The US are building up to a war, by the looks of it. Hopefully we stay well out of it.

Their withdrawal from the Nuclear deal was the beginning of it. Then Trump appointed John Bolton as his NSA, who has been calling for a war for a decade or two. Recently, and without evidence they're blaming Iran for the sabotage of 4 ships, they've sent a fleet over there to counter unspecified Iranian aggression and have plans to deploy an additional 130,000 troops to the region. And now the State Department has ordered all "non-emergency" government employees to leave Iraq for fear of "imminent attacks" supported by Iran on US personnel, again without details or evidence.

So what's the point of this thread? A sweepstake.

Pick a date for when war will be declared.

I'll start, July 5th, 2019. What better way to celebrate independence than to launch another war the next day?

Winner gets their name in the thread title.

The EU Army will save the day.

Don't worry, it will never come to war. There's a person called Turtle, who comes on here sometimes, is going to get rid of Trump fairly soon.

Trump is playing their game. They know he is not a politician and doesn't do diplomacy, he is unpredictable, possibly crazy enough to launch an attack and not care what the world thinks. With Obama Iran know what they're dealing with so they can string them along, signing peace deals to get funding whilst continuing to build weapons and fund terrorism. As China have found out, they are dealing with an experienced business man who can smell bullshit, not some politician with no experience of real life. Will the real threat of an all out war made by someone who just may do it, we will see

gtclaret wrote:Trump is playing their game. They know he is not a politician and doesn't do diplomacy, he is unpredictable, possibly crazy enough to launch an attack and not care what the world thinks. With Obama Iran know what they're dealing with so they can string them along, signing peace deals to get funding whilst continuing to build weapons and fund terrorism. As China have found out, they are dealing with an experienced business man who can smell bullshit, not some politician with no experience of real life. Will the real threat of an all out war made by someone who just may do it, we will see

Apparently you can't smell bullshit.

gtclaret wrote:Trump is playing their game. They know he is not a politician and doesn't do diplomacy, he is unpredictable, possibly crazy enough to launch an attack and not care what the world thinks. With Obama Iran know what they're dealing with so they can string them along, signing peace deals to get funding whilst continuing to build weapons and fund terrorism. As China have found out, they are dealing with an experienced business man who can smell bullshit, not some politician with no experience of real life. Will the real threat of an all out war made by someone who just may do it, we will see

You are absolutely right with thar assessment.

gtclaret wrote:Trump is playing their game. They know he is not a politician and doesn't do diplomacy, he is unpredictable, possibly crazy enough to launch an attack and not care what the world thinks. With Obama Iran know what they're dealing with so they can string them along, signing peace deals to get funding whilst continuing to build weapons and fund terrorism. As China have found out, they are dealing with an experienced business man who can smell bullshit, not some politician with no experience of real life. Will the real threat of an all out war made by someone who just may do it, we will see

I would say the opposite. I don’t get the impression Trump is good at taking advice from people who know what they’re doing (rather seems to prefer yes-men), and running a business (in his case into the ground in several instances) is vastly different to leading foreign policy. Being unpredictable - as Saddam Hussain, and other similar leaders have been will only take you so far.

Nazis always end up with war.

He may be an experienced businessman that doesn’t make him a good one! I read from his huge family inheritance he’s actually lost more money than he’s ever made!

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:He may be an experienced businessman that doesn’t make him a good one! I read from his huge family inheritance he’s actually lost more money than he’s ever made!

You just know when he starts his war, and the press raise questions as to the legitimacy of it all, he's going to accuse the press of hating America and being unpatriotic.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:He may be an experienced businessman that doesn’t make him a good one! I read from his huge family inheritance he’s actually lost more money than he’s ever made!

I think he has quite a bit of money. Laundering it for Putin and his oligarchs is quite lucrative, I imagine.

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If it be your will wrote:It looks serious - it really does. The only thing making me wonder is the markets haven't moved. If they thought there was an imminent prospect of full scale Middle-East war you'd expect oil and gold to explode. They've barely budged.

