Good grief ! - Dawson again

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:38 am

Why not just move Mee to the left back, have Dawson right back and have 4 Central defenders? In fact while we're at it lets go all out and play Long, Gibson and all our full backs as well.

Playing 8 at the back should frustrate Chelsea and David Luiz even more. Brady can be the attacking option to come on as third left back in the 89th minute.

If we're in need of an extra defender in case we are taking too many risks we can give Jimmy Dunne a start.

Heaton
Lowton - Bardsley - Dawson - Long - Dunne - Tarkowski - Gibson - Mee - Taylor - Brady

Flat 10-0-0

Hey it's no more far-fetched than Hendrick playing as a number 10.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:44 am

Or no more far fetched than you having any knowledge

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:11 am

fanzone wrote:IV changed my mind, I made a mistake I want to renew my season ticket again on hearing this news.

You have an unusual definition of "news".

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:13 am

Still think he's a very good player. Excellent aggression in the box from set plays and can tackle. At the right price he'd be a good addition.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:21 am

I'll answer my own question no,WBA fans can't believe we have offered £15, if we have that is.why do we always chase old targets?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:22 am

Old targets or old targets?

Either way if there's any substance to it it means a CB is off.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:24 am

Steve1956 wrote:I'll answer my own question no,WBA fans can't believe we have offered £15, if we have that is.why do we always chase old targets?

Ok....£16 might just do it

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:24 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Old targets or old targets?

Either way if there's any substance to it it means a CB is off.

29 is not old C&J so I meant targets we chase every season...and eventually never get them

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:26 am

We are going to make an hell of a profit on Tarkowski,that's the targets we need to aim for players like him with massive sell on fees ....not Dawson.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:26 am

Steve1956 wrote:I'll answer my own question no,WBA fans can't believe we have offered £15, if we have that is.why do we always chase old targets?

Have you a source for this? I've seen no suggestion anywhere that we have made a bid. Are you sure you aren't just misreading the Sun article?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:26 am

Steve1956 wrote:29 is not old C&J so I meant targets we chase every season...and eventually never get them

Fingers crossed this is another of those

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:28 am

dsr wrote:Have you a source for this? I've seen no suggestion anywhere that we have made a bid. Are you sure you aren't just misreading the Sun article?

No! I just made it up,has no one on this board ever done that before ?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:44 am

Steve1956 wrote:We are going to make an hell of a profit on Tarkowski,that's the targets we need to aim for players like him with massive sell on fees ....not Dawson.

How can you guarantee that every player we sign from the Championship and below will work out?

We know that Dawson has played in the Premier league.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:48 am

In today's market I would say 'probably yes'

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:48 am

Spijed wrote:How can you guarantee that every player we sign from the Championship and below will work out?

We know that Dawson has played in the Premier league.

Good point...that's the gamble I suppose.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:51 am

Spijed wrote:How can you guarantee that every player we sign from the Championship and below will work out?

We know that Dawson has played in the Premier league.

In the last two season's he's played in a relegated team and one that failed to get out of the Championship,and 29...I was just questioning wether he's worth 15 million or not,with no sell on value?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:00 am

No but someone will pay it!

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:00 am

I'd much rather splash £15m on Che Adams. Dawson might be worth that if we sell Tarks for £50m

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:26 am

IanMcL wrote:No but someone will pay it!

If that's the case, then that's what he's worth. Kinda how a market works.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:43 am

IanMcL wrote:No but someone will pay it!

Apart from us, I don't think anyone else would.
Most teams try and buy players that strengthen their first team and can make a profit at a later date.

Maybe Norwich he could strengthen but he would lose value faster than a brand new car driving off the forecourt.

Remember, he got shifted to right back in the prem as he wasn’t first choice centre back.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:48 am

Assuming we are getting 50m if Tarks moves, then yes

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:53 am

in an era where teams that succeed spend almost a billion pounds to construct a winning squad, 15 mill is like change down the back of an old sofa.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:56 am

Lazy journalism I'd guess but it has got few to turn to social media to show their displeasure.

With wba tightening their belts Dawson could go for £10m which would be a decent price for an experienced centre half.

Some utc posters will want us to spend much more than that on a bigger name.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:59 am

15 million would be a very generous offer for a player with 1 year left on his contract and WBA seemingly needing to cut costs. If the stories are true then that should be our only offer, take it or leave it.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Thu May 23, 2019 11:21 am

It's an ingenious plan riddled with revenge..
WBA will be shown the signed cheque for £15m..
Dawson's pen will be hovering over the dotted line..
Garlick will up and walk out smirking as he tosses the cheque in the air like confetti

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu May 23, 2019 11:24 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Apart from us, I don't think anyone else would.
Most teams try and buy players that strengthen their first team and can make a profit at a later date.

Maybe Norwich he could strengthen but he would lose value faster than a brand new car driving off the forecourt.

Remember, he got shifted to right back in the prem as he wasn’t first choice centre back.

As Zikhov states, he is ready made, to replace a sold Tarkowski. Overall, we will make lots and be ready.

