The Death Penalty.

[aggi]

In the States, that's pretty much what happens on Death Row. I'm not sure I believe in the Death Penalty, but one thing is for sure - we need to be nearer their level on sentences. We're too lenient over here.

They're not a great advert for harsher sentences resulting in lower crime rates though.

[evensteadiereddie]

So you can stand tall find your spine and realise you have agreed that a child adult oap rapist has been taken off the planet.

Being civilised doesn't require being tolerant of what this man will be convicted of.

Find your spine.

Interesting that you consider not believing in the death penalty is cowardly. Not too arrogant, eh ?
Anyway, the "String 'em up" ship sailed - and sank - a long, long time ago.
You'll just have to come to terms with that or live somewhere you feel a little more comfortable.

[Bfcboyo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50684470

Is this not enough.

[bfcjg]

It is such a sickening crime he ought to be put down like you would a sick animal.

[Funkydrummer]

They should have hung him there and then from that tree, never mind helping him down.

[Bfcboyo]

As a reasonable human being I find the death penalty abhorrent. However, if it was re-introduced in this country I would prefer it if the suspects were tried and found guilty of their crimes before being executed. If that makes me too liberal for you then you are a wazzock.

Are you happy now wazzock

[Bfcboyo]

Irrelevant until he’s found guilty dont you think...?

Relevant enough for you kid?

[Bfcboyo]

The mark of any civilised society is defined by what it does to its worst offenders. The state has the right and duty to take away liberty but not life. What sort of example is that?

Not withstanding the evidence that it's not really a deterrent, it's inhuman, it's expensive and it far too often means the wrong person stood with the noose round their neck.

There's no good argument for the death penalty whatsoever.

Still think so?

[Bfcboyo]

To give bfcboyo his dues at least he’s doing something practical over the bankholiday

Waited for the trial to end . Doing it in the rain now.

[Bfcboyo]

There are a number of people on this thread, including the OP, who have said that this man should be killed - despite the offences which he has been accused of being unproven. It’s there in black and white, I don’t need to interpret the comments.

Tosser

[Funkydrummer]

Coming to a bar near you !!!!!

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... ngden-bar/

[Bfcboyo]

I haven't a clue. It's probably unlikely. But in a modern liberal society you've got to have due process.

Can we debate this scumbags execution now?

[Devils_Advocate]

Not read the link Bfcboyo but did he get found guilty?

[Bfcboyo]

Interesting that you consider not believing in the death penalty is cowardly. Not too arrogant, eh ?
Anyway, the "String 'em up" ship sailed - and sank - a long, long time ago.
You'll just have to come to terms with that or live somewhere you feel a little more comfortable.

At the airport to the USA now . Because it has a brilliant justice system.

[Rick_Muller]

Relevant enough for you kid?

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

[Quickenthetempo]

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick.

Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing.

[Bfcboyo]

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick.

Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing.






I cannot add anymore. Why be so aggressive to me fuel your anger towards the subject.

[Bfcboyo]

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

Only one person being obnoxious here you clever piece of poo.

[Bfcboyo]

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

I'm jogging sunshine towards the sun. Did you learn to talk like that from Danny Dyer

[Bfcboyo]

Not read the link Bfcboyo but did he get found guilty?

Read it and imagine your mum , sister , nephew or niece had been caught up in this monsterous spree . And look in the mirror and tell me he doesn't honestly deserve head from torso. This guy is the devil the ripper uneducated. He is evil.

[Devils_Advocate]

Read it and imagine your mum , sister , nephew or niece had been caught up in this monsterous spree . And look in the mirror and tell me he doesn't honestly deserve head from torso. This guy is the devil the ripper uneducated. He is evil.

There's endless amounts of people in this world we'd be better off without but i'm not gonna get all frothy mouthed about it on a footy messageboard and start abusing other posters

You'd be better off trying to stay a little more classy if youre gonna take the moral high ground but based on some of the bigoted crap you post then thats asking a little too much

Enjoy the US if thats where you're heading, I've just got back and loved the place

[Bfcboyo]

There's endless amounts of people in this world we'd be better off without but i'm not gonna get all frothy mouthed about it on a footy messageboard and start abusing other posters

You'd be better off trying to stay a little more classy if youre gonna take the moral high ground but based on some of the bigoted crap you post then thats asking a little too much

Enjoy the US if thats where you're heading, I've just got back and loved the place

A moral era dilemma I suspect.

