CFS wrote:I'd say it's a fact personally

As would 99.9% of people who know what a racist is as well.

Sure he will have also shared his policies on schools, poverty, NHS, employment etc with his followers tonight.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Sure he will have also shared his policies on schools, poverty, NHS, employment etc with his followers tonight.

I'm guessing that if he has, he's blamed it all on immigration in some way.

CFS wrote:I'd say it's a fact personally

Then you would be wrong.

Looks as absolutely chav-tastic as you’d expect

gandhisflipflop wrote:Then you would be wrong.

Is this a FACT?

Lancasterclaret wrote:Is this a FACT?

Knew this was coming, going around in circles to deflect from the actual point. A leftist tactic similar to when they shout 'snowflake'. You know full well it was an opinion.

gandhisflipflop wrote:Knew this was coming, going around in circles to deflect from the actual point. A leftist tactic similar to when they shout 'snowflake'. You know full well it was an opinion.

Yeah, but an opinion has to be backed by something more concrete than you quite like what he's saying?

it is perfectly possible to agree with some of what he says while admitting thats he's a racist.

For all you leftie morons who thinks people who support Tommy are idiots then maybe check out Paul Weston on youtube. Of course you wont though coz you dont let facts get in the way of a good argument

DomBFC1882 wrote:For all you leftie morons who thinks people who support Tommy are idiots then maybe check out Paul Weston on youtube. Of course you wont though coz you dont let facts get in the way of a good argument

I’m prepared to accept one or two of Tommy’s supporters aren’t idiots, but anything more than that is the stuff of fantasy!

DomBFC1882 wrote:For all you leftie morons who thinks people who support Tommy are idiots then maybe check out Paul Weston on youtube. Of course you wont though coz you dont let facts get in the way of a good argument

Paul Weston!? Are you for real?

Watch his latest video and tell me what's incorrect? The irony of saying am I for real yet some of the people you no doubt support dont deserve oxygen let alone an opinion

I must've missed all these intellectuals who are supporters of Tommy Robinson!

Who said intellectuals?

DomBFC1882 wrote:For all you leftie morons who thinks people who support Tommy are idiots then maybe check out Paul Weston on youtube. Of course you wont though coz you dont let facts get in the way of a good argument

One thing we are good at is facts. Thats why we know he's a racist.

DomBFC1882 wrote:For all you leftie morons who thinks people who support Tommy are idiots then maybe check out Paul Weston on youtube. Of course you wont though coz you dont let facts get in the way of a good argument

What’s the point of asking folk to watch YouTube videos during a discussion like this? Do you really expect anyone to waste 10 mins of their life watching some bloke they don’t agree with? Why not take some of the best facts and arguments from the video and explain them to us here?

I mean, I occasionally get into arguments with religious folk on here, but I don’t try to send them off to watch Christopher Hitchens or Dan Dennett. I just watch - and enjoy - those videos myself and may use the stuff I learn from them to argue a point on the internet.

If nothing else, I refuse to watch any YouTube clip recommended by a TR fan because it would really mess with the algorithm and I’d end up with a stream of far right crap being suggested for me.

Greenmile wrote:What’s the point of asking folk to watch YouTube videos during a discussion like this? Do you really expect anyone to waste 10 mins of their life watching some bloke they don’t agree with? Why not take some of the best facts and arguments from the video and explain them to us here?

I mean, I occasionally get into arguments with religious folk on here, but I don’t try to send them off to watch Christopher Hitchens or Dan Dennett. I just watch - and enjoy - those videos myself and may use the stuff I learn from them to argue a point on the internet.

If nothing else, I refuse to watch any YouTube clip recommended by a TR fan because it would really mess with the algorithm and I’d end up with a stream of far right crap being suggested for me.

I regret ever looking for a new bed mattress online.

I'd feel less clean watching a clip of a TR fan or anyone who shares his disgusting views.

DomBFC1882 wrote:Watch his latest video and tell me what's incorrect? The irony of saying am I for real yet some of the people you no doubt support dont deserve oxygen let alone an opinion

Like whom?

