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Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Clarets4me » Sat May 18, 2019 4:33 pm

If you could put an all-time World XI of the " Greats " who played in the Lancashire League at some point, you'd have some team ... Alan Border, Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Learie Constantine, Steve Waugh, Joel Garner, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, DK Lillee, Sydney Barnes, Jimmy Anderson, Allan Donald and Shane Warne for starters ...

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Dodobdobodobo » Sat May 18, 2019 4:49 pm

Clarets4me wrote:If you could put an all-time World XI of the " Greats " who played in the Lancashire League at some point, you'd have some team ... Alan Border, Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Learie Constantine, Steve Waugh, Joel Garner, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, DK Lillee, Sydney Barnes, Jimmy Anderson, Allan Donald and Shane Warne for starters ...

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby 1Simpleton » Sat May 18, 2019 4:53 pm

Some real legends there. Obviously not in same class Mike Wakinson was playing at Burnley after a game a few years back smashing the ball all over and hitting cars. Would have loved to have seen some of those greats. Cricket has changed and they all get central contracts I think

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby DAVETHEVICAR » Sat May 18, 2019 5:05 pm

Michael Clarke,Basil Butcher,Seymour Nurse, Bobby Simpson,Everton Weeks,Clyde Walcott,Vinoo Mankad, Wes Hall,Charlie Griffith,Roy Gilchrist and Cec Pepper to name a few from the 50/60’s
Lance Gibbs and many more greats

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sat May 18, 2019 5:15 pm

Kapil Dev
Jason Gillespie, though didn’t he get injured early in the season?

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sat May 18, 2019 5:15 pm

Lance Gibbs is Clive Lloyds cousin and reportedly gave him his bats from his kit contract as he very rarely used them.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat May 18, 2019 5:21 pm

Keith Roscoe.
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby conyoviejo » Sat May 18, 2019 7:13 pm

Collis King,Johnnie Wardle,Steve Waugh,Neil Hawke .

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby JohnDearyMe » Sat May 18, 2019 7:40 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Keith Roscoe.


Bob Holmes
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby RogerBest » Sat May 18, 2019 7:41 pm

Sobers and Tyson?

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sat May 18, 2019 8:05 pm

Sobers played in the Central Lancs League (for Middleton, I think)

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby sanderson370 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:21 pm

collis king larry gomes steve Waugh joe scuderi learie Constantine roger harper keith arthurton just a few that graced the league in its heyday at nelson.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Bin Ont Turf » Sat May 18, 2019 8:46 pm

Not forgetting Graham Roope (RIP)

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Local cricketer » Sat May 18, 2019 9:07 pm

Peter sleep

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby HB Claret » Sat May 18, 2019 9:14 pm

My dad always told me that Bill Alley was as good a pro as Colne ever had but as we moved to Kent over 50 years ago when I was 6 I can’t really add anything else to the thread.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby NL Claret » Sat May 18, 2019 9:33 pm

Sobers played for Radcliffe in the CLL.

Franklyn Stephenson another for the list, top pro. One of the best slower balls going.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby welsbyswife » Sat May 18, 2019 10:05 pm

According to my grandad who’s old enough to remember Amar Singh was a tremendous pro for Colne in the 30s at about the same time Constantine was playing for Nelson.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby dsr » Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Sobers played in the Central Lancs League (for Middleton, I think)

Sobers played once as sub-pro for Colne. Geoff Schofield became Mr. Unpopular by running him out! (So they tell me.) Sobers did take 5 wickets cheaply, though.

Fred Trueman sub-pro'd for Colne once as well. But Amar Singh and Bill Alley are probably the two greatest. Alan Wharton was the only amateur Colne player who went on to play for England.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby lancastrian » Sun May 19, 2019 4:09 pm

I can remember a few mainly in the late forties and early fifties, namely Cec Pepper Manny Martindale, Everton Weeks Clyde Walcott Vincent Hazare Bill Alley Bruce Dooland, Ray Lindwall.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Royboyclaret » Sun May 19, 2019 5:15 pm

Des Sparks (South Africa), Lowerhouse pro '69-'71.

He worked at Main Gas Padiham during his time here. Is Des still with us?

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Longsidelenny » Sun May 19, 2019 6:13 pm

Must get in for batting and bowling roger harper

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby alf_resco » Sun May 19, 2019 6:27 pm

From my time watching:

Conrad Hunte
Basil Butcher
Viv Richards
Bobby Simpson
Neil Hawke
Eddie Barlow
Wes Hall
Dennis Lillee
Shane Warne
Charlie Griffith
Lance Gibbs

I don't know who but I'm sure one of them could be WK.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ZizkovClaret » Sun May 19, 2019 6:31 pm

Ryan Harris
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Burnley1989 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

James Anderson

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Burnley1989 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:47 pm

lancastrian wrote:I can remember a few mainly in the late forties and early fifties, namely Cec Pepper Manny Martindale, Everton Weeks Clyde Walcott Vincent Hazare Bill Alley Bruce Dooland, Ray Lindwall.


