post by mdd2 » Tue May 07, 2019 10:23 am

Were they alive I think Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans would agree with the death penalty as they paid the ultimate price for the crimes of Michael Craig and John Christie. We would have topped poor Stefan Kiszko but given the 16 years incarceration effectively killed him at the age of 41 for the crimes of Ronald Castree he might as well have been executed too.
To the present case once he has been found guilty and not insane then I am sure he will get a pretty long tariff. As one cannot reverse the death penalty very easily I remain against it but I would change the tariff for murder big time

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