If it is £15m (speculation at this point), then it is the end of the chain starting with an inflated Maquire, followed by an inflated Tarkowski.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu May 23, 2019 12:16 pm

Straight into my Fantasy team. 4 goals from corners nailed on.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu May 23, 2019 12:51 pm

mkmel wrote:I can't see him going to any of those clubs you mentioned

Leicester makes sense if they sell Maguire or maybe moneybags Wolves or poss Everton

You’re probably right as they could offer a big salary with slightly better prospects . Though in fairness most can offer him a lot more than we can

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu May 23, 2019 12:53 pm

Looks like the batteries in my time machine are finally working

I’m off out now to lump on France to win the World Cup

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu May 23, 2019 1:28 pm

Clarets Turf and the Sun arrange our transfers don't they?

or so they seem to think

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu May 23, 2019 1:30 pm

So we buy Dawson, then let’s say Tarks DOESNT get sold.

Be like Mee/Gibson all over again.

Think it was Einstein who said something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

I’d like to think this isn’t going to happen, as Colburn (and others) say, there are other more pressing priorities, but we will see.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu May 23, 2019 2:05 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Or no more far fetched than you having any knowledge

Keep reelin them in

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu May 23, 2019 2:08 pm

Bournemouth sign a player for £13m with a season of championship football under his belt. £15m could be the right value for a player of his PL experience.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu May 23, 2019 3:38 pm

The speculation regarding Dawson is covered in the Rumour Mill section of the Guardian

"And finally, in what is quite possibly a media conspiracy to make the Mill look even more gullible than usual for reproducing such implausible nonsense, assorted news outlets are saying Burnley are plotting a club record £15m bid for the West Bromwich Albion defender Craig Dawson. No, really."

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu May 23, 2019 3:41 pm

Could you imagine our club having a record transfer fee spent on a journeyman CH from the championship?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 23, 2019 3:43 pm

Could you imagine Dyche not having the backing of all the fans yet

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu May 23, 2019 3:52 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Could you imagine our club having a record transfer fee spent on a journeyman CH from the championship?

journeyman?

He's had two permanent clubs.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Thu May 23, 2019 3:56 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:journeyman?

He's had two permanent clubs.

The word is an observation of his competence, not his travelling history.

Counter-intuitive I know, but there you are.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu May 23, 2019 4:05 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:journeyman?

He's had two permanent clubs.

Yeah, probably should of just used bang average instead.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:44 pm

juliedoney wrote:AMEN!!

Id sooner play kevin long

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:26 pm

WBA fan at work would rather we took Rodriguez than Dawson.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:28 pm

Longsider wrote:WBA fan at work would rather we took Rodriguez than Dawson.

As much as I think we should look at targets other than Rodriguez, that guys clearly talking out of his arse.

Rodriguez is easily one of the best strikers in that league.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:18 pm

Longsider wrote:WBA fan at work would rather we took Rodriguez than Dawson.

That's what the West Brom fan I know said last season too.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:23 pm

Longsider wrote:WBA fan at work would rather we took Rodriguez than Dawson.

Unfortunately using opinions of supporters is no barometer of how good a player is.

Take Trippier for example. Spurs supporters think he is rubbish. Burnley supporters think he is fantastic.

That's how it tends to work in the football community when player comes up for discussion at various clubs.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri May 24, 2019 1:35 am

Just in terms of Dawson and the prize tag - the question is surely whether it is worth £15 million to us to replace Tarks - should he leave - with someone who can slot in and perform at a level which keeps us in the premier league next season and ideally a year or so beyond.

I'd have thought the answer to that is unequivocally yes.

And so that's really that - if Dyche thinks Dawson can do the above, then there's no more debate to it. He's worth £15 million to us. The fact he's 29 doesn't really matter - if we have to replace Tarks, we need someone who can do the job now and for the next couple of seasons at the required standard. We haven't the time for a rookie - however much potential they have - to learn on the job. We then worry about replacing Dawson when we need to.

Personally I've never been completely sold on Dawson but it seems he's Dyches preferred man so no more questions really.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri May 24, 2019 6:17 am

we might score from a set piece !

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri May 24, 2019 7:54 am

Vegas Claret wrote:we might score from a set piece !

Only three teams scored more goals from set pieces than we did last season.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri May 24, 2019 8:41 am

claretspice wrote:Just in terms of Dawson and the prize tag - the question is surely whether it is worth £15 million to us to replace Tarks - should he leave - with someone who can slot in and perform at a level which keeps us in the premier league next season and ideally a year or so beyond.

I'd have thought the answer to that is unequivocally yes.

Personally I've never been completely sold on Dawson but it seems he's Dyches preferred man so no more questions really.

Don't those two comments conflict?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri May 24, 2019 9:03 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Don't those two comments conflict?

No, unless you think my perception of Dawson is as important as Dyches considered opinion. I don't.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri May 24, 2019 9:03 am

Steve1956 wrote:I'll answer my own question no,WBA fans can't believe we have offered £15, if we have that is.why do we always chase old targets?

Perhaps that's it. Folk just added the m as we all assumed it was million.