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May quits

Postby wilks_bfc » Fri May 24, 2019 10:10 am

Standing down as PM/ Tory leader on June 7

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Re: May quits

Postby ClaretTony » Fri May 24, 2019 10:11 am

And there was me thinking she was the best woman PM we'd ever had
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Re: May quits

Postby Juxtaposition » Fri May 24, 2019 10:12 am

When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers.

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Re: May quits

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am

I expected this to be about David May, was just thinking he could be decent back up

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Re: May quits

Postby Damo » Fri May 24, 2019 10:14 am

Dyche to Downing street?

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Re: May quits

Postby theroyaldyche » Fri May 24, 2019 10:16 am

Tommy in
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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:19 am

"The country I love"...... Which I have truly Fuccked up! :lol:

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Re: May quits

Postby Rick_Muller » Fri May 24, 2019 10:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:And there was me thinking she was the best woman PM we'd ever had

not a lot of competition there to be fair CT...
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Re: May quits

Postby dsr » Fri May 24, 2019 10:24 am

I think she's staying on as PM until the Tory leadership election is complete.

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Re: May quits

Postby Falcon » Fri May 24, 2019 10:24 am

Given an impossible task and inevitably failed.

Can't see a successor being any better at delivering Brexit.
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Re: May quits

Postby ClaretTony » Fri May 24, 2019 10:25 am

Rick_Muller wrote:not a lot of competition there to be fair CT...


NONE
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Re: May quits

Postby Caballo » Fri May 24, 2019 10:26 am

Steve1956 wrote:"The country I love"...... Which I have truly Fuccked up! :lol:


I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.
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Re: May quits

Postby martin_p » Fri May 24, 2019 10:26 am

dsr wrote:I think she's staying on as PM until the Tory leadership election is complete.


Only in a caretaker role, she won’t have any power after 7th (although she hasn’t really had any power since she threw away her majority in the commons by holding an unnecessary election).

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am

Falcon wrote:Given an impossible task and inevitably failed.

Can't see a successor being any better at delivering Brexit.

Get a prominent brexiteer and leave with no deal on The 31st of October...simples.
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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am

Caballo wrote:I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.

Harsh but correct I would say.

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Re: May quits

Postby damo_whitehead » Fri May 24, 2019 10:28 am

Don't like how she has handled things but to be fair, she was brave enough to step up when others wouldn't, and realistically it was always going to go this way. I think regardless of who was PM, this would of been the outcome
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Re: May quits

Postby dsr » Fri May 24, 2019 10:29 am

martin_p wrote:Only in a caretaker role, she won’t have any power after 7th (although she hasn’t really had any power since she threw away her majority in the commons by holding an unnecessary election).

I agree she won't have any power, and I agree that she hasn't been able to do anything since her Brexit deal failed and failed and failed to win a majority. Any other PM would have resigned long ago.

But presumably her last act to help out the Tory party (unless she has been a socialist mole all along!) will be to stay there until they have decided who has to replace her. If she resigns both jobs at once, then someone will have to be appointed - presumably the Tories' deputy leader - who is that?

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am

dsr wrote:I agree she won't have any power, and I agree that she hasn't been able to do anything since her Brexit deal failed and failed and failed to win a majority. Any other PM would have resigned long ago.

But presumably her last act to help out the Tory party (unless she has been a socialist mole all along!) will be to stay there until they have decided who has to replace her. If she resigns both jobs at once, then someone will have to be appointed - presumably the Tories' deputy leader - who is that?

She was dressed in red to be fair.

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Re: May quits

Postby Lancasterclaret » Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am

Steve1956 wrote:Get a prominent brexiteer and leave with no deal on The 31st of October...simples.


Its like the last three years didn't happen.

Care to take us through it all again?

(if he does Tony, then nuke the board!)

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Re: May quits

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Fri May 24, 2019 10:32 am

She’s been a complete embarrassment from start to finish.

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Re: May quits

Postby Rick_Muller » Fri May 24, 2019 10:32 am

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Re: May quits

Postby martin_p » Fri May 24, 2019 10:32 am

dsr wrote:I agree she won't have any power, and I agree that she hasn't been able to do anything since her Brexit deal failed and failed and failed to win a majority. Any other PM would have resigned long ago.

But presumably her last act to help out the Tory party (unless she has been a socialist mole all along!) will be to stay there until they have decided who has to replace her. If she resigns both jobs at once, then someone will have to be appointed - presumably the Tories' deputy leader - who is that?


Absolutely she’ll be in the role until a successor is appointed, but it’ll almost be a ceremonial role after 7th. It essentially means paralysis until the end of July, the summer recess may as well start now.

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Re: May quits

Postby dsr » Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 am

Steve1956 wrote:Get a prominent brexiteer and leave with no deal on The 31st of October...simples.

It'll have to be a Brexiteer for the sake of the Tory party. Because all those votes that have defected to the Brexit party - if there isn't a Brexit supporter at the helm when the next general election comes round, then many of them won't come back.

I expect it will be Boris. The MPs won't dare to leave him off the final two ballot (unless they can find a bit of dirty on him, and they can find a suitable Brexiteer candidate to put on the paper) and he would win the members' vote. If not him, then either Javid or Raab.