Greenmile wrote:What’s the point of asking folk to watch YouTube videos during a discussion like this? Do you really expect anyone to waste 10 mins of their life watching some bloke they don’t agree with? Why not take some of the best facts and arguments from the video and explain them to us here?

I mean, I occasionally get into arguments with religious folk on here, but I don’t try to send them off to watch Christopher Hitchens or Dan Dennett. I just watch - and enjoy - those videos myself and may use the stuff I learn from them to argue a point on the internet.

If nothing else, I refuse to watch any YouTube clip recommended by a TR fan because it would really mess with the algorithm and I’d end up with a stream of far right crap being suggested for me.

Says it all really yet we put up with lies daily through the mainstream media. That's the thing with the "right" we get a much better picture of what's going on compared to the left where you're only prepared to listen to the one side. As I say check out the video as I've had a long say at work and I really dont feel like typing anymore.

I keep getting told Tommy is racist, but nobody ever explains why.
Has he been done for racism in the courts of law?

I don't follow him and certainly won't vote for him but I'm grateful for all the noise he makes about grooming gangs that got protected by Labour councillors. Keeping it in the news is the only way to prevent it. Keep the pressure on.

DomBFC1882 wrote:Says it all really yet we put up with lies daily through the mainstream media. That's the thing with the "right" we get a much better picture of what's going on compared to the left where you're only prepared to listen to the one side. As I say check out the video as I've had a long say at work and I really dont feel like typing anymore.

A long say at work?

You should try doing some!

Dom, I am genuinely trying to understand what right wing people want so I have just watched and listened to a video from Paul Weston as you suggested. I am sorry, but it is really, really poor. He was quoting things that people had said fifty years ago and then trying to say that the social and cultural changes that have taken place in the intervening period were part of a communist plot to destroy society. He even said that the decline in British industrial output and in our education system was due to this plot. He kept on making these assertions but with no evidence and no substantial argument to back up what he is saying.

I don't want to be rude, but this fellow is an intellectual midget whose lines of analysis just won't stand up to any form of meaningful scrutiny.

I would be interested to hear what you think a government should be doing to change the country. What are the things you don't like and how can they be changed? Surely that sort of discussion would be more helpful.

fidelcastro wrote:A long say at work?

You should try doing some!

Typo you moron

DomBFC1882 wrote:Typo you moron

Oh, the irony!

DomBFC1882 wrote:Typo you moron

Such anger.

Erasmus wrote:Dom, I am genuinely trying to understand what right wing people want so I have just watched and listened to a video from Paul Weston as you suggested. I am sorry, but it is really, really poor. He was quoting things that people had said fifty years ago and then trying to say that the social and cultural changes that have taken place in the intervening period were part of a communist plot to destroy society. He even said that the decline in British industrial output and in our education system was due to this plot. He kept on making these assertions but with no evidence and no substantial argument to back up what he is saying.

I don't want to be rude, but this fellow is an intellectual midget whose lines of analysis just won't stand up to any form of meaningful scrutiny.

I would be interested to hear what you think a government should be doing to change the country. What are the things you don't like and how can they be changed? Surely that sort of discussion would be more helpful.

Firstly fair play to you for listening to it. On the topic of policing at Oldham, do you think that was handled well? Do you think 100 people throwing bricks is ok? It's the left who constantly go to Tommy's events to intimidate the odd idiot there and fair enough it does work sometimes. To call working class people who havent got a voice and cant identify with anyone in politics sk they look up to a working class man like Tommy is just plain ignorant.

Just to throw light humour, I can't wait for the green party's manifesto!

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Such anger.

Yeah I'm absolutely fuming. Grow up. The "s" is next to the "d" on the keypad it's an easy mistake to make

DomBFC1882 wrote:Says it all really yet we put up with lies daily through the mainstream media. That's the thing with the "right" we get a much better picture of what's going on compared to the left where you're only prepared to listen to the one side. As I say check out the video as I've had a long say at work and I really dont feel like typing anymore.

I’m totally prepared to listen to you - that’s why I like the political threads on here, because you get a wide range of views across the spectrum.

What I’m not prepared to do is waste my time watching some random far-right YouTuber. Are you really incapable of summarising some of this blokes best points on here? I’ll make allowances for the fact that you’re probably not as good at presenting facts and arguments as the YouTube guy (like I can’t argue as well as Hitchens), but I’m sure it can’t be too complicated for you to sum up his arguments.