So I'll go for a rather more delayed August 28th.

I just looked at the markets before I read this I could have saved time ah ah.

I will go September 1st need time to get everyone out troops ready and sent. Then trump needs to ensure his shares are in the right place for when the market does react

IanMcL wrote:Nazis always end up with war.

Whose the Nazi then?

Ever heard of J. Stalin? Murdered more people last century, including his own family members, than anyone. Was he a Nazi? You want to read some history you do and put aside your naive prejudices.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:He may be an experienced businessman that doesn’t make him a good one! I read from his huge family inheritance he’s actually lost more money than he’s ever made!

Oh dear. Clueless comment.

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Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:He may be an experienced businessman that doesn’t make him a good one! I read from his huge family inheritance he’s actually lost more money than he’s ever made!

That's not strictly true. He just earned less money than if the money had been invested in the stock market and then ignored.

If that is the case I’ll go for February 1st 2020. This is when the air war begins. It gives Trump the whole summer for ground operations.

From BBC: President Trump declares a national emergency to protect US computer networks from "foreign adversaries"

Anyone know what IT is up to these days?

Stayingup wrote:Oh dear. Clueless comment.

The guy loves bragging about his business acumen, but is scared to death of anyone seeing his tax returns. And the only time a significant amount of his tax figures was leak it shows him losing over $1 billion in 10 years.

If you think he's a successful business man then that might be true, but only in the way that money launderers in billions of dollars of debt are successful business men.

On this occasion it is you who are the clueless one. Anyone who thinks Trump is a legitimately successful businessman is clueless.

Test User wrote:The guy loves bragging about his business acumen, but is scared to death of anyone seeing his tax returns. And the only time a significant amount of his tax figures was leak it shows him losing over $1 billion in 10 years.

If you think he's a successful business man then that might be true, but only in the way that money launderers in billions of dollars of debt are successful business men.

On this occasion it is you who are the clueless one. Anyone who thinks Trump is a legitimately successful businessman is clueless.

For the record I think I’m right in saying that Trump junior inherited an awful lot from his family, and rumour has it that money he has made is largely made with the cooperation of the mafia and in paying his bills very very late.

South West Claret. wrote:For the record I think I’m right in saying that Trump junior inherited an awful lot from his family, and rumour has it that money he has made is largely made with the cooperation of the mafia and in paying his bills very very late.

I'm sure he and his cronies are also making a killing in market manipulation too with trade war rhetoric. Not something that would be legal for you or I, but as president he's allowed to profit from threatening economic stability, and so are members of congress. It used to be illegal, briefly, but the Republicans did away with that daft idea of being held to the same laws as the public.

Stayingup wrote:Whose the Nazi then?

Ever heard of J. Stalin? Murdered more people last century, including his own family members, than anyone. Was he a Nazi? You want to read some history you do and put aside your naive prejudices.

SS material!

Your first phrase to learn:
"Jawohl mein Fuhrer" (umlaut on u but cant do that from my phone!



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Trump’s a crook, always been a crook, lies through his teeth, his attention span is that of a rodent. He ‘cut his teeth’ studying Mussolini, the father of fascism. However he covers his tracks very well, the only way he’ll be nailed is through tax offences…………..shades of Al Capone!

Trump’s an all around nasty piece of work, it’s beyond me why the ‘Murican rednecks who voted for him can’t see that!

Test User wrote:I'm sure he and his cronies are also making a killing in market manipulation too with trade war rhetoric. Not something that would be legal for you or I, but as president he's allowed to profit from threatening economic stability, and so are members of congress. It used to be illegal, briefly, but the Republicans did away with that daft idea of being held to the same laws as the public.

Oh yes I forgot about that, remember when Tramp was first elected he gave assurance that his work dealings were hived off to his son I think so on paper it's him who benefits any shorting of the market and gains made thereof.

Has anyone taken the 3 weeks after he is impeached date ?

