Citeh v Foxes

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby CombatClaret » Mon May 06, 2019 9:34 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Expect this will play out much the same as our game did.


Leicester held out 7 minutes longer.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Greeny » Mon May 06, 2019 9:41 pm

When Kompany is putting them in from there, you know it’s your year. They normally end up in the top tier when he shoots!!

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Dyched » Mon May 06, 2019 9:45 pm

Shocking miss

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby box_of_frogs » Mon May 06, 2019 9:46 pm

Nothing like doing your old club a favour !!!!!

:o :shock:

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby ElectroClaret » Mon May 06, 2019 9:47 pm

Jesus, that's a sitter.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby box_of_frogs » Mon May 06, 2019 9:51 pm

If there’s anything good about that miss, it’ll be the reaction of the bin dippers on social media.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby 4:20 » Mon May 06, 2019 9:58 pm

Real happy for Vincent Kompany, what a moment for him.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby tiger76 » Mon May 06, 2019 9:59 pm

I'm sure the red half of Merseyside will feel Vincent should have been having an early bath,then again after their dubious free-kick the other night the Scousers can't really moan.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Mon May 06, 2019 10:00 pm

Scored some important goals for City over the years.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Vegas Claret » Mon May 06, 2019 10:01 pm

4:20 wrote:Real happy for Vincent Kompany, what a moment for him.


absolute gem of a bloke
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby ClaretTony » Mon May 06, 2019 10:03 pm

That was an absolute stunner of a goal - this title chase is incredible, could be that 97 points won't be enough to win it.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Billy Balfour » Mon May 06, 2019 10:13 pm

What a goal to win such a crucial game for them. Brave of him to have a go from there given the circumstances.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby BurnleyFC » Mon May 06, 2019 10:42 pm

Just 90 more minutes until City do the rest of England a favour and shut the scousers up for another season.

Barca, it’s over to you to do the same.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Spijed » Mon May 06, 2019 10:45 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Just 90 more minutes until City do the rest of England a favour and shut the scousers up for another season.


I'd rather Liverpool win it than a totally plastic club like Man City. They can be filed along with Rovers and Chelsea as three clubs who have only achieved success because of rich benefactors.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Mon May 06, 2019 10:54 pm

Leicester were so much better than us in every position and played some stunning football going forward and were lovely to watch and have the better manager than us and .................... oh, lost 1 nil.

It's all about trying to get a result in the best way possible with the players you have available, within your budget. We recently tried against City and lost 1 nil. Leicester tried it their way tonight and lost 1 nil.

Funny how some anti Burnley/Dyche fans went quiet on this thread after City went 1 nil up.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Vino blanco » Mon May 06, 2019 10:57 pm

I really don't understand this calling City a plastic club. It's only a few years ago they were down in the third division, still getting gates bigger than our current PL attendances. Okay, they are now the richest club in the world, fair play to them for using that money to gain success. I would be delighted if Burnley FC could find new, wealthy investors to take us to the next stage of our development.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby BurnleyFC » Mon May 06, 2019 10:59 pm

Spijed wrote:I'd rather Liverpool win it than a totally plastic club like Man City. They can be filed along with Rovers and Chelsea as three clubs who have only achieved success because of rich benefactors.

We’ve had this before. City aren’t a plastic club.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Spijed » Mon May 06, 2019 11:01 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:We’ve had this before. City aren’t a plastic club.


Well, what makes them different from the likes of Chelsea then?

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Mon May 06, 2019 11:09 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:We’ve had this before. City aren’t a plastic club.


Why not? They clearly wouldn't be anywhere near challenging the top 6 without their owners. They quickly bought success by spending over £2bn (and rising) to obtain the players/manager so, in that sense, they are unbelievably plastic.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Darthlaw » Mon May 06, 2019 11:27 pm

Had city not been bailed out by the Sheikh, they probably would have been on their way back down thanks to Trashcan Sinatra’s assets being seized.

I find it easy to dismiss their success, like Blackburn and Chelsea, as without their benefactors they would be nothing.

Hollow be medals that are bought rather than won.

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Postby Dyched » Mon May 06, 2019 11:32 pm

What sits Man City and Chelsea apart is that it is being done properly. From top to bottom on the pitch and not. I don’t get the same feeling from Chelsea. City are begining to get to a level where they could sustain there position if the money stopped being poured in.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Darthlaw » Mon May 06, 2019 11:42 pm

Not a chance.

City are being subsidised by ‘sponsorship’ from Etihad and the like, in order to circumvent FFP. Pull their money and they’ll flounder.

If anything, Chelsea have a better chance because of their model of selling young players, although that’s going to take a hit when FIFA change the rules on loans. City are going one step further on this by their ‘city’ franchise, which they use to feed players.