DomBFC1882 wrote:Says it all really yet we put up with lies daily through the mainstream media. That's the thing with the "right" we get a much better picture of what's going on compared to the left where you're only prepared to listen to the one side. As I say check out the video as I've had a long say at work and I really dont feel like typing anymore.

You get all your news from Youtube?

Well, that explains a lot.

EDIT - that was a bit low and I apologise. There is some good stuff on there but as with any news, you need to watch or read or listen to the other side as well.

Erasmus wrote:Dom, I am genuinely trying to understand what right wing people want so I have just watched and listened to a video from Paul Weston as you suggested. I am sorry, but it is really, really poor. He was quoting things that people had said fifty years ago and then trying to say that the social and cultural changes that have taken place in the intervening period were part of a communist plot to destroy society. He even said that the decline in British industrial output and in our education system was due to this plot. He kept on making these assertions but with no evidence and no substantial argument to back up what he is saying.

I don't want to be rude, but this fellow is an intellectual midget whose lines of analysis just won't stand up to any form of meaningful scrutiny.

I would be interested to hear what you think a government should be doing to change the country. What are the things you don't like and how can they be changed? Surely that sort of discussion would be more helpful.

RIP your YouTube recommendations.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to identity with someone in politics but this cretin really? What does he give you hope about if he was to be elected? What are his other policies?

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:There is nothing wrong with wanting to identity with someone in politics but this cretin really? What does he give you hope about if he was to be elected? What are his other policies?

Who's the alternative Steve just out of interest?

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:There is nothing wrong with wanting to identity with someone in politics but this cretin really? What does he give you hope about if he was to be elected? What are his other policies?

He's going to save the NHS by promising never to be ill.

Quickenthetempo wrote:I keep getting told Tommy is racist, but nobody ever explains why...

See Falcon’s post 138 on this very thread.

Greenmile wrote:I’m totally prepared to listen to you - that’s why I like the political threads on here, because you get a wide range of views across the spectrum.

What I’m not prepared to do is waste my time watching some random far-right YouTuber. Are you really incapable of summarising some of this blokes best points on here? I’ll make allowances for the fact that you’re probably not as good at presenting facts and arguments as the YouTube guy (like I can’t argue as well as Hitchens), but I’m sure it can’t be too complicated for you to sum up his arguments.

I respect you Greenmile you seem a decent guy. Basically some of the points hes made I've put into questions back to you in a reply earlier mate

I won’t be voting for him but respect the right of those that do, I think a few people will be surprised at how many votes he gets this time. I watched the rally on a stream to see if he made any good points, it was exactly how I expected and didn’t change my views, found the love in a little odd, he’s treated like a king by his followers

DomBFC1882 wrote:Who's the alternative Steve just out of interest?

Plenty of alternatives depending on what you want improving for me it’s a party or candidate who put jobs, health and education first for example.

Again though what are his other policies out of interest?

Apologies it was in a reply to erasmus

DomBFC1882 wrote:I respect you Greenmile you seem a decent guy. Basically some of the points hes made I've put into questions back to you in a reply earlier mate

Is it because he offers something different than the status quo, and that deep down you know its probably not going to be better, but it might be, and that you know if you vote for anyone else then it definitely won't be?

Thats the view that I hold for his support (but a lot of that is me straw clutching because I've been a Burnley fan for a long time and I know what some of our support believed in the 80s and 90s.)

Is that fair?

Apologies Greenmile, quoted the wrong post, should have been one of Doms.

Lancasterclaret wrote:You get all your news from Youtube?

Well, that explains a lot.

EDIT - that was a bit low and I apologise. There is some good stuff on there but as with any news, you need to watch or read or listen to the other side as well.

It was a bit low - there’s some brilliant informative stuff on YouTube. The bit about mainstream media lies is a bit of a red flag to suggest Dom is more of a fan of the batsh1t mental corners of YouTube though. It’s just a small step from there to bluelabrador territory.

Talking of which, what happened to Bluelab? Did Mossad finally track her down?

