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Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:04 pm

Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 7:23 pm

Not able to help with that one, but I'm sure I once attended an England v Scotland schoolboy international at The Turf back in the late sixties. (Or am I mistaken?)

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Bangers&Mash » Sun May 19, 2019 7:32 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks
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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Claret » Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Not able to help with that one, but I'm sure I once attended an England v Scotland schoolboy international at The Turf back in the late sixties. (Or am I mistaken?)
I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by FactualFrank » Sun May 19, 2019 7:36 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks
Was it the Smith's crisps international challenge cup? March 1993?

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:38 pm

I suspect, looking at the provided table (thanks for that), that it must’ve been 1991. I’m sure Scotland won the game.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Chester Perry » Sun May 19, 2019 7:38 pm

Scotland won 2- 1 at Wembley 1993
https://scottishschoolsfa.co.uk/boys-un ... s-england/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

records are more likely available through a library than online - if my quick trawl is anything to go by

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:40 pm

That will definitely be it then, thank you!

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:40 pm

Thanks folks

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by FactualFrank » Sun May 19, 2019 7:42 pm

Jd...

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 7:44 pm

Claret wrote:I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!
I'm glad I remembered it right. We got tickets through primary school and sat in the old Brunshaw Rd stand. I was used to it tbh as my dad would take us in there for Clarets matches.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Claret » Sun May 19, 2019 7:49 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I'm glad I remembered it right. We got tickets through primary school and sat in the old Brunshaw Rd stand. I was used to it tbh as my dad would take us in there for Clarets matches.
Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by claretfern » Sun May 19, 2019 7:52 pm

Geoff Thomas got 9 England Schoolboy caps in 1991.....
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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun May 19, 2019 8:01 pm

Claret wrote:I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!
That was in 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.
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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by claretburns » Sun May 19, 2019 8:01 pm

Claret wrote:Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.
The game took place in 1969 and finished 2-0 to Scotland.
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Post by Royboyclaret » Sun May 19, 2019 8:07 pm

Claret wrote:Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.
It was 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.

Must have been early 1969 as the very last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand was against Sunderland on 23rd April 1969. We then suffered for almost five years with a three sided ground before the first game in the Bob Lord against Villa on 16th Feb. 1974.
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Post by Working_Class_Zero » Sun May 19, 2019 8:08 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I suspect, looking at the provided table (thanks for that), that it must’ve been 1991. I’m sure Scotland won the game.
Line-up from a 1991 friendly a month later:
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Post by Dark Cloud » Sun May 19, 2019 8:19 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:It was 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.

Must have been early 1969 as the very last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand was against Sunderland on 23rd April 1969. We then suffered for almost five years with a three sided ground before the first game in the Bob Lord against Villa on 16th Feb. 1974.
I definitely kept the programme for the schoolboy international for many years afterwards, but eventually I lost it, or just forgot where I put it!!!

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun May 19, 2019 8:42 pm

I still have 2 or 3 of those programmes

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun May 19, 2019 8:46 pm

Paul Tisdale, listed on the team sheet, is the MKDons manager.
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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 19, 2019 8:51 pm

It’s definitely the 1993 match I attended. I’ve got the Scottish FA onto it. They said they’d get back to me! :-)

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun May 19, 2019 9:05 pm

Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names 8-)
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Post by tim_noone » Sun May 19, 2019 9:26 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names 8-)
Aah fiddle the Gate days..... Both cricketfield and Bob Lord Stand full.. gate given as I remember was just over 4.000

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by bfcmik » Sun May 19, 2019 10:38 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names 8-)
Intersting that the one player who went on to have a massive career was not one of the kids signed up for the F.A. National School

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Post by Clarets4me » Sun May 19, 2019 11:32 pm

bfcmik wrote:Intersting that the one player who went on to have a massive career was not one of the kids signed up for the F.A. National School
As well as Neville, I presume that the Daniel Murphy ( Chester ) is the same Danny Murphy of Spurs, England and latterly MOTD fame, another not picked up by the F.A. National School ..

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun May 19, 2019 11:34 pm

Stephen Hughes, Arsenal & Everton. Amongst clubs.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Rowls » Mon May 20, 2019 3:09 am

I saw a few good players play for England schoolboys:

Nicky Butt
Nicky Barmby
Michael Owen

Also a lad called Ryan Walsh who later adopted his Dad's surname and opted to play for Wales.

edit - misremembered his name which apparently was Wilson.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by redwasp » Mon May 20, 2019 9:40 pm

I've just noticed from that programme that the match ball was sponsored by BANK HALL FINANCIAL SERVISES. senior consultant John Haworth.

