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Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Pstotto » Sat May 18, 2019 1:53 pm

... to build them up to be our rivals and enemies. We need new people to be have wars with, where there is a bit more sport than colonialism. Let's educate them here and to send them back with a blueprint for our destruction. Let's destroy our own country according to letting them have free reign over us in other words 'Let them have a go at running a developed country, to feel what it's like. Give them our inventions, our products and our know-how, otherwise its boring.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby taio » Sat May 18, 2019 1:56 pm

Just thinking the same myself.
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby tim_noone » Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 pm

Pstotto wrote:... to build them up to be our rivals and enemies. We need new people to be have wars with, where there is a bit more sport than colonialism. Let's educate them here and to send them back with a blueprint for our destruction. Let's destroy our own country according to letting them have free reign over us in other words 'Let them have a go at running a developed country, to feel what it's like. Give them our inventions, our products and our know-how, otherwise its boring.

I thought they were running what is deemed a developed country...we'd be buggered bowt em.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Woonderbah » Sat May 18, 2019 2:10 pm

Thought this was gonna be about loaning Joe Hart to Rovers
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sat May 18, 2019 2:18 pm

The best thing that can happen to the developing world is that they lose their Marxist economic politics, stop blaming colonialism for their problems and start trading effectively with each other - and ourselves.

There's lots of good examples of this happening and it's already producing results.

The one thing we can categorically say does not lift countries out of poverty is aid and charity. The west has been sending increasing amounts of aid and charity to places such as Africa for well over 30 years now with very minimal results. Of course, it has helped keep people alive and worked as a last resort in cases of war and politically motivated man-made famines but if a country is to actually drag itself out of poverty then it has to do so on its own terms as China and India have (and are) demonstrating.

Interestingly, the idea that countries who become developed then become our "enemies" is a nonsense. It's the kind of world view shared by those who think the the UK couldn't survive as an independent nation after Brexit. 'How will we compete with the Chinese??!!!' is a typical lament. This is bad thinking though because developed countries are countries who trade and countries who trade are not our "enemies"; they are our trade partners and by trading with each other we enrich each other.
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby RalphCoatesComb » Sat May 18, 2019 2:23 pm

Whilst I have no problem with helping anyone who needs it, we appear to be helping others who are supposed to be less well off than us when OUR infrastructure is SH!TE. Just look at the state of our roads! :? :cry:

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Funkydrummer » Sat May 18, 2019 3:10 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:Whilst I have no problem with helping anyone who needs it, we appear to be helping others who are supposed to be less well off than us when OUR infrastructure is SH!TE. Just look at the state of our roads! :? :cry:


I agree entirely - it's an old saying, but "get your own house in order first"

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Pstotto » Sat May 18, 2019 3:22 pm

I think some developing countries are now up and ready so.... :-)

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Copy and paste... :-)

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Devils_Advocate » Sat May 18, 2019 3:26 pm

Think Rowls has found his level for his political musings on these crank Psotto threads
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Spike » Sat May 18, 2019 3:46 pm

Bolton food bank?

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby bfccrazy » Sat May 18, 2019 3:53 pm

Rowls wrote:The best thing that can happen to the developing world is that they lose their Marxist economic politics, stop blaming colonialism for their problems and start trading effectively with each other - and ourselves.


Didn’t Gadaffi want this to come to fruition?

Along with Sadam Hussein wanting oil to be paid for in Euro or gold and not dollars (which america could always print more of)?

What happened to those guys?

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sat May 18, 2019 4:12 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Didn’t Gadaffi want this to come to fruition?
Along with Sadam Hussein wanting oil to be paid for in Euro or gold and not dollars (which america could always print more of)?
What happened to those guys?


Here you are:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 218485.stm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15387872

These guys were military dictators who lived and died by the sword. Hardly responsible model leaders who espoused economic freedoms.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby bfccrazy » Sat May 18, 2019 4:17 pm

Rowls wrote:Here you are:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 218485.stm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15387872

These guys were military dictators who lived and died by the sword. Hardly responsible model leaders who espoused economic freedoms.


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Because taking over the country and making education, housing and medical help free and then trying to sort out low cost housing/free housing whilst increasing the wages of people in that country is probably not the best way to help with economic freedom.

You got me there tbh.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sat May 18, 2019 4:21 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
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Because taking over the country and making education, housing and medical help free and then trying to sort out low cost housing/free housing whilst increasing the wages of people in that country is probably not the best way to help with economic freedom.

You got me there tbh.


Yep.

who'd have thought military dictators espousing socialism was a sure fire way to creating a cess pit of a country?

Not you, that's for sure.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby bfccrazy » Sat May 18, 2019 4:22 pm

Rowls wrote:Yep.

who'd have thought military dictators espousing socialism was a sure fire way to creating a cess pit of a country?

Not you, that's for sure.


I’m guessing you think the NATO led bombing of the country helped make it much better?

