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Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 5:17 pm

A few weeks ago I went to a wedding evening do near Poynton. Before the wedding myself and my wife met two other friends at a Wetherspoons for a pint and a bite to eat. Apparently the car park had a time limit and doesn’t belong to Wetherspoons, even though the pub is right in the middle of the car park.

Below is the letter that has just welcomed me as I returned from holiday.

Has anyone got any advise as to what to do? Should I call the pub and explain we had a meal etc and this is why we were there a while? Should I just ignore it or should I pay up?

Cheers in advance for any advise

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Leisure » Tue May 21, 2019 5:22 pm

Can't help you but just letting you know that your reg is still visible in the body of the letter.
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby wilks_bfc » Tue May 21, 2019 5:23 pm

You’ve left your reg visible on a few lines

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 5:23 pm

Yeah I realised after posting. Tbh I’m not sure why I hid it anyway. Not like people are after well old Skoda Octavias

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 5:25 pm

Is it still a three hour limit there?

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 5:27 pm

thatdberight wrote:Is it still a three hour limit there?


I believe so yes

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby TheOriginalLongsider » Tue May 21, 2019 5:31 pm

Can’t hurt to contact the pub. Had similar at Halfords and they sorted it out.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Funkydrummer » Tue May 21, 2019 5:31 pm

Glad that you have alerted me to this as I sometimes park on here when I go to the local blues club.

Not had a problem so far, but will be cautious in future.

Maybe they've just started to do this, as I know they have at Holmes Mill in Clitheroe for instance - I know someone who got stung for £100 there.

One man's loss is another man's gain !!

Cheers
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 5:35 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Glad that you have alerted me to this as I sometimes park on here when I go to the local blues club.

Not had a problem so far, but will be cautious in future.

Maybe they've just started to do this, as I know they have at Holmes Mill in Clitheroe for instance - I know someone who got stung for £100 there.

One man's loss is another man's gain !!

Cheers


Fancy paying me 45 quid for the advise ?

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 5:36 pm

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:Can’t hurt to contact the pub. Had similar at Halfords and they sorted it out.


They seem to simply wash their hands of it - check them out on TripAdvisor.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Zom Zom » Tue May 21, 2019 5:38 pm

I was broken down on the TK Maxx car park in Burnley. 2 hours permitted, returned after 90 minutes and couldn't move my vehicle.
Called the RAC, took them over 2 hours to arrive.
I received a fine. I sent the information including the official RAC transcript to my appeal.
I lost.

I tried again through POPLA the official body set up to deal with these things. Re-submitted all the information, and lost.

Cost me £100. I'm still seething.

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Re: Parking charge notice

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby South West Claret. » Tue May 21, 2019 5:39 pm

Inchy wrote: Should I call the pub and explain we had a meal etc and this is why we were there a while? Should I just ignore it or should I pay up?




For starters I would certainly not pay up or ignore it but would definitely call the pub and explain, get the name of the person you speak too and if you don't get satisfaction then tell them that you will contact Tim Martin Weatherspoon's Chairman, explaining that if they don't try and fob you off after asking for his contact details the person may be reported by you for being unhelpful.

That should do the trick and do let us know how you get on.
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Funkydrummer » Tue May 21, 2019 5:47 pm

Inchy wrote:Fancy paying me 45 quid for the advise ?


No, but I'll stick a couple of pints over the bar for you when I'm next there. :D

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 5:47 pm

You should certainly contact the pub,
But at no stage disclose who was driving.

How was the signage ? Was it clear that there was a time limit on how long you could stay
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 5:49 pm

paulatky wrote:You should certainly contact the pub,
But at no stage disclose who was driving.

How was the signage ? Was it clear that there was a time limit on how long you could stay



Tbh I didn’t take any notice of any signs because I have never been to a pub that has a time limit on parking
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 5:51 pm

paulatky wrote:You should certainly contact the pub,
But at no stage disclose who was driving.

How was the signage ? Was it clear that there was a time limit on how long you could stay


The driver is irrelevant. They're entitled to hold the owner liable.

When I've been there, the signage and rules were clear. They don't always but Euro aren't a local cowboy operator. They're likely to have the signage and charge letters right.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 5:52 pm

South West Claret. wrote:...tell them that you will contact Tim Martin Weatherspoon's Chairman, explaining that if they don't try and fob you off after asking for his contact details the person may be reported by you for being unhelpful.


