YES! Farage Milkshaked

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:06 am

It’s clear that those with lefty views are just hypocritical arseholes... but then we all knew that anyway.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:06 am

TVC15 wrote:Hardly a “national” election when so few bother to turn up and vote.
Would have been a lot clearer if you would have just said the European election - even though it makes your point a bit lamer

Is there some preset criteria that means when an election is held across the nation, unless a certain number of people vote, it automatically means it was not a "nation wide " vote?

Seeing as nil desperadum has done what he always does if you ask him a yes / no question- disappeared!

Can you?

Preset criteria.

Yes

Or

No?

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:07 am

claret2018 wrote:Throwing milkshakes at fascists is absolutely acceptable IMO

So, I take it you're OK with;
Robinson
Benjamin
Farage (I'm assuming it's your contention he's a Fascist)

Is that the line drawn for you or where do you draw it?
What about;
Francois?
Rees-Mogg?
Johnson?
Gove?
May?
Do you have a definition on the left of politics where this is also acceptable - perhaps you could give some idea of who falls either side of that line?

If milkshakes are OK, what about;
tomatoes (rotten/soft)?
tomatoes (firm)?
tomatoes (tinned)?
eggs?
assegais? (that escalated pretty quick!)

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:09 am

Last week in South Wales, ultra remoaners were lying down in the road in an attempt to stop people entering a Brexit Party rally.

Remoaners- democracy really isn't their bag.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:11 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:The Uk has seen some big summer crazes in its time like Top Trumps, Rubiks Cube, Tamagotchi, Pokémon etc but this years summer craze of throwing Milkshakes over fascist scumbags is the best ever.

As an added bonus getting to see the numpties on here wet themselves and get all virtuous for the first times in their lives is the icing on the cake. I can see the entertainment has already started on this thread so carry on babies

Are you truly so poorly read as to presume Farage is “ a facist” ? Apart from 6th form/Antifa copy and paste jobs do you have any idea of the pure ignorance and stupidity of the factual aspect of your screeching? Pure unadulterated bellendery

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:30 am

Right_winger wrote:It’s clear that those with lefty views are just hypocritical arseholes... but then we all knew that anyway.

Physician heal thyself

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:32 am

See Channel 4 news have been banned from Brexit Party events.

Thats totally normal behaviour for a political party thats got **** loads to hide

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:36 am

When channel 4 news start to behave like a normal, objective news programme , then perhaps the Brexit Party will treat it like a normal news programme.

Channel 4 news - the go to choice for the residents of the metropolitan London Borough of Ivory Towers. ( and their provincial cousins of course!)

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:42 am

Clarets4me wrote:Who won that particular seat that day ?

I believe it was Ringo's nemesis.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:44 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:When channel 4 news start to behave like a normal, objective news programme , then perhaps the Brexit Party will treat it like a normal news programme.

Channel 4 news - the go to choice for the residents of the metropolitan London Borough of Ivory Towers. ( and their provincial cousins of course!)

Anything untrue about what they broadcast Ringo?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:45 am

Just so people might have missed it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:50 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anything untrue about what they broadcast Ringo?

Anything balanced?.......

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:56 am

Again, anything untrue?

And I think you might have to think about what balanced actually means.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Again, anything untrue?

And I think you might have to think about what balanced actually means.

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about channel 4 being "untrue"

Did I claim it was? - No.

I inferred it was partisan.

Now clearly, whether it is or it isn't depends on your particular view point.

The Brexit Party are quite within their right to deny access to any news outlet that they believe are biased.

You may not think channel 4 is biased. And you also may not believe that the Brexit Party have the right to deny them access.

The Brexit Party, I assume, would say it's your prerogative to hold your opinion. However , in their view, your wrong.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:See Channel 4 news have been banned from Brexit Party events.