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm

Overheard in a pub:

"Do you remember that Colonel Gaddafi?"
"What, you mean the well-known social housing reformer?"
"Yeah, that's the fella..."

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby bfccrazy » Sat May 18, 2019 4:26 pm

Rowls wrote:Overheard in a pub:

"Do you remember that Colonel Gaddafi?"
"What, you mean the well-known social housing reformer?"
"Yeah, that's the fella..."


The point being that people don’t know what he actually did for his own country alongside the crazier stuff he supported and did.

If his wacky plans of uniting Africa under one currency which was backed with gold were fulfilled then it would have rocked the rest of the world to the core with the amount of “goods” they could have demanded a hefty price for.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Erasmus » Sat May 18, 2019 7:52 pm

Rowls, you really do need to take the time to find out about global economics. For example, the country in Latin America with the longest life expectancy, lowest level of infant mortality and the highest rate of literacy is Cuba. The free market, governed and controlled by the USA, isn't doing a lot for El Salvador or Panama is it. And the success of Cuba is in spite of the blockade imposed and enforced on other countries by the USA.

And the poorer countries of the world would love to trade with us in a better way, but we won't let them. Colonialism certainly held countries back in their economic development but of course that is from a previous era. But what we do have is a global economic system that is very heavily weighted in favour of the rich countries in a way that keeps the poor countries poor.

A couple of examples for you to think about (and possibly even read up on): I used to visit Kerala every year and got to know the local fishermen quite well. They told me that previously they had to pay extortionate rental fees for their boats to the rich owners to the extent that they could never break free of grinding poverty. However, when the Communist Party took power in Kerala they bought boats for the fishermen to use and charged only modest rents for them, which lifted them out of poverty. But of course, two legs bad.

And I was once talking about trade to a pastor from Tanzania and I asked him what difference it would make if his country was ruled by an economic genius who was as honest as Jesus Christ, to which he replied, 'No difference at all, you tell us what to grow and we grow it, you tell us how much we will get for our produce and that's what we get.'

You need to learn a bit more before pontificating, and to try to see beyond your own dogmatic certainties. The reality of a situation is always far more subtle than can be allowed for in a rigid, dogmatic ideology.
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sun May 19, 2019 3:20 am

bfccrazy wrote:The point being that people don’t know what he actually did for his own country alongside the crazier stuff he supported and did.

If his wacky plans of uniting Africa under one currency which was backed with gold were fulfilled then it would have rocked the rest of the world to the core with the amount of “goods” they could have demanded a hefty price for.


Sounds a bit like the Euro. That's hardly "rocked the rest of the world" even despite the European economy being ten times bigger than the African economy.

What it has done, though, is drive Greece, Portgual, Ireland, Spain and Italy into dire economic straits, driven up unemployment and given rise to a wave of extremist populism (left and right wing) across Europe.

The point being here that you may as well say that Mussolini "got the trains on time" or "at least Hitler always paid his barber on time" if you're going to try to frame Colonel Gadaffi as some kind of "social housing reformer".

Like I said earlier - Marxist economic ideas will do as Marxist economic ideas will do.

The alternative is capitalism - and capitalism lifts thousands out of poverty day after day after day after day... and it's still happening.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Pstotto » Sun May 19, 2019 7:00 am

New field of play: World climate change and ever-decreasing resources v. world growth culture and ever-increasing needs.

... And we have a decade to get that sorted.

Personally I think nuke Asia from Cyprus to Hokkaido.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby martin_p » Sun May 19, 2019 9:17 am

Rowls wrote:Sounds a bit like the Euro. That's hardly "rocked the rest of the world" even despite the European economy being ten times bigger than the African economy.

What it has done, though, is drive Greece, Portgual, Ireland, Spain and Italy into dire economic straits, driven up unemployment and given rise to a wave of extremist populism (left and right wing) across Europe.



Nope, that was the global financial crisis.
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby martin_p » Sun May 19, 2019 9:18 am

By the way, why is this racist (the OP) still being allowed to post?
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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Sun May 19, 2019 1:36 pm

martin_p wrote:Nope, that was the global financial crisis.


No, the recession was the spark, the Euro is the inherently flawed monetary system which has kept those countries in prolongued penury with poor economic results ever since.

If those countries had the sense to keep their own currencies they would have had control over factors such as interest rates and currency price to help them recover.

As it is, they do not have control over these factors and are suffering from having to use a currency designed to suit best the needs of German industry and which is controlled from Frankfurt.

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Postby Pstotto » Sun May 19, 2019 10:18 pm

p for PRAT, martin_p.

Racist? You baby. What race, how race? It's defamation, how much have got in your bank? Million quid compensation, now please.

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Postby CombatClaret » Sun May 19, 2019 11:13 pm

martin_p wrote:By the way, why is this racist (the OP) still being allowed to post?


For the same reason the weird guy muttering into his special brew as he stumbles down the high street occasionally shouting at passers by isn't taken into proper care.

If anything he's established as so OTT he gets away with far more than you or I.

