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Scott Carson

Postby Hedontplayforyou » Sun May 12, 2019 10:25 am

According to Nixon, we fancy Carson if we offload Hart it Pope.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Murger » Sun May 12, 2019 10:36 am

And it begins.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby FactualFrank » Sun May 12, 2019 10:45 am

Fine as a backup.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Murger » Sun May 12, 2019 10:47 am

FactualFrank wrote:Fine as a backup.


It tells me they expect both Hart and Pope to leave. There's no way Carson comes as 3rd choice.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby FactualFrank » Sun May 12, 2019 10:50 am

I'd be happy with Hart leaving and would understand Pope leaving as he'll want first team football. It would free up another squad space and lower the wage bill.

I'd expect a sell-on clause though with Pope. 20% should do it.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Hedontplayforyou » Sun May 12, 2019 10:50 am

Does this not mean, Ledgzins and Lindegaard both leave?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sun May 12, 2019 10:51 am

Nixon’s certainly using our goalkeeping “issue” to fill some column inches.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Sun May 12, 2019 10:52 am

Could do far worse for backup

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby jedi_master » Sun May 12, 2019 10:53 am

Absolutely fine backup, and exactly what’s needed.

I like Pope but he’s too valuable to let depreciate, I’d be offloading him if we can get £15m or so. Hart can go for free if someone will take his contract over, MLS or similar.

Time to get back to having a dedicated, de facto number one and an obvious (but capable) number two.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby FactualFrank » Sun May 12, 2019 10:58 am

If this is going to happen, then the sooner the better, as we have more pressing issues elsewhere on the field.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby jdrobbo » Sun May 12, 2019 11:08 am

I don’t like reading this one bit. Scott Carson is a goalkeeper that I have never rated. I recall him having a run of good games for Charlton.He then got England international recognition on from there, in my opinion, went rapidly downhill.

If we have to offload Pope, I’d be having a look at Max O'Leary at Bristol City. He’s out of their academy and as third choice keeper, was thrown in at the deep end against Aston Villa a few weeks ago. Despite losing the game, he was absolutely magnificent. Looks a real player for the future. I would much rather have someone like this in the wings then Carson
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby FactualFrank » Sun May 12, 2019 11:18 am

I think someone young would be best as 3rd choice. Two keepers with experience, and one coming through learning the trade from the other two, and being placed on the 'conveyor belt' ready to grow into a first choice option.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Darnhill Claret » Sun May 12, 2019 11:19 am

Agreed, we need a young keeper with great potential like Nick Pope when he signed for us.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Darnhill Claret » Sun May 12, 2019 11:20 am

Would still prefer Nick to stay though.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Lancasterclaret » Sun May 12, 2019 11:21 am

Murger wrote:And it begins.


It certainly ******* does.

You are already slating next seasons transfer policy before this one has even finished.

You do understand the concept of a back up I take it?
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Murger » Sun May 12, 2019 11:27 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:It certainly ******* does.

You are already slating next seasons transfer policy before this one has even finished.

You do understand the concept of a back up I take it?


Where have I slated anything?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Lord Beamish » Sun May 12, 2019 11:35 am

Last spotted in the Turf, picking the ball out of the net 4 times. None were his fault, mind.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby ElectroClaret » Sun May 12, 2019 11:40 am

In terms of the keeper pecking order, surely an incoming SC wouldn't be third choice, but go straight to no. two behind Tom, above the other two?
(Assuming Pope departs)

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Rileybobs » Sun May 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Legzdins and Lindegaard to leave and Carson to come in. Leaving us with 4 England goalkeepers.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby dermotdermot » Sun May 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Carson?!?! Is someone having a laugh?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby mdd2 » Sun May 12, 2019 12:13 pm

Ledzkins (spelling) is not OOC until 2020 so he would stay as number 3. Where is Mitchell in the pecking order now as he is over 21 so wouldn’t be able to play unless in the 25 and surely we are not naming 4 keepers?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby ClaretTony » Sun May 12, 2019 12:19 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Nixon’s certainly using our goalkeeping “issue” to fill some column inches.


He’s had a different Burnley goalkeeper story virtually every week recently. I think the only certainty we have is that Lindegaard is the only one out of contract.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby ClaretTony » Sun May 12, 2019 12:20 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Carson?!?! Is someone having a laugh?


There are much bigger clubs than us have far worse goalkeepers as cover.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Sun May 12, 2019 12:26 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I don’t like reading this one bit. Scott Carson is a goalkeeper that I have never rated. I recall him having a run of good games for Charlton.He then got England international recognition on from there, in my opinion, went rapidly downhill.

