YES! Farage Milkshaked

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:00 pm

AndyClaret wrote:There wasn't enough time to set it up as a political party, they don't have members, they have registered supporters.

Phew, I wasn't wrong twice. The Brexit Party are a political party http://search.electoralcommission.org.u ... ons/PP7931" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; registered back in February.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:05 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:When channel 4 news start to behave like a normal, objective news programme , then perhaps the Brexit Party will treat it like a normal news programme.

Channel 4 news - the go to choice for the residents of the metropolitan London Borough of Ivory Towers. ( and their provincial cousins of course!)

If Channel Four has transgressed reporting regulations, then Farage should report them to the regulator. Banning them will only lead to more people concluding that if he's not actually a fascist, then he's at least acting like one.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:10 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
DEMOCRACY - IT RELIES ON THE LOSING SIDE ACCEPTING THEY LOST.

Ringo, what about Nigel Farage who clearly stated that he wasn't prepared to accept the result had remain won?

I suppose you won't vote for him when he himself is quoted as saying a win for remain wouldn't count in the referendum

The hypocrisy is staggering from you lot!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:23 pm

AndrewJB wrote:If Channel Four has transgressed reporting regulations, then Farage should report them to the regulator. Banning them will only lead to more people concluding that if he's not actually a fascist, then he's at least acting like one.

Or, the Brexit Party may have concluded that they will not be treated fairly, given the clear political bias channel 4 have. It's entirely their prerogative to deny them access and let the voting public make up there own mind.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:25 pm

Spijed wrote:Ringo, what about Nigel Farage who clearly stated that he wasn't prepared to accept the result had remain won?

I suppose you won't vote for him when he himself is quoted as saying a win for remain wouldn't count in the referendum

The hypocrisy is staggering from you lot!

On referendum night before the results had come in, Paddy Ashdown made a solemn promise to the British public:

“I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of one per cent or 20 per cent.

When the British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you don’t.”

https://youtu.be/-Bv_1z2lFlw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:30 pm

Also, an interesting article on the democratic oversight of the Brexit Party https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/b ... -populists" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It appears to be very much the Nigel Farage party Its constitution holds that the leader can only be deposed by a vote of no confidence by the board that the leader himself appoints. According to Companies House, Brexit Party Limited has three officers: treasurer Phillip Basey, businessman Richard Tice and Nigel Farage. Farage is the only person who can appoint and remove directors.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:On referendum night before the results had come in, Paddy Ashdown made a solemn promise to the British public:

“I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of one per cent or 20 per cent.

When the British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you don’t.”

https://youtu.be/-Bv_1z2lFlw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So what you're saying is that Farage doesn't believe in democracy?

(As an aside, who taught Ringo the HTML for changing font sizes)

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:42 pm

aggi wrote:So what you're saying is that Farage doesn't believe in democracy?

(As an aside, who taught Ringo the HTML for changing font sizes)

He believes the result of the largest single expression of democracy the UK has ever witnessed, should be implemented.

From the Government booklet that was put through every the door of every household in the country -

"It's your decision. The Government will enact that decision"

If you don't implement the results of democratic votes, youre probably living in North Korea or Zimbabwe.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue May 21, 2019 2:44 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:He believes the result of the largest single expression of democracy the UK has ever witnessed, should be implemented.

From the Government booklet that was put through every the door of every household in the country -

"It's your decision. The Government will enact that decision"

If you don't implement the results of democratic votes, youre probably living in North Korea or Zimbabwe.

This is such a simple argument and so compelling that it doesn't matter who says it.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:16 pm

Rowls wrote:This is such a simple argument and so compelling that it doesn't matter who says it.

So why did Farage himself say he wouldn't accept the result had remain won?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 pm

Well what a surprise the EC has found no wrongdoing over the BP'S fundraising https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48354209

You almost think there was a witch hunt going on.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:33 pm

Spijed wrote:So why did Farage himself say he wouldn't accept the result had remain won?

If the majority vote had been Remain, then given we were in the EU already, the result would have been immediately implemented and democracy respected.

Farage would be free to continue to campaign to leave the EU

Nobody is saying the losing side in the referendum should be silenced. Just that the result be implemented and respected and that they will be free to campaign to join the EU.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:34 pm

tiger76 wrote:Well what a surprise the EC has found no wrongdoing over the BP'S fundraising https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48354209

You almost think there was a witch hunt going on.