Jeeeez that’s a good memory... hope you’re doing well at your ripe old age

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Cheshireclaret » Sun May 19, 2019 6:54 pm

My uncle has been watching Bacup for many, many years and still to this day, he doesn’t tire of talking about Everton Weekes. He would almost certainly be his first choice on such a list.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Clarets4me » Sun May 19, 2019 6:59 pm

alf_resco wrote:From my time watching:

Conrad Hunte
Basil Butcher
Viv Richards
Bobby Simpson
Neil Hawke
Eddie Barlow
Wes Hall
Dennis Lillee
Shane Warne
Charlie Griffith
Lance Gibbs

I don't know who but I'm sure one of them could be WK.


From the all-time list, and no duplication ....

Allan Border
Colin Milburn
Michael Clarke
Clive Lloyd
Steve Waugh
Learie Constantine
Roger Harper
Michael Holding
Allan Donald
Sydney Barnes
James Anderson

:D :D

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 7:26 pm

I'm surprised Border isn't at the top of most people's lists!

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Clarets4me » Sun May 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Did Allan Border not pro in the Lancs?


He was East Lancs Professional in 1978, averaged over 54 with the bat , 3 hundreds and 6 fifties and took 55 wickets ...

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm

Clarets4me wrote:He was East Lancs Professional in 1978, averaged over 54 with the bat , 3 hundreds and 6 fifties and took 55 wickets ...

Notice my crafty edit, when I spotted his name on above list!!! :D

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Clarets4me » Sun May 19, 2019 7:39 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Notice my crafty edit, when I spotted his name on above list!!! :D


About as crafty as mine, when I noticed that I'd included Shane Warne & subbed him quickly with Jimmy Anderson ! ;)

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby the_fat_shearer » Sun May 19, 2019 8:10 pm

NL Claret wrote:Sobers played for Radcliffe in the CLL.

Franklyn Stephenson another for the list, top pro. One of the best slower balls going.


Sobers did indeed play for Radcliffe and also Littleborough in the Central Lancs League.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 8:32 pm

Clarets4me wrote:About as crafty as mine, when I noticed that I'd included Shane Warne & subbed him quickly with Jimmy Anderson ! ;)

Yeah, but Warne did pro for Rammy? and he's miles better than that **** Anderson!!! (Up the 'Ouse!! :D )

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Quickenthetempo » Sun May 19, 2019 9:47 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Yeah, but Warne did pro for Rammy? and he's miles better than that **** Anderson!!! (Up the 'Ouse!! :D )

Accy it was.

Certainly looks like a list of top players who played in the Lancs league rather than the best pro's the Lancs league ever had.
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Clarets4me » Sun May 19, 2019 11:10 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Accy it was ..... certainly looks like a list of top players who played in the Lancs league rather than the best pro's the Lancs league ever had.


That's a very important distinction to make, some of the greats did not make great " Professionals " in the League, due to attitude, the stage they were at in their career etc ...

I've heard of a certain " Pro " from the Indian sub-continent who did nothing but play on match days and then sit in his accomodation and watch video's all day, whereas I can imagine certain Australian's from all era's having local fathers keeping a very close eye on their daughters .... :D

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby DAVETHEVICAR » Mon May 20, 2019 8:37 am

Certainly several players especially from Australia came into the league at 18 or 19 long before they developed into world class stars (Shane Warne and Ian Chappell for example} however Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith have to be included in a Word Eleven imo

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ZizkovClaret » Mon May 20, 2019 9:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Accy it was.

Certainly looks like a list of top players who played in the Lancs league rather than the best pro's the Lancs league ever had.


They look like Shane Warne
They look like Shane Warne
Half the kids in Accy
They look like Shane Warne

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby longside72 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:33 am

Roger Harper , Everton Weekes
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Mon May 20, 2019 10:36 am

dsr wrote:Sobers played once as sub-pro for Colne. Geoff Schofield became Mr. Unpopular by running him out! (So they tell me.) Sobers did take 5 wickets cheaply, though.

Fred Trueman sub-pro'd for Colne once as well. But Amar Singh and Bill Alley are probably the two greatest. Alan Wharton was the only amateur Colne player who went on to play for England.