I don't think you mean that.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Tue May 21, 2019 5:53 pm

The queen Victoria does in Burnley

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby South West Claret. » Tue May 21, 2019 5:54 pm

Inchy wrote:Tbh I didn’t take any notice of any signs because I have never been to a pub that has a time limit on parking


Understandable and of course no pub wants to see their car parking facility abused so if you explain to them I'm sure that in terms of customer relations you will get some satisfaction.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 5:56 pm

The driver is relevant.
To pass liability to keeper certain procedures have to be followed precisely. Parking companies dont always do that correctly.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm

paulatky wrote:The driver is relevant.
To pass liability to keeper certain procedures have to be followed precisely. Parking companies dont always do that correctly.


It's already a "Notice to Keeper" which I thought was standard if there was no ticket attached to the vehicle at the time and it was done via ANPR.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Inchy » Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm

I didn’t receive a ticket at the time

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby bob-the-scutter » Tue May 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Inchy wrote:Tbh I didn’t take any notice of any signs because I have never been to a pub that has a time limit on parking

This can`t be ignored Inchy! We can help you kill this but you`ll need to be quick. Hopefully you`ve not contacted the parking company?
I`m a moderator at Facebook page fight your private parking invoice join the page and Scan/post up what you`ve received covering any personal details but leaving dates & times visible. ECP are BPA members so our guru Tony Taylor can hopefully sort this for you.Do not mention, even on the fight page who the driver was.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fightyourprivateparkinginvoice/
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby nil_desperandum » Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm

Inchy wrote:Tbh I didn’t take any notice of any signs because I have never been to a pub that has a time limit on parking

Really?
You've been extremely lucky. I've found that a large percentage of these types of establishments have some kind of restriction and number plate recognition nowadays, and as often as not they ask you to register your car registration on a screen at the bar (or similar). Once registered you're usually ok so long as you're spending money in there and can provide the receipt, but it's not always obvious what the situation is, so nowadays I invariably ask at the bar on arrival if there are any parking restrictions, or how to register.
The situation at the Queen Vic, (Bank Hall) has been very confusing. For some time you had to buy a ticket for £1, but then got the £1 deducted from your bill on production of receipt. Not been for a while, but I believe now you just register on a screen.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby bob-the-scutter » Tue May 21, 2019 6:17 pm

Zom Zom wrote:I was broken down on the TK Maxx car park in Burnley. 2 hours permitted, returned after 90 minutes and couldn't move my vehicle.
Called the RAC, took them over 2 hours to arrive.
I received a fine. I sent the information including the official RAC transcript to my appeal.
I lost.

I tried again through POPLA the official body set up to deal with these things. Re-submitted all the information, and lost.

Cost me £100. I'm still seething.

Anything BPA related we can usually kill off. The IPC which is the other supposedly independent body is corrupt as it`s actually run by the parking companies so no one gets any joy appealing to them, they still can be beat but it`s more of a lottery.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby bob-the-scutter » Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm

Damo wrote:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets/

Not the best place for advice because it`s mainly outdated.
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Is Tony Taylor the guy who charges £10 to appeal on your behalf ?
If so they are far better and free facebook sites who will help

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 7:00 pm

Is Tony Taylor the guy who charges £10 to appeal on your behalf ?
If so they are far better and free facebook sites who will help

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Marney&Mee » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

He charges £20 Paul?

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 8:13 pm

Other sites dont charge and give a better service

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby South West Claret. » Tue May 21, 2019 8:30 pm

thatdberight wrote:I don't think you mean that.


Really why’s that then ?

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 8:38 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Really why’s that then ?


If you re-read it, you'll see. Or maybe not. It might just be how it's phrased but it reads that you'll be escalating the issue if they don't try to fob you off.
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Alanstevensonsgloves » Tue May 21, 2019 8:39 pm

paulatky wrote:Other sites dont charge and give a better service


Can you suggest some?

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby South West Claret. » Tue May 21, 2019 8:42 pm

thatdberight wrote:If you re-read it, you'll see. Or maybe not. It might just be how it's phrased but it reads that you'll be escalating the issue if they don't try to fob you off.


Why don’t you as I have no reason too.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Dark Cloud » Tue May 21, 2019 8:42 pm

Zom Zom wrote:I was broken down on the TK Maxx car park in Burnley. 2 hours permitted, returned after 90 minutes and couldn't move my vehicle.
Called the RAC, took them over 2 hours to arrive.
I received a fine. I sent the information including the official RAC transcript to my appeal.
I lost.

I tried again through POPLA the official body set up to deal with these things. Re-submitted all the information, and lost.

Cost me £100. I'm still seething.

That's because POPLA is simply a puppet of the parking industry and will almost always "check that everything is above board", THEN enforce the fine!!!