Both are based on oil money and (as I’ve said before) it’s ironic that plastic is a byproduct of oil, just as is City and Chelsea’s success.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Shore claret » Tue May 07, 2019 6:41 am

tiger76 wrote:I'm sure the red half of Merseyside will feel Vincent should have been having an early bath,then again after their dubious free-kick the other night the Scousers can't really moan.

I'm sure they will find something to moan about.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Cleveleys_claret » Tue May 07, 2019 7:31 am

How are UTD any different or Liverpool to these so called plastic clubs. Company buy club by taking out massive loan, then just paying interest on loan. At least the City money isnt being leveraged against the club. Its all bought and paid for, unlike UTD

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 8:30 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:How are UTD any different or Liverpool to these so called plastic clubs. Company buy club by taking out massive loan, then just paying interest on loan. At least the City money isnt being leveraged against the club. Its all bought and paid for, unlike UTD


The difference between Utd and Liverpool compared to Chelsea and City is, that at some point in time, they will both be debt free as their loans are being repaid and managed by their natural income. Chelsea owe Ibramovich £1.2bn and City will owe the Sheikh's even more which will never be repaid via normal channels. The first two clubs have also been at the top, or pretty much towards the top, of the pyramid for many, many years due to the fact they have become worldwide names prior to the mass influx of money.

That's the difference to me.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Spijed » Tue May 07, 2019 8:36 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:How are UTD any different or Liverpool to these so called plastic clubs. Company buy club by taking out massive loan, then just paying interest on loan. At least the City money isnt being leveraged against the club. Its all bought and paid for, unlike UTD


Because both Man U and Liverpool make their money from worldwide fan bases and all the interest that generates. Sponsorship etc. They are arguably the two biggest clubs when it comes to global appeal.

Meanwhile, Man city have been given their money by a Sheikh as they don't have the same pulling power. A bit like Jack Walker in that respect.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Hipper » Tue May 07, 2019 9:14 am

Darthlaw wrote:Had city not been bailed out by the Sheikh, they probably would have been on their way back down thanks to Trashcan Sinatra’s assets being seized.

I find it easy to dismiss their success, like Blackburn and Chelsea, as without their benefactors they would be nothing.

Hollow be medals that are bought rather than won.


I don't like these digs at Blackburn. It's not the same as Chelsea and Man City.

They had a supporter who got some money and spent it on the club to achieve his and every Blackburn supporters dreams. Barry Kilby did something similar but not on the same scale for us.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby BurnleyFC » Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 am

Spijed wrote:Because both Man U and Liverpool make their money from worldwide fan bases and all the interest that generates. Sponsorship etc. They are arguably the two biggest clubs when it comes to global appeal.

Meanwhile, Man city have been given their money by a Sheikh as they don't have the same pulling power. A bit like Jack Walker in that respect.

Yeah, Liverpool broke the world transfer record for a goalkeeper AND a defender purely from the money they’ve rightfully earned (they didn’t and were nearly bust a few seasons ago, by the way)

They’re no different to Manchester City in that regard, but at least Manchester City have won things with the money they’ve spent.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby KRBFC » Tue May 07, 2019 1:40 pm

Spijed wrote:I'd rather Liverpool win it than a totally plastic club like Man City. They can be filed along with Rovers and Chelsea as three clubs who have only achieved success because of rich benefactors.

So we are plastic then? wasn't that long ago we were struggling in the Championship with attendances of around 9,000. Suddenly Flood dumps in cash, we get promoted and attendances double in size. Even our last promotion, we won the title with one of the largest wage bills and spent more on 1 player (Andre Gray) than half of the league combined that summer. Modern day football requires finance to be successful, nobody else can generate income like Man United, so they have to find other ways to match them financially.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 07, 2019 2:01 pm

Looks like the idiot has been dumped by his 1st bird and decided to return with his nonsense
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 2:19 pm

KRBFC wrote:So we are plastic then? wasn't that long ago we were struggling in the Championship with attendances of around 9,000. Suddenly Flood dumps in cash, we get promoted and attendances double in size. Even our last promotion, we won the title with one of the largest wage bills and spent more on 1 player (Andre Gray) than half of the league combined that summer. Modern day football requires finance to be successful, nobody else can generate income like Man United, so they have to find other ways to match them financially.