And to think, their funding method is the same as the Peoples Vote.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:41 pm

Proof, as if any was needed, that James O'Brien is a full on, 100% crybaby bellend

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:50 pm

James O'Brien is saying that he would put his trust in a "rent-a-milkshake" sort of character, that that character will keep his secret to his grave rather than spill the beans to the press and make some cash? If he would do that, then he's far too great a fool to be a politician.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:00 pm

James O'Brien is a bellend. It's easy to throw around baseless rumours of False Flag stuff, Trumpists do it all the time. Doesn't mean owt.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:13 pm

aggi wrote:I struggle to understand how this And Parliament will be given a say - through SI - in whether to trigger the back stop. isn't just kicking the can further down the road. What happens if the vote is against triggering the backstop, will we break an international agreement with the EU?

Unless I'm missing something I can't see why the EU would agree to this.

Yup, its floating Unicornism version eight.

The problem is, as we both know, is that the reality isn't going to be good, but its gets less and less good the more and more "No Deal" it gets.

Everyone knows this, but no one wants to say it, especially if they have spent months telling everyone that "No Deal is better than a bad deal".

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:16 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Or, the Brexit Party may have concluded that they will not be treated fairly, given the clear political bias channel 4 have. It's entirely their prerogative to deny them access and let the voting public make up there own mind.

maybe they need to tell people that they received £450,000 from Aaron Banks first, rather than letting a news organisation find it out eh?

That would certainly help in the trust stakes.

But no, its biased reporting and only biased reporting.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:22 pm

Anyway, listening to PMs speech about how to sort this.

I'm not confident.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:23 pm

Jesus, its the same old ****.

Even me and Ringo could do a better job than this.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:25 pm

Oh hang on, Parliament to get a vote on a CU and a 2nd ref.

How is she managed to get that past her own cabinet?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:27 pm

But the alternative arrangements by 2020 for the Northern Ireland backstop is pandering to the Conservative party members, and ignoring reality.

She's leaving soon, why can't she just be honest with people for a change?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:28 pm

But that 2nd ref stuff is a massive policy switch.

And pretty unambiguous as well

"The govt will include in the withdrawal agreement bill at introduction requirement to vote on whether to hold a second referendum. This must take place before the withdrawal agreement can be ratified."

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:If the majority vote had been Remain, then given we were in the EU already, the result would have been immediately implemented and democracy respected.

Farage would be free to continue to campaign to leave the EU

Nobody is saying the losing side in the referendum should be silenced. Just that the result be implemented and respected and that they will be free to campaign to join the EU.

Quite possibly the most factual sensible points listed on any Brexit thread I’ve ever seen on here , though the mere whiff of common sense and adherence to the referendum is howled down as “ fascism” etc

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:43 pm

Oh Nigel, the gift that keeps on giving

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/fa ... -tea-party" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm

maybe they need to tell people that they received £450,000 from Aaron Banks first

Again, simply not true, The brexit party hasn't taken any money from Aaron Banks.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:50 pm

Murger wrote:Proof, as if any was needed, that James O'Brien is a full on, 100% crybaby bellend

O'Bigot has gone full #FBPE, no wonder Newsnight gave him his sandwiches wrapped in a road map.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:51 pm

Apologies, it went to Nigel Farage, the head of the Brexit Party (but not at the time)

That better?

Course, that makes it all completely 100% above board..........oh

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:54 pm

Unsurprisingly Farage is going to be investigated by the EU over the hundreds of thousands of pounds that he forgot to declare.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rron-banks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:59 pm

aggi wrote:Unsurprisingly Farage is going to be investigated by the EU over the hundreds of thousands of pounds that he forgot to declare.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rron-banks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He forgot to declare to who? UK Tax? If that is the case why would the EU i vestigate him. Truth is they are sh!t scared of him and so they should be that corrupt organization that has never had its accounts passed off.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:01 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:But the alternative arrangements by 2020 for the Northern Ireland backstop is pandering to the Conservative party members, and ignoring reality.

She's leaving soon, why can't she just be honest with people for a change?

Shes probably learnt from Blair. A real honest gent, particularly whwn it comes to the small matters of war.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:01 pm

Rowls wrote:This is such a simple argument and so compelling that it doesn't matter who says it.

Cheers for that.