Sobers once played for Todmorden in the Worsley Cup and Eli played against him for Bacup. Eli declared it a draw because he didn't get Sobers out and Sobers didn't get him out although he admitted Bacup manufactured a run out for the last wicket to avoid it.

Scorecard: http://lancashireleague.com/Scorecards/27/27524.html

Trueman's game for Colne was against Burnley because my dad used to tell me about it. Trueman had three early wickets but then got hammered with former Claret Peter Kippax doing the damage

Scorecard: http://lancashireleague.com/Scorecards/154/154152.html

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Mon May 20, 2019 10:50 am

Dark Cloud wrote:Yeah, but Warne did pro for Rammy? and he's miles better than that **** Anderson!!! (Up the 'Ouse!! :D )


Warne played for Accrington. I don't think he did enough that season to suggest just how good he was going to be. Warne and Anderson became the finest bowlers of their kind that I've ever seen.
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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby lancastrian » Mon May 20, 2019 2:44 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:Jeeeez that’s a good memory... hope you’re doing well at your ripe old age

You have to keep taking the pills. During the period I mentioned each club had a decent professiinal.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Suratclaret » Tue May 21, 2019 6:58 am

Collie Smith...tragically killed in a car accident.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 9:25 am

Cheshireclaret wrote:My uncle has been watching Bacup for many, many years and still to this day, he doesn’t tire of talking about Everton Weekes. He would almost certainly be his first choice on such a list.


Everton Weekes was before my time but my dad said he was the finest batsman he ever saw play in the league.

This was his batting record in the league, runs and average. They are absolutely astonishing.

1949: 1,470 runs at 70.0
1951: 1,518 runs at 89.3
1952: 1,292 runs at 80.7
1953: 1,322 runs at 94.4
1954: 1,266 runs at 158.2
1956: 1,168 runs at 97.3
1958: 1,033 runs at 93.9

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Local cricketer » Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:Everton Weekes was before my time but my dad said he was the finest batsman he ever saw play in the league.

This was his batting record in the league, runs and average. They are absolutely astonishing.

1949: 1,470 runs at 70.0
1951: 1,518 runs at 89.3
1952: 1,292 runs at 80.7
1953: 1,322 runs at 94.4
1954: 1,266 runs at 158.2
1956: 1,168 runs at 97.3
1958: 1,033 runs at 93.9



Who is the best you've seen Tony?

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 10:12 am

Local cricketer wrote:Who is the best you've seen Tony?


So difficult to say really given the quality back in the 60s when I first went. In my early days we had the likes of Basil Butcher, Ian Chappell, Eddie Barlow, Conrad Hunte, Seymour Nurse. They are just a few names off the top of my head. Nurse passed away a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Cheshireclaret » Tue May 21, 2019 12:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Everton Weekes was before my time but my dad said he was the finest batsman he ever saw play in the league.

This was his batting record in the league, runs and average. They are absolutely astonishing.

1949: 1,470 runs at 70.0
1951: 1,518 runs at 89.3
1952: 1,292 runs at 80.7
1953: 1,322 runs at 94.4
1954: 1,266 runs at 158.2
1956: 1,168 runs at 97.3
1958: 1,033 runs at 93.9


That is truly astounding. What a player he was.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 1:16 pm

Cheshireclaret wrote:That is truly astounding. What a player he was.


It's incredible isn't it Cheshireclaret? And at a time where you could only hit a six on selected grounds. My dad said it made no difference because he rarely lifted the ball. I've just googled it and he had a test average of 58.61. Frank Worrell was the only one of the three Ws I saw play.

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby Herts Clarets » Tue May 21, 2019 1:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Sobers once played for Todmorden in the Worsley Cup and Eli played against him for Bacup. Eli declared it a draw because he didn't get Sobers out and Sobers didn't get him out although he admitted Bacup manufactured a run out for the last wicket to avoid it.

Scorecard: http://lancashireleague.com/Scorecards/27/27524.html

Trueman's game for Colne was against Burnley because my dad used to tell me about it. Trueman had three early wickets but then got hammered with former Claret Peter Kippax doing the damage

Scorecard: http://lancashireleague.com/Scorecards/154/154152.html


Didn't Eli claim a catch off Sobers, as he had clattered a six against the scoreboard and Eli caught the ball one handed as it bounced off? :D

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

Postby ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 1:31 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:Didn't Eli claim a catch off Sobers, as he had clattered a six against the scoreboard and Eli caught the ball one handed as it bounced off? :D


He never told me that one but his Sobers story was a part of his after dinner speech as was Accrington tea ladies doing their best to tip the balance by giving the opposition extra large pieces of slab cake to slow them down. Eli told me it knocked 5 mph of his speed and two overs off his opening spell. :D

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Re: Lancashire League ... World XI

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