[RingoMcCartney]

Jog the f#ck on you obnoxious piece of sh!t. I suppose you think you’re clever.

I'm ugly enough and daft enough to know your input on this messageboard , today , has been, er.............. not your finest!

[willsclarets]

Still think so?

Yes, I still think so. I don't believe in the death penalty full stop.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yawn. We abolished the death penalty years ago. It's not coming back.
Enjoy the States, boyo, and stay safe...............

[FactualFrank]

Surely locked up in isolation for the rest of your life would be a far greater punishment. Never seeing the light of day again, just staring at 4 walls in a small room.

[Blackrod]

Far too many people released early or released on meds. Parole boards saying sorry after a released convict has gone on a murdering spree don’t really cut it. A number of paranoid scitzos have recently have been found not guilty of murder in the grounds of insanity. Someone gets a slapped wrist and off they go back for ‘therapy’ before they are next unleashed on the innocent public. Build more prisons and asylums or refurbish some of the old ones. Still think it would be more cost effective and simpler to get rid of them.

[aggi]

At the airport to the USA now . Because it has a brilliant justice system.

This doesn't really seem the thread for jokes.

[Bfcboyo]

Yawn. We abolished the death penalty years ago. It's not coming back.
Enjoy the States, boyo, and stay safe...............

Yawn

I'm glad it wasn't you tied up having to endure hell.

[bfcjg]

When you are of an opinion that the thing who did these evil horrendous crimes has human rights put yourself in the position of the mother who was raped bound then forced to listen to her little boy and girl getting raped, how can you justify for one moment that thing having any rights at all. Are you so wrapped up in your oh so superior intellect that you put her and her children secondary to your inflated liberal ego ? he should be tortured for decades until he dies as a deterrent.
FFS when they arrested it they even wrapped a coat around it so it was warm and they couldn't be accused of treating this thing with anything other than dignity otherwise the liberal left would have been in uproar.

[Millertime v1.7]

Joseph Mccann better off dead imo. A ****-ant with no place in society? What does a man like that offer to the world?

[bfcjg]

Far too many people released early or released on meds. Parole boards saying sorry after a released convict has gone on a murdering spree don’t really cut it. A number of paranoid scitzos have recently have been found not guilty of murder in the grounds of insanity. Someone gets a slapped wrist and off they go back for ‘therapy’ before they are next unleashed on the innocent public. Build more prisons and asylums or refurbish some of the old ones. Still think it would be more cost effective and simpler to get rid of them.

It is this care in the community garbage introduced by Thatcher that has caused this it was just an example of dressing up cuts as a benefit to society.OK some people were sent to institutions for ridiculous things but some dangerous people are wandering the streets now, in hospitals etc the yget medication and are looked after.

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[AndrewJB]

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick.

Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing.

Killing someone won’t undo the crimes they committed. Nor is there any evidence it actually reduces crime. The only reason I can see you calling for it in this case is for vengeance - which isn’t recognised in law. If you want a system like that we’d have a legal system more like that of Saudi Arabia.

I’m not one of those people absolutely against the death penalty, but I’m against it in our current society, because we don’t need it.

[Quickenthetempo]

Killing someone won’t undo the crimes they committed. Nor is there any evidence it actually reduces crime. The only reason I can see you calling for it in this case is for vengeance - which isn’t recognised in law. If you want a system like that we’d have a legal system more like that of Saudi Arabia.

I’m not one of those people absolutely against the death penalty, but I’m against it in our current society, because we don’t need it.

Of course it reduces crime, he wouldn't be able to get released and commit any more.

The prison system has fell apart, far too overcrowded and costly. Means people not going to jail when they should and early release for most others.

[evensteadiereddie]

We jail more people than most countries yet still, apparently, we're all in grave danger of being killed in an atrocious manner. Weird, huh ?

[Rick_Muller]

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick.

Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing.

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick.

Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing.


I cannot add anymore. Why be so aggressive to me fuel your anger towards the subject.

Only one person being obnoxious here you clever piece of poo.