If only it hadn't been made by such a joker, it would have carried far more gravitas!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:02 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Quite possibly the most factual sensible points listed on any Brexit thread I’ve ever seen on here , though the mere whiff of common sense and adherence to the referendum is howled down as “ fascism” etc

Again , genuinely appreciate the comment.

Nice one.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:03 pm

Spijed wrote:Ringo, what about Nigel Farage who clearly stated that he wasn't prepared to accept the result had remain won?

I suppose you won't vote for him when he himself is quoted as saying a win for remain wouldn't count in the referendum

The hypocrisy is staggering from you lot!

Where did you read that in the Beano?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:03 pm

Stayingup wrote:He forgot to declare to who? UK Tax? If that is the case why would the EU i vestigate him. Truth is they are sh!t scared of him and so they should be that corrupt organization that has never had its accounts passed off.

Is there anything he could do that is illegal that you won't defend?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Stayingup wrote:Where did you read that in the Beano?

Err no:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36306681" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:16 pm

Stayingup wrote:He forgot to declare to who? UK Tax? If that is the case why would the EU i vestigate him. Truth is they are sh!t scared of him and so they should be that corrupt organization that has never had its accounts passed off.

The EU. Politicians have to declare when someone gives them a free house and car so at least people can look at who they're being financed by and make a judgement call on how impartial they are.

Not declaring them is obviously against the rules.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:19 pm

Teresa May has ignored -

The 17.4 million.

The Conservative Party.

Not one but TWO Brexit ministers.

The EU , when they actually offered her a Canada + deal which is much closer to a clean Brexit than her repackaged new EU treaty.

The Cabinet.

The Voice of Parliament, 3 times.

Her chief whips (today)

The People ( in the council elections)

The only people she did listen to was her handler, Frau Merkel. When on the eve of the "chequers weekend " She flew to Berlin to get Merkels approval. And a man she'd previously described as not being fit for office, Jeremy Corbyn! She's spent weeks listening to him!!!

You'd be forgiven for suspecting she has a barely concealed agenda of her own. And that she's nothing more than a europhile Brussels shill.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:20 pm

Surely it's more of a disgrace that he needs a car and security, but the far left have always been the violent ones.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:26 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Cheers for that.

If only it hadn't been made by such a joker, it would have carried far more gravitas!

Anyone who has an argument as strong as that will win votes.

"Your vote has been ignored" -if demonstrably true- will win whether it is being said by Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn or even Theresa May for that matter.

The fact that only Nigel is saying it, and saying it loudly and clearly means he will win.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:44 pm

Rowls wrote:Anyone who has an argument as strong as that will win votes.

"Your vote has been ignored" -if demonstrably true- will win whether it is being said by Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn or even Theresa May for that matter.

The fact that only Nigel is saying it, and saying it loudly and clearly means he will win.

The lib dems, the Green Party, Change UK, tory remain and labour remain all claim -

"Brexit has left the country clearly divided"

I agree.

Its divided between those that respect democracy, and accept the result of the referendum should be implemented.

And those that do not.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Waste of a milk shake spings to mind.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:The lib dems, the Green Party, Change UK, tory remain and labour remain all claim -

"Brexit has left the country clearly divided"

I agree.

Its divided between those that respect democracy, and accept the result of the referendum should be implemented.

And those that do not.

It isn't though is it?

I mean, I know you think it is, but it really isn't, and you saying it is kinda suggests that it isn't.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:35 pm

The PMs statement this afternoon has been brought up on a thread about the misuse of a milkshake. As the milkshake story is completely insignificant, I will keep my comments solely to my reaction to the statement.
Her last throw of the dice but an intriguing one indeed. It will be interesting how this one plays out after the initial outcry from the Tories and the Labour leader's initial political utterings that there is nothing that has significantly changed.
The outcry from the Tories will of course get louder each day. Meanwhile the Labour membership and deputy leader and others will be quietly wetting themselves in anticipation.
Will Labour risk it? They have to vote for the Bill first and then if they do, any referendum vote could be voted down. By then, of course it will be too late.
Certainly a significantly large number of Tory MPs will vote down the bill.
Or the irony that would be if the bill passes on the strength of the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Referendum vote is lost. Or a future Tory PM repeals any law passed.
Teresa May will in my opinion be seem by historians as the most inept PM the UK has ever seen.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pm

"Theresa May will in my opinion be seen by historians as the most inept PM the UK has ever seen"

Would those be the same historians as viewed Jacob Rees-Moggs latest book as being the work of a 12 year old without any real grasp of the subject matter?