If we have to offload Pope, I’d be having a look at Max O'Leary at Bristol City. He’s out of their academy and as third choice keeper, was thrown in at the deep end against Aston Villa a few weeks ago. Despite losing the game, he was absolutely magnificent. Looks a real player for the future. I would much rather have someone like this in the wings then Carson

Hed be perfectly fine as backup.

A more than decent career with nearly 500 professional games at championship and above.

If we get a good fee for (or a very good loan deal) Pope. Get Hart off the wage bill and maybe even a fee. He would be fine.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby beddie » Sun May 12, 2019 1:54 pm

Calamity Carson. No thank you, we can do better than that.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Long Time Lurker » Sun May 12, 2019 2:13 pm

Sounds like a complete crackpot plan to me, if it is true.

We sell two perfectly good keepers. Hart who did okay for us and Nick who is arguably the top young keeper in the country. Nick has the potential to significantly increase in value and he has a complete understanding of what we are about and how we play. The squad did well with him between the sticks. Hart has had a full season with us to gain a level of understanding.

So the cracker jack idea is to dispense with all that valuable understanding and bring in a keeper who didn't seem happy playing second fiddle to Roos at Derby and couldn't do enough to displace him. A player who is one of the highest wage earners at Derby with a season left on his contract, meaning that we would have to pay a healthy sum to sign him up. Not forgetting that he isn't anywhere near as good as Nick or Joe which would weaken us.

So if the plan is successful we start the season with a keeper that is unfamiliar to us, not as good as the ones who have left, unhappy at playing second fiddle to Tom, on high wages and Derby are the recipients of a healthy cash boost. Not to mention that the value of Carson will only go down.

I'm with jdrobbo in thinking that keeping Nick and bringing in a younger understudy is a far better idea. Max O'Leary could do well for us or Joe Lumley from cash strapped QPR.

We could possibly get Lumley and Eze in some form of part exchange for Nahki.

No, wait a minute, I've just had a ridiculous and completely crazy idea. Why don't we get Kelle Roos from Derby instead.

You know, the bloke who kept Carson out of the Derby squad. If he doesn't sign a new contract with Derby then he will be available on a free contract. Should they fail to win promotion in the second leg of the playoofs I dare say we would have a very good chance of prising him away from them.

Lets sign Carson FFS, I'm hoping Nixon is whistling in the wind and he has completely lost the plot. If it's serious then we are going to have to put aside some of our transfer funds to buy ammunition. An ongoing strategy of shooting ourselves in the foot is going to take plenty of shotgun shells.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby ewanrob » Sun May 12, 2019 3:46 pm

Tom out of contract end of next season and will be 34, doesn't make sense with Carson....keep Pope for me.
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Re: Scott Carson

Postby MACCA » Sun May 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Fits the profile

If he comes, then welcome.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby jrgbfc » Sun May 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Don't see the problem with Lindegaard as number 2 tbh.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby SkiptonClaret » Sun May 12, 2019 5:47 pm

MACCA wrote:Fits the profile

If he comes, then welcome.


The profile being “old” I assume ?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby MACCA » Sun May 12, 2019 7:43 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:The profile being “old” I assume ?


Come again?

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Spike » Sun May 12, 2019 10:23 pm

Nixon spends more time getting players names out there for agents than predicting things that actually will happen

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby BOYSIE31 » Sun May 12, 2019 10:27 pm

Why shouldn't Pope be number 1 next season ???

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby IAmAClaret » Sun May 12, 2019 10:54 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:Nick who is arguably the top young keeper in the country.


Nick Pope is 27. Forget the "he is a young keeper", he needs to be playing every week. If it isn't here, it must be somewhere else.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby SGr » Sun May 12, 2019 11:58 pm

Spike wrote:Nixon spends more time getting players names out there for agents than predicting things that actually will happen


I’ve found him to be the most reliable source for us in the last few seasons

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Zom Zom » Mon May 13, 2019 7:00 pm

If there's 2 of the main 3 gks leaving, then I would prefer to keep Pope.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Murger » Mon May 13, 2019 7:12 pm

Pope should start next season as number 1.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby Spijed » Mon May 13, 2019 7:28 pm

Murger wrote:Pope should start next season as number 1.


If Pope starts as number one Heaton will almost certainly want to leave.

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Re: Scott Carson

Postby ClaretAL » Mon May 13, 2019 7:38 pm

I may have missed something, but do we know why Pope hasn't at least featured on the bench as opposed to Hart who is supposedly definitely going?


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