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Plenty of alternatives depending on what you want improving for me it’s a party or candidate who put jobs, health and education first for example.

Again though what are his other policies out of interest?

Yeah the same people who refuse to acknowledge that theres a problem with a certain ideology. People are waking up and you will see that on Friday morning

DomBFC1882 wrote:I respect you Greenmile you seem a decent guy. Basically some of the points hes made I've put into questions back to you in a reply earlier mate

...and now I feel bad for comparing you to Bluelab. No offence meant.

Edit - and do you mean your reply to Erasmus? I don’t know about the policing aspect but in general I’d say there are nobheads on both sides. It’s just a shame that your side has chosen one of the nobheads (Yaxley-Lennon) as your figurehead. If the left put up a violent ex-con as a candidate, I’d probably have to spoil my vote.

Greenmile wrote:It was a bit low - there’s some brilliant informative stuff on YouTube. The bit about mainstream media lies is a bit of a red flag to suggest Dom is more of a fan of the batsh1t mental corners of YouTube though. It’s just a small step from there to bluelabrador territory.

Talking of which, what happened to Bluelab? Did Mossad finally track her down?

One thing is for sure, if Mossad have done him/her in, then we'd never know.

Dom, no I think throwing stones, milk shakes or any form of insulting language is absolutely wrong. My left wing values are based on a desire to see the best life possible for as many people as possible, regardless of race, creed, colour, gender, sexuality etc. Throwing bricks at political opponents offends against the basic moral precepts on which my left wing politics are based.

And I would certainly agree that the north of England and particularly those who form the poorest sections of our society don't have a proper voice and are effectively disenfranchised, though in my view Margaret Thatcher was the arch-offender in that regard.

But the slightest glance at history shows the manner in which the hard right of the political spectrum will always try to exploit any social deprivation by blaming minority communities for all the problems people are experiencing. The real cause of the harsh situation experienced by the poorer sections of our society is not migrants or minorities but the unchecked rise of the free market which prioritises profit over the well being of society. So my advice would be that you are right to be angry and frustrated but don't listen to the vicious misrepresentations of those who want to blame racial and religious minorities for the problems we face.

1Simpleton wrote:Just to throw light humour, I can't wait for the green party's manifesto!

Am I the only one who doesn't really understand this post or its purpose?
If you want to read the Green Party manifesto then why not google it and download it?
You can then compare it to the other manifestos, except of course, the Brexit Party and our Tommy, who don't have one

Is he our southern king in the north? Ponces

DomBFC1882 wrote:Yeah the same people who refuse to acknowledge that theres a problem with a certain ideology. People are waking up and you will see that on Friday morning

So apart from his policy on this certain ideology what other policies have attracted you to vote for him?

Erasmus wrote:Dom, no I think throwing stones, milk shakes or any form of insulting language is absolutely wrong. My left wing values are based on a desire to see the best life possible for as many people as possible, regardless of race, creed, colour, gender, sexuality etc. Throwing bricks at political opponents offends against the basic moral precepts on which my left wing politics are based.

And I would certainly agree that the north of England and particularly those who form the poorest sections of our society don't have a proper voice and are effectively disenfranchised, though in my view Margaret Thatcher was the arch-offender in that regard.

But the slightest glance at history shows the manner in which the hard right of the political spectrum will always try to exploit any social deprivation by blaming minority communities for all the problems people are experiencing. The real cause of the harsh situation experienced by the poorer sections of our society is not migrants or minorities but the unchecked rise of the free market which prioritises profit over the well being of society. So my advice would be that you are right to be angry and frustrated but don't listen to the vicious misrepresentations of those who want to blame racial and religious minorities for the problems we face.

Hard to disagree with most of that mate. Fair play to you. Tommy is more of a game changer vote if I'm bring honest so the elite realise the working classes are here and have feelings and genuine concerns we arent allowed to Express and if we do were called fascists and nazi thugs which is insane really. Yes there are idiots who follow him I'm not going to deny that but I'm certainly not an idiot (dont know what my friends say haha) and there are many more like me. The more I get called names and we as people the stronger we become. It's a small pack mentality, a bit like going to watch the clarets away. I hope that explains it a little better