I'm jogging sunshine towards the sun. Did you learn to talk like that from Danny Dyer

I'm ugly enough and daft enough to know your input on this messageboard , today , has been, er.............. not your finest!

Yeah do us a favour and log off

The first thing I'd like to do is apologise for my offensive outburst, I agree that it wasn't necessary for me to be rude. However, the sentiment remains and in response to quickenthetempo I have this response.

For every murderer; rapist; drug dealer; serial killer who the justice system has found guilty there are victims of our justice system who have been incorrectly incarcerated or executed. I wont list them all here, you have google for that (try UK miscarriage of justice), but it is the main reason why I asked the original question below:

Irrelevant until he’s found guilty dont you think...?

that was in response to a post by FCBurnley as per below:

I wonder if your opinion would change if 1 of his victims was somebody close to your heart ?

Call me a liberal, in fact call me what you like - I just dont care what you think. It's people like me who stand up for real justice in this society to enable others to have the right to say what they think and protest in the way that they do. What I cannot abide is the "pitchforks and torches" attitude that is so clearly apparent on this thread.

Some of you may be glad to know that I will no longer be posting on this forum, personally I have had enough of the vitriol and anger that is diseminated here. Perhaps I may return when Brexit is no longer a thing, or Burnley are in a lower division and the forum goes back to being the fun place it used to be, but for now, I've had enough of it.

[evensteadiereddie]

That'a shame, Rick. It is tempting at times - the recent board shutdown was quite pleasant in some ways - but I hate the thought of letting these knuckle-dragging idiots win. I know there's plenty of them on here and, fortunately, they don't represent the views of a civilised and forward-looking society but, even so, they do need reminding of their idiocy from time to time and you've played your part in doing that.


All the best to you.

[Quickenthetempo]

The first thing I'd like to do is apologise for my offensive outburst, I agree that it wasn't necessary for me to be rude. However, the sentiment remains and in response to quickenthetempo I have this response.

For every murderer; rapist; drug dealer; serial killer who the justice system has found guilty there are victims of our justice system who have been incorrectly incarcerated or executed. I wont list them all here, you have google for that (try UK miscarriage of justice), but it is the main reason why I asked the original question below:



that was in response to a post by FCBurnley as per below:



Call me a liberal, in fact call me what you like - I just dont care what you think. It's people like me who stand up for real justice in this society to enable others to have the right to say what they think and protest in the way that they do. What I cannot abide is the "pitchforks and torches" attitude that is so clearly apparent on this thread.

Some of you may be glad to know that I will no longer be posting on this forum, personally I have had enough of the vitriol and anger that is diseminated here. Perhaps I may return when Brexit is no longer a thing, or Burnley are in a lower division and the forum goes back to being the fun place it used to be, but for now, I've had enough of it.

Rick, you may have a point in the wider picture, but this guy was being chased by the police while committing his crimes. Two 14yr old girls found safe when he crashed his car and run.

For the record, I would support a death penalty for 100% proven guilty or inmates who wanted it instead of proper life sentences. None of that 15 years, released in 8 crap.

[corporal jones]

Were they alive I think Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans would agree with the death penalty as they paid the ultimate price for the crimes of Michael Craig and John Christie. We would have topped poor Stefan Kiszko but given the 16 years incarceration effectively killed him at the age of 41 for the crimes of Ronald Castree he might as well have been executed too.
To the present case once he has been found guilty and not insane then I am sure he will get a pretty long tariff. As one cannot reverse the death penalty very easily I remain against it but I would change the tariff for murder big time

Not forgetting the Guildford four and the Birmingham six.

[IanMcL]

That one at Wolverhampton cost us 2 well earned points

[willsclarets]

The argument that people will be wrongfully convicted and executed is strong. But the basic principle and base argument is stronger to me.

That is, the state should not and do not have the right to kill one of its citizens, when the law demands its citizens don't do that very thing. You can't have a civilised society without principles the state itself doesn't abide by.