Thats totally normal behaviour for a political party thats got **** loads to hide

They are all streamed live on Facebook, not sure how that’s hiding anything and there are some very good candidates. Last night one was a gentleman of Indian descent who has made large amounts of money in business and an NHS doctor, both who spoke very well.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:17 pm

dsr wrote:I think that's pretty much the point. He started from level zero - less votes than a dolphin - to build a political party that had the highest vote in a national election, and has since built another one that looks likely to do the same. I don't see how anyone could consider that to be political failure.

Yes, I wouldn't deny that he's had a big impact. (I do find the loss to the dolphin amusing though. It wasn't at the start of his political career, it was 2010 the sixth, I think, time he'd stood.)

He's done well as a single issue campaigner (or possibly been lucky that there is that single issue). He's managed to convince people that he's anti-establishment despite a private school/banker start to his career and being happy to take money from big businesses, exploit expenses loopholes, looking to break up the NHS, not turn up to work, etc. Plenty of his views are fairly opposite to a large part of his support (possibly why the Brexit party don't have a manifesto) but that's generally hidden as the focus is solely on the EU. Obviously that hasn't translated well to general elections where he's failed, a lot.

As to whether he's racist, personally I'm not sure. He certainly has no issues in exploiting racist views in others for his own ends, whether that makes him racist by proxy or just amoral is something for individuals to decide.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about channel 4 being "untrue"

Did I claim it was? - No.

I inferred it was partisan.

Now clearly, whether it is or it isn't depends on your particular view point.

The Brexit Party are quite within their right to deny access to any news outlet that they believe are biased.

You may not think channel 4 is biased. And you also may not believe that the Brexit Party have the right to deny them access.

The Brexit Party, I assume, would say it's your prerogative to hold your opinion. However , in their view, your wrong.

Ah, as long as you are happy to accept what C4 broadcast is true.

Thats all.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:31 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:They are all streamed live on Facebook, not sure how that’s hiding anything and there are some very good candidates. Last night one was a gentleman of Indian descent who has made large amounts of money in business and an NHS doctor, both who spoke very well.

They clearly want to hide who funds them though.

Thats why C4 have been banned.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ah, as long as you are happy to accept what C4 broadcast is true.

Thats all.

Given their clear bias, it's their version of the "truth"

My opinion.

I'll save you the trouble of typing you disagree with me.

I already know, and accept that.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:41 pm

How will we cope without fantastic questions like "who funds you" "explain this 8 year old tweet" and "why are you in a photo with a person I dont like"

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:43 pm

Given your interested in who funds Brexit related groups.

Question - why do you suppose The Peoples Vote limit donations to £499 and refuse to accept donations of a pound more , £500?

What d'ya reckon?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:49 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Given your interested in who funds Brexit related groups.

Question - why do you suppose The Peoples Vote limit donations to £499 and refuse to accept donations of a pound more , £500?

What d'ya reckon?

You see, I already know and C4 have reported that is exactly what the Brexit Party do.

Good to see that poor old George Soros isn't getting blamed for it anymore.

Maybe we will reach the stage where people stop sharing stuff that claims he was a concentration camp guard next.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:50 pm

Damo wrote:How will we cope without fantastic questions like "who funds you" "explain this 8 year old tweet" and "why are you in a photo with a person I dont like"

You don't think its important?

QUICK EDIT - and consistency of message is important in politics. I see where you are coming from (because everyone will have something they regret doing) but someone like Farage has claimed absolutely anything to try to get votes. Thats why its important (and because some politicians are consistently on message all the time )

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You don't think its important?

I couldn't care less who pays for the junk mail that gets posted through my door. Or who's house Farage lives in.
Not when you compare it to having my vote completely ignored by the people we elected

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 12:58 pm

Damo wrote:I couldn't care less who pays for the junk mail that gets posted through my door. Or who's house Farage lives in.
Not when you compare it to having my vote completely ignored by the people we elected

Right I get you. Don't agree but I see where you are coming from.

But it doesn't change the fact that having anonymous donors for political parties (especially huge amounts) is a really bad idea surely?