If not I will have that date

I suppose it's about time the Yanks started another war, they haven't had one for a while and the arms dealers, military equipment manufacturers and helicopter builders (Sikorsky ) will be getting a bit twitchy about their profit levels.

Test User wrote:The US are building up to a war, by the looks of it. Hopefully we stay well out of it.

Their withdrawal from the Nuclear deal was the beginning of it. Then Trump appointed John Bolton as his NSA, who has been calling for a war for a decade or two. Recently, and without evidence they're blaming Iran for the sabotage of 4 ships, they've sent a fleet over there to counter unspecified Iranian aggression and have plans to deploy an additional 130,000 troops to the region. And now the State Department has ordered all "non-emergency" government employees to leave Iraq for fear of "imminent attacks" supported by Iran on US personnel, again without details or evidence.

So what's the point of this thread? A sweepstake.

Pick a date for when war will be declared.

I'll start, July 5th, 2019. What better way to celebrate independence than to launch another war the next day?

Winner gets their name in the thread title.

From what I've read, 130,000 troops is nowhere near enough to invade Iran.

Its a build up to scare them into compliance, and we should only really start panicking if the news reports start reporting US soldiers families being flown home from the Gulf region.

Thats not happened yet.

Lancasterclaret wrote:From what I've read, 130,000 troops is nowhere near enough to invade Iran.

Its a build up to scare them into compliance, and we should only really start panicking if the news reports start reporting US soldiers families being flown home from the Gulf region.

Thats not happened yet.

Agreed. It wouldn't be an invasion it would be a suicide mission. Consider:
350k regular army
125k revolutionary guard
18k navy
30k air force
Plus Basij - a volunteer force of around 600k who are 'probably combat capable'. Iran has claime 1.2 million but this is questionable. Throw in the planes, ships. tanks and missiles and it doesn't look too easy. Forget nuclear power as it is highly unlikely the Russians would sit idly by as the Yanks started firing nukes at an ally and near neighbour.

The logical conclusion is that this won't happen but (and it is a very relevant 'but') America's great leader doesn't seem to have too heavy a grasp on reality at times and doesn't appear to live in a world where there are consequences. In fact his gung ho style is not dissimilar to that of Custer who defied all the odds...and lost spectacularly.

Here's hoping.

Has the war with North Korea, that was apparently nailed on, finished yet?

Lancasterclaret wrote:From what I've read, 130,000 troops is nowhere near enough to invade Iran.

Its a build up to scare them into compliance, and we should only really start panicking if the news reports start reporting US soldiers families being flown home from the Gulf region.

Thats not happened yet.

130k is significant, and yes on it's own isn't a threat to invade Iran, but no one expects the US to invade them alone, nor will an invasion begin without a massive and sustained air campaign.

But invasions aren't the only way America can wage a war. And they don't have to be the country doing the invading, so an invasion force isn't always necessary. However, no matter how the war is waged, or by whom, the US would definitely strengthen their numbers in Iraq for defensive reasons.

Is it over yet, or are we into extra time and pens? (Assuming in a war, away goals don't count double)

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The US are blaming Iran for attacks on 2 tankers in the Gulf of Oman today (they solved that case pretty ******* fast). I'm quite sure they'd blame Iran no matter who actually did it, and it makes no sense for Iran to do it since they know America is just itching for any excuse to create value for shareholders of their weapons makers. But, here we go again.

I was reading about Operation Northwood today.

Wouldn't be overly surprised if the Americans are running an updated version.

been arguing with what appears to be thousands of blue labs on twitter about this.

Everything is a false flag operation and its all the fault of Israel

Just mentioning to them that this looks like, sounds like and almost certainly is speedboats or motor launches with Revolutionary Guards with a portable missile launcher.

They did it during the Iran-Iraq War, and its perfect deniability for Iran because it causes maximum disruption for minimal effort.