[FulledgeClaret]

The death penalty will never be brought back because 1 f up by the courts executing the wrong person would be 1 too many, it wouldn't be a deterrent to vermin like this guy its just an easy way out for them and also society. We need to look at the sentences handed out which need to be a lot tougher eg life is life not 25yrs out in 15 for being a good boy while locked up. Monsters like this guy should be locked up for the rest of their days no question but instead of the death penalty I would be all for life sentences meaning hard labour on remote islands off the coast for the rest of their days make them sew sacks, break rocks for 12 hrs a day make life inside very hard to the point they would have preferred the death penalty, that would be more of a deterrent than knowing it will all be over in minutes at a guillotine electric chair or lethal injection imo.

[ClaretAndJew]

If anyone thinks the death penalty is a deterrent look at the murder rates in all of the places that have the death penalty.

[Bfcboyo]

The first thing I'd like to do is apologise for my offensive outburst, I agree that it wasn't necessary for me to be rude. However, the sentiment remains and in response to quickenthetempo I have this response.

For every murderer; rapist; drug dealer; serial killer who the justice system has found guilty there are victims of our justice system who have been incorrectly incarcerated or executed. I wont list them all here, you have google for that (try UK miscarriage of justice), but it is the main reason why I asked the original question below:



that was in response to a post by FCBurnley as per below:



Call me a liberal, in fact call me what you like - I just dont care what you think. It's people like me who stand up for real justice in this society to enable others to have the right to say what they think and protest in the way that they do. What I cannot abide is the "pitchforks and torches" attitude that is so clearly apparent on this thread.

Some of you may be glad to know that I will no longer be posting on this forum, personally I have had enough of the vitriol and anger that is diseminated here. Perhaps I may return when Brexit is no longer a thing, or Burnley are in a lower division and the forum goes back to being the fun place it used to be, but for now, I've had enough of it.

Thanks for the apology.

For every murderer; rapist; drug dealer; serial killer who the justice system has found guilty there are victims of our justice system who have been incorrectly incarcerated or executed.

Can you place a time line on this as I doubt it is a 1:1 injustice over the last 50years say.

[Bfcboyo]

That'a shame, Rick. It is tempting at times - the recent board shutdown was quite pleasant in some ways - but I hate the thought of letting these knuckle-dragging idiots win. I know there's plenty of them on here and, fortunately, they don't represent the views of a civilised and forward-looking society but, even so, they do need reminding of their idiocy from time to time and you've played your part in doing that.


All the best to you.

Picked up where he left off then. I look forward to Friday when your drowned in tears from head to sandal.

[willsclarets]

Thanks for the apology.

For every murderer; rapist; drug dealer; serial killer who the justice system has found guilty there are victims of our justice system who have been incorrectly incarcerated or executed.

Can you place a time line on this as I doubt it is a 1:1 injustice over the last 50years say.

Please tell me you're not suggesting that as long as we execute more people who are correctly found guilty, than we do innocent people who are wrongfully executed, then it's fine.

[evensteadiereddie]

Picked up doing what where he left off, boyo ? Challenging backward-thinking idiots such as yourself ? Definitely !

What's happening on Friday that should leave me "drowned in tears" ? The election ? Why would the foregone conclusion to that upset me of all people - I'm comfortably off, own my house in a rather agreeable part of Staffordshire and my family are doing incredibly well. Obviously not as well as you claim but still financially bomb-proof. The next few months will be hilarious.

I hope you weren't privately educated, you should demand a ******* refund if you were...it's "you're" as in "you are" not "your" as in "belonging to you".

Cretin.

What's the reference to a sandal - surely "your" not so thick you have to resort to lazy stereotyping.....

[Bfcboyo]

Picked up doing what where he left off, boyo ? Challenging backward-thinking idiots such as yourself ? Definitely !

What's happening on Friday that should leave me "drowned in tears" ? The election ? Why would the foregone conclusion to that upset me of all people - I'm comfortably off, own my house in a rather agreeable part of Staffordshire and my family are doing incredibly well. Obviously not as well as you claim but still financially bomb-proof. The next few months will be hilarious.

I hope you weren't privately educated, you should demand a ******* refund if you were...it's "you're" as in "you are" not "your" as in "belonging to you".

Cretin.

What's the reference to a sandal - surely "your" not so thick you have to resort to lazy stereotyping.....

Clearly rattled by the sandal thing. Apologies

[tim_noone]

Keep posting..... fcuk em!