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by jdrobbo » Mon May 20, 2019 11:31 pm

With help from the Scottish Schools F.A, I have obtained team information for the Scotland side who defeated England. Andy O’Brien (later of Ireland) and Paul McShane appear to be the standout names. I’ve contacted the English Schools FA, in the hope of receiving something similar.
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon May 20, 2019 11:59 pm

jdrobbo wrote:With help from the Scottish Schools F.A, I have obtained team information for the Scotland side who defeated England. Andy O’Brien (later of Ireland) and Paul McShane appear to be the standout names. I’ve contacted the English Schools FA, in the hope of receiving something similar.
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Sorry, jd but Paul McShane was schooled in Wicklow and Andy O’Brien in Harrogate, both Rep of Ireland internationals. You might have been thinking Paul McStay?

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 1:25 pm

Clarets4me wrote:As well as Neville, I presume that the Daniel Murphy ( Chester ) is the same Danny Murphy of Spurs, England and latterly MOTD fame, another not picked up by the F.A. National School ..
The Daniel Murphy is very definitely the same Danny Murphy now on Match of the Day. I was sat behind his uncle for that game who had just left Burnley - a certain Ron Futcher.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 21, 2019 1:29 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sorry, jd but Paul McShane was schooled in Wicklow and Andy O’Brien in Harrogate, both Rep of Ireland internationals. You might have been thinking Paul McStay?
The Paul McShane on that team sheet was at Rangers but emigrated and played football in Iceland. His son is Hilmar McShane who plays league football now in Iceland.
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue May 21, 2019 1:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The Paul McShane on that team sheet was at Rangers but emigrated and played football in Iceland. His son is Hilmar McShane who plays league football now in Iceland.
Cheers for that. Don’t know the guy but on checking the Irish Paul McShane would only have been 7 and that would be an age group record.

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Post by OssyClaret » Tue May 21, 2019 3:26 pm

https://schoolsfootball.org/internation ... formances/

This link allows you to check previous squad lists back to 2009.

The only pro I recognise from that year is James Norwood of Tranmere

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Re: Help needed: England v Scotland schoolboys game

Post by Petersa » Tue May 21, 2019 3:43 pm

I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue May 21, 2019 10:59 pm

Have we had many schoolboy internationals sign for us first?
Trevor Steven immediately comes to mind. The post above says Harry Wilson and I think from memory that Derek Scott did but can find no proof.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue May 21, 2019 11:06 pm

Petersa wrote:I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football
he did, derek johnstone was playing for the scots who ended up a big name at rangers

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Post by chorleyhere » Tue May 21, 2019 11:14 pm

If it was the the Smith's crisps international challenge cup? March 1980's then I went to help out with my school team - Chorley Duke St CP with Clive Ackary as manager, to assist him as he was quite poorly and on crutches at the time so couldn't manage all the running about. The team had the England dressing room prior to the main match and Steve Coppull shook the team's hands and mine in the line up. It was great thrill to walk out of the old Wembley tunnel. Each boy had a football to carry out and warm up with and so with me at the back, I asked the last boy in the line to drop the football he was carrying then I did a bit of a dribble and then he picked it up and I can now claim that I kicked a ball on the pitch at Wembley.

And the boy who kindly obeyed my request - that was David Unsworth who went on to have a very good career !!

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Post by OssyClaret » Wed May 22, 2019 2:09 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Have we had many schoolboy internationals sign for us first?
Trevor Steven immediately comes to mind. The post above says Harry Wilson and I think from memory that Derek Scott did but can find no proof.
Aiden Stone signed for us from the 2017 side at the link above
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Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 22, 2019 2:16 pm

Petersa wrote:I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football
Harry Wilson coached at Burnley for a good number of years. He then went to work for the Football League but I’ve not seen him now for some time.
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Post by Madpete » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:25 pm

Just reading Dave Roberts excellent book “32 Programmes” & no.3 is England Schools v German Schools on April 30th 1966.One D.Thomas(Bishop Auckland) scored the winner.He was also 220 yds junior sprint champion.It must be our DT surely & if so I saw his debut in my first ever Burnley league game in May 1967.Described as a tricky winger in the book…not arf!

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