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Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:14 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Not in it for the nations cup

Big blow for him

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:14 pm
by ZizkovClaret
Yet Gomez is? Its an absolute joke.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:18 pm
by claretdj
Why does Ben Mee never get called up? :roll:

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:02 pm
by COBBLE
Might help keep him at BFC for a bit longer.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:13 pm
by BurnleyFC
Some of Southgate’s decisions are baffling at times.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:14 pm
by Quickenthetempo
We have conceded far too many goals to have an international in the defence.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:24 pm
by theroyaldyche
Good
Keep him ready for.prem

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:27 pm
by edison
Southgate must think Gomez has deserved his call up, based on his 1 start (Barca 3-0) and five substitute appearances since returning - in which he came on in the 66th, 86th, 88th, 85th and 84th minutes.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:31 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Quickenthetempo wrote:We have conceded far too many goals to have an international in the defence.



Yet happy enough to pick the goalkeeper ?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:02 pm
by ashtonlongsider
Think it's fair to say Tarks hasn't been as consistent this season. He's had good spells in most games but not over 90 minutes. Certainly better last season IMO.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:10 pm
by Spijed
BurnleyFC wrote:Some of Southgate’s decisions are baffling at times.


Fabian Delph for one.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:26 pm
by Quickenthetempo
claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Yet happy enough to pick the goalkeeper ?

Heaton has done alright but England are poor for keepers at the moment.
Butland getting picked from middle of the championship proves that.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:27 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Quickenthetempo wrote:Heaton has done alright but England are poor for keepers at the moment.
Butland getting picked from middle of the championship proves that.



So Tarks is down to better defenders then not goals conceded ?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:28 pm
by WestMidsClaret
When I've seen Gomez which hasn't obviously been a lot this season I haven't seen whatever Gareth has seen. I'm not sure I rate him. Tarks may have been inconsistent at times this season but how the hell do you pick someone who's hardly played over Tarks. If someone had been hugely consistent and/or had a good season then fair enough.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:37 pm
by karatekid
Does Southgate know that Ben Mee is English?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:38 pm
by Braindead
I might be in the minority here but i don't think Tarks is anywhere near England class.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:42 pm
by Quickenthetempo
claretonthecoast1882 wrote:So Tarks is down to better defenders then not goals conceded ?

Ask Gareth

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:45 pm
by thelaughingclaret
For Maddison not to be picked after the season he has had seems very odd. As we all know, it’s not how you play of even if you play, it’s who you play for.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:46 pm
by 4:20
Hasn't hit the heights he did last season but was a massive player for us post boxing day, as were all the back four/five and Heaton. Hopefully he'll still be around in August to start our new season alongside Mee, Taylor and Lowts/Bards/New signing

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:48 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Quickenthetempo wrote:Ask Gareth



Like you did when deciding why Tarks wasn't in ? Ok expert

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:53 pm
by jojomk1
Not been as consistent this season and his distribution has been off especially those 40yd crossfield balls that usually ended up in the stands
Southgate has been watching him enough this season to make a reasoned decision.
Gomez was of course attacked whilst on the pitch by Mee :D, so can understand Southgate wanting to see more of him this summer
Delph and Dier are way off the standard required

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:57 pm
by Murger
thelaughingclaret wrote:For Maddison not to be picked after the season he has had seems very odd. As we all know, it’s not how you play of even if you play, it’s who you play for.


He hasn't been picked because the under 21s have a tournament this summer.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:59 pm
by edison
thelaughingclaret wrote:For Maddison not to be picked after the season he has had seems very odd. As we all know, it’s not how you play of even if you play, it’s who you play for.


Exactly, not a Leicester player in the squad...oh

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:59 pm
by Goobs
jojomk1 wrote:Not been as consistent this season and his distribution has been off especially those 40yd crossfield balls that usually ended up in the stands
Southgate has been watching him enough this season to make a reasoned decision.
Gomez was of course attacked whilst on the pitch by Mee :D, so can understand Southgate wanting to see more of him this summer
Delph and Dier are way off the standard required

Wasn't it TAA that Ben Mee Knobbled?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 pm
by whiffa
Gomez has hardly played this season, to pick him above Tarky is a joke on that basis alone.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 pm
by Spijed
Goobs wrote:Wasn't it TAA that Ben Mee Knobbled?


No, it was Gomez.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:08 pm
by Hipper
I thought Gomez was pretty impressive playing alongside Van Dijk. He seemed to work better then Matip and much better then Lovren.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:09 pm
by jrgbfc
claretdj wrote:Why does Ben Mee never get called up? :roll:


Cos he isn't good enough?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:09 pm
by jrgbfc
whiffa wrote:Gomez has hardly played this season, to pick him above Tarky is a joke on that basis alone.