TonbridgeClaret · Post by **TonbridgeClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:00 pm

Just listened to Gordon Brown’s concerns in full. Strange that he has no concerns that the Labour Party receives it’s donations through PayPal too. Wonder whether the Electoral Commission will be visiting the Labour Party offices to check for irregularity? Of course they won’t. The establishment seem to be trying anything to stop Farage at the moment, and in doing so prove his point that politics needs changing for good.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:05 pm

Gordon Brown - pontificating about finances.

Gordon Brown- the man that sold off 100s of tons of the nations gold cheap, costing the nation billions........

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:07 pm

https://nicktyrone.com/why-our-electora ... -bad-guys/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This explains "how to do the £499.99 donations so you avoid the electoral commission" perfectly.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:07 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You see, I already know and C4 have reported that is exactly what the Brexit Party do.

Good to see that poor old George Soros isn't getting blamed for it anymore.

Maybe we will reach the stage where people stop sharing stuff that claims he was a concentration camp guard next.

I didn't ask if you knew or not. I asked why they do it?

Question - why do you suppose The Peoples Vote limit donations to £499 and refuse to accept donations of a pound more , £500?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:11 pm

Read my previous tweet.

But I haven't seen what you are claiming anywhere to be fair, only with the Brexit Party and Vote Leave.

Care to show me the evidence?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Given your interested in who funds Brexit related groups.

Question - why do you suppose The Peoples Vote limit donations to £499 and refuse to accept donations of a pound more , £500?

What d'ya reckon?

Good question. It's clearly nothing to do with the electoral commission and having to register donations though as the People's Vote aren't a political party.

Why do you think they limit them?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:15 pm

Brexit Party do it - Establishment says "bad"

Peoples Vote do it - Establishment says "totally acceptable you knuckle dragging nazi"

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:17 pm

aggi wrote:Good question. It's clearly nothing to do with the electoral commission and having to register donations though as the People's Vote aren't a political party.

Why do you think they limit them?

For the same reason.

What's good enough for the the goose should be good enough for the gander.

Unless the gander wants the result of the referendum to be implemented.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:For the same reason.

What's good enough for the the goose should be good enough for the gander.

Unless the gander wants the result of the referendum to be implemented.

Why would it be the same reason? They're not a political party. They don't have to declare stuff over £500.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:23 pm

Last week having looked at the way it's funded, the electoral commission gave the Brexit Party a clean bill of health. The Brexit Party asked for that confirmation in writing.

The electoral commission refused.

Fast forward to Gordon "what do you mean you sold 400 tons of gold at that price" Brown sticking his oar in.

And in a clearly coordinated move, the Electoral Commission announce they're going to inspect the Brexit Party.

What they fail to say is "again"!!! The compliant BBC, Sky and channel 4 news were all over it like a rash.

Every member of the board of the Electoral Commission voted Remain........

Conclusion- the Establishment and political class are panicking about the unprecedented rapid rise of a political party.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:25 pm

aggi wrote:Why would it be the same reason? They're not a political party. They don't have to declare stuff over £500.

Didn't say they were.

I described them as a "Brexit related group"

Are they

Yes

Or

No?

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:They clearly want to hide who funds them though.

Thats why C4 have been banned.

Why have they showed all their funding to the electoral commission then ?

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm

aggi wrote:Why would it be the same reason? They're not a political party. They don't have to declare stuff over £500.

neither is the brexit party.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:30 pm

Sorry Andy, was that before or after the C4 investigation?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:33 pm

Taken from the Peoples Vote website -

"As we are now in a regulated campaign period for the European Parliamentary elections, we are campaigning in them as a non-party campaigner. As a result we are registered with, and regulated by, the Electoral Commission during this period. This means that donations over £500 have to be verified as permissible, and those over £7,500 published by the Electoral Commission, as required by law.

We have, therefore, set the donation limit to £499 because in a regulated period, any donation for campaign purposes below £500 is considered a small donation, [u]which means that individual donors don’t have to be checked.
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https://www.peoples-vote.uk/european_el ... attle_fund" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:34 pm

Slightly off topic, but here is the new Brexit deal that is planned.