Also reinforces the belief that Iran is still very factionalised, and whatever comes out of Tehran might not be what the local commanders of the Revolutionary Guards in the Straits want to come out.

Still no sign of troops families leaving the Gulf region in numbers yet (which is a positive)

Wasways going to come after Aidan switched front the dollar to euro for trade.

I’m not usually one for conspiracies etc .... but the trend of countries America has gone after for financial reasons means that it’s past the tinfoil hat phase.

https://youtu.be/r8YtF76s-yM

7 years ago ........ *edited as the interview was actually 12 years ago*

It’s all ringing pretty true bar the “5 years” which is understandable.

Nobody would have really predicted all this on a whim that long ago and got so close to the truth.

Imploding Turtle wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1139236999464927233

The US are blaming Iran for attacks on 2 tankers in the Gulf of Oman today (they solved that case pretty ******* fast). I'm quite sure they'd blame Iran no matter who actually did it, and it makes no sense for Iran to do it since they know America is just itching for any excuse to create value for shareholders of their weapons makers. But, here we go again.

That's shocking that the Americans are blaming a country for such warmongering behaviour based on nothing more than a hunch, some past form and an ongoing dislike of their current regime.

Thank goodness you're here to warn us of this American behaviour based on a hunch, some past form and an ongoing dislike of their current regime.

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Still no sign of troops families leaving the Gulf region in numbers yet (which is a positive)

Do not read anything into this lack of movement, Trump won't do anything that will show intention (and this movement of families is a well known indicator) on this tactic and they (families) may very well be collateral this time.

Check stock prices on arms....

thatdberight wrote:That's shocking that the Americans are blaming a country for such warmongering behaviour based on nothing more than a hunch, some past form and an ongoing dislike of their current regime.

Thank goodness you're here to warn us of this American behaviour based on a hunch, some past form and an ongoing dislike of their current regime.

bfccrazy wrote:https://youtu.be/r8YtF76s-yM

7 years ago ........

It’s all ringing pretty true bar the “5 years” which is understandable.

Nobody would have really predicted all this on a whim that long ago and got so close to the truth.

Have a watch of this and it’s pretty obvious why people have this hunch ..... it’s been coming for ages and isn’t surprising really.

https://youtu.be/bSL3JqorkdU

Looked up the interview I posted a snippet of earlier and it’s a very hard hitting watch 12 years on with everything we know has happened since this interview was done.

Meh, Tom Clancy has predicted pretty much everything that's happened since the 80's. Probably not hard if you're down with a bit of knowledge in the matters.

For what it's worth I blame CIA or Mossad for these bombings. Profit and dirty work done for you by the Saudi's, what's not to love?

bfccrazy wrote:Have a watch of this and it’s pretty obvious why people have this hunch ..... it’s been coming for ages and isn’t surprising really.

I've no doubt he agrees with us, he just wants to start an argument so that he can accuse me of starting an argument to get other people to accuse me of starting an argument because it makes him feel better about himself, i guess.

Imploding Turtle wrote:I've no doubt he agrees with us, he just wants to start an argument so that he can accuse me of starting an argument to get other people to accuse me of starting an argument because it makes him feel better about himself, i guess.

Please stop with your crazy theories and having a debate - just shout louder.

Boris will follow Trump into a war in exchange for a trade deal.

CombatClaret wrote:Boris will follow Trump into a war in exchange for a trade deal.

No way does a majority of MPs back it.

South West Claret. wrote:For the record I think I’m right in saying that Trump junior inherited an awful lot from his family, and rumour has it that money he has made is largely made with the cooperation of the mafia and in paying his bills very very late.

If, by "mafia" you mean the Clintons then it is nearly correct.

But to be more specific, it's just a load of nonsense.

Looks like someone swallowed a load from the Gateway Pundit's of the world.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Looks like someone swallowed a load from the Gateway Pundit's of the world.

Trust you to agree with the OP.

The owner of one of the ships attacked is saying the US is wrong about the attack, in quite significant ways i think too.

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