But football wise he's head and shoulders above Tarkowski.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:19 pm
by Spijed
jrgbfc wrote:But football wise he's head and shoulders above Tarkowski.


No, that's Joe Hart who you are thinking about!

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:28 pm
by IanMcL
He likes young folk.

When they make errors, he can excuse them. When they fail collectively they are building for the future

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:30 pm
by edison
If Tarks and Mee were called up, we'd have folk asking `what about Taylor?'

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:33 pm
by whiffa
jrgbfc wrote:But football wise he's head and shoulders above Tarkowski.


I'd disagree, not seen enough of him to make a valid argument though.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:36 pm
by jrgbfc
I'd say Gomez slotting into the Liverpool and England teams at such a young age and not putting a foot wrong suggests he's far better than Tarkowski. If Mee and Tarks were playing for say, Southampton would people on here still be calling for them to be in the England squad?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:42 pm
by Murger
A fully fit Gomez is so much better than Tarks.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:42 pm
by Woodleyclaret
Tarks is a class defender and far better than Gomez.
But the media pick England teams and love Liverpool players.Henderson is awful but gets selected for every squad

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:46 pm
by whiffa
I mean based on your reasoning Alexander-Arnold is better than Kyle Walker? I rate AA but he had an absolute shocker in the game against us later this season so I guess how do you judge the form of a youngster? My point with Gomez missing a large portion of the season is the only valid point really, based on number of games I'd have taken Tarky over Gomez.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:52 pm
by CoolClaret
karatekid wrote:Does Southgate know that Ben Mee is English?


England play out from the back, whilst Ben Mee is a brilliant defender, watching him in possession is absolutely excruciating - he's woeful with the ball.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:53 pm
by Pearcey
The centre halves selected are better than ours. I’m still glad we’ve got them though.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:00 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
Time to take Southgate's season ticket for t'Turf off him.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:04 pm
by Cleveleys_claret
thelaughingclaret wrote:For Maddison not to be picked after the season he has had seems very odd. As we all know, it’s not how you play of even if you play, it’s who you play for.


Dont think the incident he had at his clubs xmas party has helped

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:17 pm
by Quickenthetempo
claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Like you did when deciding why Tarks wasn't in ? Ok expert

No, I just can't be arsed getting in a conversation with you.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:46 pm
by SalisburyClaret
Odd selections throughout - Winks, Wilson, Rice - not sure any of are International class.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:47 pm
by Fretters
Delph is a very good player who, when fit, is often picked by one of the best managers in the world to play in one of the best teams in the world.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:18 pm
by Long Time Lurker
From a Burnley point of view I'm happy to hear this, selfish I know.

Taking into account his playing time with us Tarks has been on the go for a long time. He played the majority of last season ( including the Europa ), before that he was involved in the England set up and had an operation, prior to that he played another full season.

The lad could do with a rest to recharge his batteries and enjoy his life outside of football in the company of his family and friends. We will benefit from that next season.

I would have liked Mee to get a look in though. After a slow start he has been excellent for us, especially in the last few games. His distribution is also showing improvement.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:53 pm
by jrgbfc
SalisburyClaret wrote:Odd selections throughout - Winks, Wilson, Rice - not sure any of are International class.


Which midfielders do we have better than Rice/Winks who aren't in the squad then?

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:03 pm
by Vegas Claret
thelaughingclaret wrote:For Maddison not to be picked after the season he has had seems very odd. As we all know, it’s not how you play of even if you play, it’s who you play for.


probably because he is a liability with all his diving and cheating. Southgate seems an honest guy, I don't think he appreciates cheats

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:02 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Quickenthetempo wrote:No, I just can't be arsed getting in a conversation with you.



Shame really, I enjoy your pearls of wisdom especially with your knowledge. You may have to go some though from beating your hope Tiger Roll isn't retired to stud. Keep up the good work.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:29 am
by willsclarets
Rice, Winks and Gomez are all excellent young players who he wants to take a look at clearly, and given their ability I don't see why it's such a baffling decision at all. Will Gomez start in the middle or will Stones, Maguire/Keane and Walker? Is it that weird to have a 21 year old breaking through at Liverpool in the squad?
He's had a good look at Tarkowski and for now doesn't think he's quite up to it at that level. I tend to agree.

Re: Tarks out of England Squad

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:30 am
by beddie
I wouldn't be that dissapointed if I was JT. Southgate is looking at all options which I think he should be doing as England Manager so there's plenty of opportunity for James to get back in the squad. He's not been consistent enough this season but he'll know that himself. He can now get a well earned rest and come back feeIing stronger than ever.