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 8:44 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Why don’t you as I have no reason too.


to*

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby South West Claret. » Tue May 21, 2019 8:53 pm

thatdberight wrote:to*


Thanks for that as you seemed now to get the point eventually.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby beddie » Tue May 21, 2019 8:54 pm

The rules surrounding this type of notice have changed considerably over the years and they are almost water tight. I think you're better to 'bite the bullet" and pay it. You could end up with the fine increasing and you'll end up getting worn down with it all.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Damo » Tue May 21, 2019 8:57 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:Not the best place for advice because it`s mainly outdated.

Theres a link to the forum on there which has plenty of up to date advice.
It's all for free too, unlike many of the chancers on fbook

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby paulatky » Tue May 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Try Private Parking Tickets - help and advice on facebook

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Tue May 21, 2019 9:49 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Thanks for that as you seemed now to get the point eventually.


It won't happen again...

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby wembley94 » Wed May 22, 2019 1:17 am

Not surprised did you have a burnley scarf on display.in a stockport post code...Car parks that use cameras when you enter and leave.need to have signs post.displaying the terms and conditions

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Tricky Trevor » Wed May 22, 2019 1:36 am

Had a nightmare parking for the Arsenal match. Free ones full and pay ones closing at 5pm.
Ended up on the site, above The Bridge, that used to be the Fiat garage in town. As I’m parking up I notice a small sign, tight in a corner. You have to have registered online or it’s a £100 excess. Be careful out there. I left sharpish.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby houseboy » Wed May 22, 2019 9:29 am

There's a lot of cr@p posted about parking fines but trust me it is best to pay them. I get sick of reading all the smart ass stuff about ignore it and it will go away. This is happening less and less now. My daughter not long ago got done for parking wrongly on Blackburn station car park (some of it is station some of it something else, some of it is f*ck knows what). Not sure anybody knows the right place to park there. Anyway she took the 'don't pay it because it's not council and they won't pursue it' bloody advice. Not so folks - she ignored a couple of letters as per the 'advice' and wound up with it being passed to a collection service (with added costs). Eventually threatened with court action she paid - £160 for a £30 fine.

Having read up on this since (after reading the accompanying letter from the collection service) it seems that many private parking firms are now following up on these because, contrary to popular belief, they can enforce them and are doing so more and more because of the numbers of people who were ignoring them. Not sure of the details but it follows some test case or other where the parking firm successfully got payment from someone refusing to pay. It would seem that more companies are passing the 'debt' on to collection companies and these barstewards WILL pursue you to the bloody grave.

As a post script, oddly over the years I have got away with not paying 3 parking fines, all were council and all were because I wrote to them about (genuine) mitigating circumstances.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Dy1geo » Wed May 22, 2019 9:46 am

Years ago I got a Parking Charge notice from UKPC for “leaving the site” at Millgate in Bury the KFC one. First letter from them £100 next two weeks later £100 next 2 weeks later from DRP - demand for £160 two weeks after another £160 one month later dropped to £128 then one month later Zenith collections offering a reduced settlement of £80 then a month later again offering a reduced £80 settlement but this time threatening court.
I ignored the lot as I was prepared to go to court and after last letter nothing and it is now time barred.
My advice is if you think you have a good case don’t ever get into conversation and be prepared to go to Court
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby Tricky Trevor » Wed May 22, 2019 1:45 pm

As with post 46. My eldest has had one over her head for about 6 years now and we are waiting for them to take her to court. They won’t.
It was a drop off at Liverpool airport. The website still shows the runway apron as a car park, it isn’t. The parking signage approaching the airport is minute and in a no stopping zone. So is totally unreadable. The airport is totally double red lines, whatever the feck that means?

Every situation is different but don’t let them scare you with increased charges.

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby thatdberight » Wed May 22, 2019 1:53 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:... double red lines, whatever the feck that means?


Knowing what road markings mean is supposed to be a basic that drivers know before driving.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway ... d-markings
"the double red line ALWAYS means no stopping at any time."

Apologies Trevor - on re-reading that, it looks like I'm saying I know everything. I didn't mean that - I know this one but there are lots of road signs I'd probably struggle with - I too don't know many of the things that I should before getting behind the wheel!
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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby bob-the-scutter » Wed May 22, 2019 4:16 pm

paulatky wrote:Is Tony Taylor the guy who charges £10 to appeal on your behalf ?
If so they are far better and free facebook sites who will help

He has a 90% success rate and knows the ins and outs of the appeals service.
No idea where you get the "far better" from!

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Re: Parking charge notice

Postby bob-the-scutter » Wed May 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote:Can you suggest some?

Of course he cant


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