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Postby Spiral » Sun May 19, 2019 11:25 pm

I loathe the racism he spews on here, but folk know he suffers from legitimate mental illness (self confessed) and I also think he can perceive four spatial dimensions, I dunno...

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Postby Pstotto » Mon May 20, 2019 8:58 am

Spews racism????????? :-) Dark rum makes me vomit, I stick to clear spirits like vodka so may be I'm a racist drinker. On the other thread I'm giving away for free, a possible blue technology electricity idea for the equatorial regions, monsoon pressure pads. Of course that is a bit racist because yet again the white man comes up with the invention, it's not what they want to hear,regarding decolonization theory.

I had a brain scan yesterday, to see if the problem in the head can be identified, psychic attack may not show up on the monitor, unless it's an implant of some sort. i did actually nearly commit suicide yesterday too, but I wrote a suicide note and as I wrote it the anguish passed a little and you carry on. One wakes up OK and then life and the inner voices start and one's chemical make-up goes from good vibes to agony acid and a stitch of body an mind EVERY DAY, no respite.

I can comprehend a notion of alternative PICTORIAL 3D scenes based on the geometry of perspective which allows for alternative values for shapes and lines, having studied art and made it over many years, but it seems to come at a price.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby ZizkovClaret » Mon May 20, 2019 9:25 am

Secular democracy or benevolent dictatorships, whichever works

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Postby ZizkovClaret » Mon May 20, 2019 9:26 am

martin_p wrote:By the way, why is this racist (the OP) still being allowed to post?


Ive tried to call it out several times. It always gets deleted and he carries on regardless

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Postby ZizkovClaret » Mon May 20, 2019 9:27 am

Pstotto wrote:p for PRAT, martin_p.

Racist? You baby. What race, how race? It's defamation, how much have got in your bank? Million quid compensation, now please.


Ha like you'd turn up to court in any fit state :lol:

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Postby Pstotto » Mon May 20, 2019 9:53 am

Zizkov, you've side-stepped away from justifying your 'Buy cheap, buy twice' when I replied that it's double production for the same result. twice as much transport, double the roads, double your fuel bill, double the usage of natural resources, double your healthcare for work-related accidents etc.

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Postby ZizkovClaret » Mon May 20, 2019 10:16 am

Pstotto wrote:Zizkov, you've side-stepped away from justifying your 'Buy cheap, buy twice' when I replied that it's double production for the same result. twice as much transport, double the roads, double your fuel bill, double the usage of natural resources, double your healthcare for work-related accidents etc.


I hadn't seen a response to that, however since you seem to have monumentally missed the point....

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buy_cheap,_buy_twice

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Pstotto » Mon May 20, 2019 10:11 pm

Moving on from our agreement in so many words... I'm sure you're interested in the idea of 'Buy once and save the planet from choking on plastic fantastic sh*te'.

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Rowls » Wed May 22, 2019 6:22 am

Here's an interesting article about the alleviation of poverty in Africa:

https://humanprogress.org/article.php?p=319

It's all tentative when it comes to Africa but undeniable promising signs.

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Postby AndrewJB » Wed May 22, 2019 8:33 am

In Rowls’ world any country that is successful is capitalist - regardless of how much of the economy is under public ownership - so social democracies such as Denmark or Sweden, which by any other standard would be considered Socialist in many respects are “Capitalist” But when it comes to struggling countries such as Venezuela, they are Socialist countries, even though they have fewer social benefits than Britain.

Rowls is the board’s Humpty Dumpty: “When I use a word” said Humpty Dumpty in a rather scornful tone, “it means whatever I chose it to mean - neither more nor less”

Rowls advocates for Capitalism against Socialism, when we’ve had a mixture of the two for over a hundred years, and it has proved more successful than than either alone has elsewhere. Nobody would go back to the pure Capitalism of the early 19th Century with no workers rights and terrible poverty. And nobody would relish the nearly pure Socialism of Britain’s wartime government, with virtually everything centrally planned. We also know that by greatly expanding the middle class, as happened after more Socialism was introduced during the 1940s, that the economy really boomed. So my question to him is while he derides Socialism, what elements of it would he keep? The NHS? Holidays? Sick pay? Clean water?

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Re: Let's help people in the developing world...

Postby Pstotto » Wed May 22, 2019 10:17 am

The middle class have been thumped in the UK, to create an elite and an underclass and immigration of 'middle class' professionals from elsewhere who will be subservient (got to attract the cream of talent etc. or we need more doctors).

This was achieved via the destruction of the middle class education tier (the grammar schools) and a downgrading (dumbing down) of culture and media to the likes of chavs like Emin and the populist slogan crude graphic art of Banksy, both probably government agents like Hancock was.

This is because the public school boys and girls don't want anyone on their patch of media/publishing/film, as those are jobs for their children and not the children from place like Burnley. It's a job cartel for political rule of their class, as media has become more widespread and seemingly accessible to all. In fact it's the opposite.


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