Why do you not see the difference between us and Man City? Yes, Flood and Kilby and Co. provided short term financing to try and keep us competing at Championship level. I think, between them all, they may have LOANED us around £9m off memory. As soon as we were promoted to the PL we repaid those loans and have been debt free ever since. City will owe the Sheikhs £bn's. City = plastic, Burnley = gained financial assistance for short term gain then lives within it's means which is non-plastic.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby KRBFC » Tue May 07, 2019 2:41 pm

Goodclaret wrote:Why do you not see the difference between us and Man City? Yes, Flood and Kilby and Co. provided short term financing to try and keep us competing at Championship level. I think, between them all, they may have LOANED us around £9m off memory. As soon as we were promoted to the PL we repaid those loans and have been debt free ever since. City will owe the Sheikhs £bn's. City = plastic, Burnley = gained financial assistance for short term gain then lives within it's means which is non-plastic.

Of course there's a difference between us and City, but you have to understand, finance is required to compete at the very top, it's just the way modern day football is. Man United and Liverpool are such huge clubs, why do they have the world wide support which provide significant income? because they were once successful, foreign fans cling onto success. To gain success, you need finance, then in the future, you become a worldwide massive club with the fanbase bringing in the income.

In 20-30 years time (if things continue as they are), the next generation of football fans (foreign mainly) will mostly be buying Man City merchandise and claim to be Man City fans, in order for City to bridge the gap between themselves and Man United, they simply HAD to invest millions now. It's really like you say we did ''gained financial assistance for short term gain then lives within it's means'' now City have a side built, we saw in the summer, little investment, the investment in transfer fees will slow down, and with every passing day they're growing bigger and bigger at a rapid rate due to success on field. Foreign plastic fans LOVE to ''support'' winners, bandwaggon fans but they bring in the monies.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Billy Balfour » Tue May 07, 2019 3:43 pm

Citeh have always been a well supported club. Of course they are going to gain support with their success. Are we plastic too given that our attendances have increased by 35% or whatever in the EPL? No we're not and neither are Citeh.

Anyway, 'plastic fans' is a vacuous term usually used by those who think they are in some way an uber-fan and above all others. I can understand kids in the playground using it, but adults? Grow up.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 5:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:Of course there's a difference between us and City, but you have to understand, finance is required to compete at the very top, it's just the way modern day football is. Man United and Liverpool are such huge clubs, why do they have the world wide support which provide significant income? because they were once successful, foreign fans cling onto success. To gain success, you need finance, then in the future, you become a worldwide massive club with the fanbase bringing in the income.

In 20-30 years time (if things continue as they are), the next generation of football fans (foreign mainly) will mostly be buying Man City merchandise and claim to be Man City fans, in order for City to bridge the gap between themselves and Man United, they simply HAD to invest millions now. It's really like you say we did ''gained financial assistance for short term gain then lives within it's means'' now City have a side built, we saw in the summer, little investment, the investment in transfer fees will slow down, and with every passing day they're growing bigger and bigger at a rapid rate due to success on field. Foreign plastic fans LOVE to ''support'' winners, bandwaggon fans but they bring in the monies.


I agree to an extent but Utd and Liverpool have got there over many, many years. City bought it within 4 or 5 years and will never be able to repay their loans to the Sheikhs. The wages they currently pay won't be covered by normal income for a long, long time, hence the stadium being sponsored for ridiculous amounts to get away with FFP rules.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Goodclaret » Tue May 07, 2019 5:22 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Citeh have always been a well supported club. Of course they are going to gain support with their success. Are we plastic too given that our attendances have increased by 35% or whatever in the EPL? No we're not and neither are Citeh.

Anyway, 'plastic fans' is a vacuous term usually used by those who think they are in some way an uber-fan and above all others. I can understand kids in the playground using it, but adults? Grow up.


Are you sending me to my room without any supper too?

I think the term "plastic" just refers to a club which has been backed by £bn's by someone who has no links to the club. Nothing about being an "uber fan". Anyway, I consider myself told off so I'll leave it there.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Tall Paul » Tue May 07, 2019 5:42 pm

Goodclaret wrote:I agree to an extent but Utd and Liverpool have got there over many, many years. City bought it within 4 or 5 years and will never be able to repay their loans to the Sheikhs. The wages they currently pay won't be covered by normal income for a long, long time, hence the stadium being sponsored for ridiculous amounts to get away with FFP rules.


Manchester City don't have any debt to the Sheikhs.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Spijed » Tue May 07, 2019 5:48 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Citeh have always been a well supported club.


Clubs like Derby, Forest, Leeds, Wolves, both Sheffield teams, Villa etc. have support to match and Man City can't even fill the Etihad on a regular basis.

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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby Billy Balfour » Tue May 07, 2019 6:10 pm

Goodclaret wrote:Are you sending me to my room without any supper too?


Yes. And I'm talking the telly away too. No Champions League football for you, my son.
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Re: Citeh v Foxes

Postby corporal jones » Tue May 07, 2019 11:28 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Just 90 more minutes until City do the rest of England a favour and shut the scousers up for another season.

Barca, it’s over to you to do the same.

You were saying.......


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