Sounds like its a real attempt to woo votes from Labour to counterbalance the ones they lose from the Conservatives.

Which is certainly a novel way of doing it

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/ ... 3166546944" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:38 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Taken from the Peoples Vote website -

"As we are now in a regulated campaign period for the European Parliamentary elections, we are campaigning in them as a non-party campaigner. As a result we are registered with, and regulated by, the Electoral Commission during this period. This means that donations over £500 have to be verified as permissible, and those over £7,500 published by the Electoral Commission, as required by law.

We have, therefore, set the donation limit to £499 because in a regulated period, any donation for campaign purposes below £500 is considered a small donation, which means that individual donors don’t have to be checked.

We have, therefore, set the donation limit to £499 because in a regulated period, any donation for campaign purposes below £500 is considered a small donation, which means that individual donors don’t have to be checked.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/european_el ... attle_fund" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheers.

Why you didn't just post that at the start is beyond me!

I guessing the important bit here is the "permissible" bit I've highlighted.

And i'm not sure what the difference is, but the fact that the Brexit Party is a political party, and the Peoples Vote campaign isn't sounds like it might be quite important (someone on here is bound to know!)

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Taken from the Peoples Vote website -

"As we are now in a regulated campaign period for the European Parliamentary elections, we are campaigning in them as a non-party campaigner. As a result we are registered with, and regulated by, the Electoral Commission during this period. This means that donations over £500 have to be verified as permissible, and those over £7,500 published by the Electoral Commission, as required by law.

We have, therefore, set the donation limit to £499 because in a regulated period, any donation for campaign purposes below £500 is considered a small donation, which means that individual donors don’t have to be checked.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/european_el ... attle_fund" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll hold my hands up, I was wrong (this is how normal people debate). It hadn't occurred to me that we're now in a campaign period with different rules.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:45 pm

Ah, so because we are in a European election, the Brexit Party and the Peoples Vote have the same rules then.

With you now!

There you go Ringo, its not that hard is it?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:45 pm

AndyClaret wrote:neither is the brexit party.

Really? After my previous blunder I'm open to being convinced but given that they are campaigning and putting up candidates for an election I'd be surprised if that didn't make them a political party. On what basis do you think they're not?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Slightly off topic, but here is the new Brexit deal that is planned.

Sounds like its a real attempt to woo votes from Labour to counterbalance the ones they lose from the Conservatives.

Which is certainly a novel way of doing it

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/ ... 3166546944" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I struggle to understand how this And Parliament will be given a say - through SI - in whether to trigger the back stop. isn't just kicking the can further down the road. What happens if the vote is against triggering the backstop, will we break an international agreement with the EU?

Unless I'm missing something I can't see why the EU would agree to this.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:51 pm

aggi wrote:Really? After my previous blunder I'm open to being convinced but given that they are campaigning and putting up candidates for an election I'd be surprised if that didn't make them a political party. On what basis do you think they're not?

There wasn't enough time to set it up as a political party, they don't have members, they have registered supporters.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sorry Andy, was that before or after the C4 investigation?

It was last week, they are there today as well after the Gordon Brown smears yesterday, nothing coordinated though...

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:57 pm

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 21, 2019 1:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ah, so because we are in a European election, the Brexit Party and the Peoples Vote have the same rules then.

With you now!

There you go Ringo, its not that hard is it?

The point is, the 2 separate groups are clearly being treat totally differently , despite using the same methods of fund raising.

Will Gordon "what have you done with the gold?" Brown now pontificate about the Peoples Vote avoiding scrutiny and will the usual suspects in the media be all over it like a rash ?

I won't hold my breath.

I'll sit back and watch the Establishment, the political class and Remoaners who're being reduced to increasingly desperate measures to try and thwart the Will of the People.

DEMOCRACY - IT RELIES ON THE LOSING SIDE ACCEPTING THEY LOST.