She maybe the worst PM for now but a quick glance of the runners and riders suggests she may not hold the title for long.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:57 pm

Elizabeth wrote:The PMs statement this afternoon has been brought up on a thread about the misuse of a milkshake. As the milkshake story is completely insignificant, I will keep my comments solely to my reaction to the statement.
Her last throw of the dice but an intriguing one indeed. It will be interesting how this one plays out after the initial outcry from the Tories and the Labour leader's initial political utterings that there is nothing that has significantly changed.
The outcry from the Tories will of course get louder each day. Meanwhile the Labour membership and deputy leader and others will be quietly wetting themselves in anticipation.
Will Labour risk it? They have to vote for the Bill first and then if they do, any referendum vote could be voted down. By then, of course it will be too late.
Certainly a significantly large number of Tory MPs will vote down the bill.
Or the irony that would be if the bill passes on the strength of the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Referendum vote is lost. Or a future Tory PM repeals any law passed.

What a very odd post. Why on earth would the Labour Party help May out of the massive hole she has dug herself and the country into?
Corbyn has already explained why it is totally unacceptable.
Even if some Labour MPs were tempted by some aspects of it, they know that May is going and they could suddenly find someone even more untrustworthy as PM, fronting trade negotiations and reneging on any arrangement etc.
Additionally of course, if TM's "deal" is thrown out again it significantly increases the chances of there being a Gen Election, which Labour is keen to have.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:04 pm

kentonclaret wrote:"

She maybe the worst PM for now but a quick glance of the runners and riders suggests she may not hold the title for long.

May has made a strong case for herself being regarded as the worst ever PM, but that accolade has to go to Cameron for causing the entire sh*tstorm and chaos we are in.
It's hard to imagine even Corbyn or Johnson screwing up the country to the extent that Cameron did - (oh and of course then just walking away from it all and leaving it for others to try to sort out).

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:The lib dems, the Green Party, Change UK, tory remain and labour remain all claim -

"Brexit has left the country clearly divided"

I agree.

Its divided between those that respect democracy, and accept the result of the referendum should be implemented.

And those that do not.

This is too simplistic. Just because we had a yes or no vote doesn’t mean the issue itself remains that way. Yes or no led to a multiplicity of brexit outcomes. We should have had this conversation before the referendum, or as a nation right afterwards - but we didn’t. And that’s not a remain fault any more than a leave one. We were all bystanders while the government tried to tie things up themselves.

Leave is complicated. Yes or no didn’t define how and where to. You can’t cut forty years of a relationship just like that. You could say: “just leave” - however even the majority of leave supporters admit this will bring the most detrimental effects of all possible leave outcomes. Even then we’ll still have the complexity to deal with, while also dealing with new complexity. Is that worth it? Asking the U.K. economy to adjust would be like asking me to do a marathon, next week.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It isn't though is it?

I mean, I know you think it is, but it really isn't, and you saying it is kinda suggests that it isn't.

It's mid May. It's not pantomime season.

I'm not going to get into a oh yes it is / oh no it isn't.

The country is indeed, divided.

On one side -

Those who voted Leave and expect their ,democratically confirmed, majority, view to be implemented. Along with fair minded remain voters who respect democracy.

On the other -

And remain voters who believe the referendum result should be rerun before the 2016 result is implemented.

Why should voters who want to leave the EU have to win TWO referenda to have their viewpoint implemented.,

While Remain voters would only have to have had to win ONE ?

As someone who describes himself as a "liberal Democrat" . Can you explain what what is liberal , or democratic about that?.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

AndrewJB wrote:This is too simplistic. Just because we had a yes or no vote doesn’t mean the issue itself remains that way. Yes or no led to a multiplicity of brexit outcomes. We should have had this conversation before the referendum, or as a nation right afterwards - but we didn’t. And that’s not a remain fault any more than a leave one. We were all bystanders while the government tried to tie things up themselves.

Leave is complicated. Yes or no didn’t define how and where to. You can’t cut forty years of a relationship just like that. You could say: “just leave” - however even the majority of leave supporters admit this will bring the most detrimental effects of all possible leave outcomes. Even then we’ll still have the complexity to deal with, while also dealing with new complexity. Is that worth it? Asking the U.K. economy to adjust would be like asking me to do a marathon, next week.

See above