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its like the last three years didn't happen.

Care to take us through it all again?

(if he does Tony, then nuke the board!)

:lol:

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:35 am

If she had left at the end of March,it wouldn't have come to this Lancaster,she put the noose around her own neck and her party queued up to kick away the stool.

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Re: May quits

Postby tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:36 am

dsr wrote:I agree she won't have any power, and I agree that she hasn't been able to do anything since her Brexit deal failed and failed and failed to win a majority. Any other PM would have resigned long ago.

But presumably her last act to help out the Tory party (unless she has been a socialist mole all along!) will be to stay there until they have decided who has to replace her. If she resigns both jobs at once, then someone will have to be appointed - presumably the Tories' deputy leader - who is that?


David Lidington is de facto deputy,he seems competent enough,but in this parliament that's hardly a compliment.

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Re: May quits

Postby 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 24, 2019 10:37 am

Caballo wrote:I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.


I'm tired of hearing this.
She wanted the s*it sandwich, she chose it, she looked at the menu and positively purred and drooled at the sh*t sandwich.


SHE WASN'T HANDED IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: May quits

Postby Falcon » Fri May 24, 2019 10:39 am

Steve1956 wrote:Get a prominent brexiteer and leave with no deal on The 31st of October...simples.


Good luck getting that through HoC
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Re: May quits

Postby Tricky Trevor » Fri May 24, 2019 10:40 am

I’m no fan of these arsewipes but she was dealt the worst hand in political history.
She then chose to play it blind by going to the polls and getting her buttkicked.
Feel for her because she knows what damage a no deal is going to do to Britain and has tried to get any deal through. With so many factions shouting different causes she was well and truly screwed.
If you are a working man.....worry.
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Re: May quits

Postby dsr » Fri May 24, 2019 10:41 am

tiger76 wrote:David Lidington is de facto deputy,he seems competent enough,but in this parliament that's hardly a compliment.

Competent? In this parliament, it's unheard of!

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Re: May quits

Postby nil_desperandum » Fri May 24, 2019 10:41 am

Caballo wrote:I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.

I thought that she wanted and applied for the job? If she didn't understand the seriousness of the situation and how difficult it was going to be then she clearly wasn't up to the job. And then to make matters worse she chose - against much advice - to throw her Parliamentary majority / advantage away.
In retrospect she will probably reflect that that was the time to resign rather than continue to embarrass herself taking the country on a road to nowhere for a further 2 years.

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve1956 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:42 am

Falcon wrote:Good luck getting that through HoC

No problem :lol:

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Re: May quits

Postby Lancasterclaret » Fri May 24, 2019 10:42 am

Steve1956 wrote:If she had left at the end of March,it wouldn't have come to this Lancaster,she put the noose around her own neck and her party queued up to kick away the stool.


She'd have been better going after her attempt at a compromise lost by so many votes.

End of the day, her decision to call an election when she had a majority was the biggest disaster for her (and arguably the country)

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Re: May quits

Postby nil_desperandum » Fri May 24, 2019 10:44 am

dsr wrote:I expect it will be Boris. The MPs won't dare to leave him off the final two ballot (unless they can find a bit of dirty on him, and they can find a suitable Brexiteer candidate to put on the paper) and he would win the members' vote. If not him, then either Javid or Raab.

Problem for Tories is that if Johnson is elected by members they will almost certainly not be able to command a majority in the Commons since several MPs will defect to ChangeUk or sit as independents.
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Re: May quits

Postby Lancasterclaret » Fri May 24, 2019 10:45 am

For what its worth, the best Conservative leader would probably be Rory Stewart (he's had a good Brexit) but both Johnson or Gove might be able to get stuff that we through as they are actual Brexiteers.

But hells bells, when you are typing that Johnson is actually better than the alternatives, it shows just how far we have fallen.
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Re: May quits

Postby tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:46 am

dsr wrote:Competent? In this parliament, it's unheard of!


When you are in the same cabinet as Chris Grayling it's not hard to appear competent.

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Re: May quits

Postby Caballo » Fri May 24, 2019 10:49 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:I'm tired of hearing this.
She wanted the s*it sandwich, she chose it, she looked at the menu and positively purred and drooled at the sh*t sandwich.


SHE WASN'T HANDED IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



To add some gravitas to your comments and avoid any perceived ambiguity, I'd consider using more capitals and chuck in a couple more exclamation marks :lol:

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Re: May quits

Postby nil_desperandum » Fri May 24, 2019 10:49 am

Steve1956 wrote:Get a prominent brexiteer and leave with no deal on The 31st of October...simples.

Typically simplistic brexit thinking. How will the mathematics in Parliament change between now and the end of October?. Whoever becomes leader the maths against "no deal" will still be the same, and there's no chance now (I assume) of a general election in the interim period, since the Tories will be fighting a leadership campaign.

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Re: May quits

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri May 24, 2019 10:51 am

Good riddance. Only problem is there is a list of candidates even more inept than her ready to take over.
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Re: May quits

Postby JohnMcGreal » Fri May 24, 2019 10:52 am

Good riddance to a dreadful politician and the worst prime minister in modern times.

I’d usually be happy about someone like her stepping down, but looking at the potential replacements, there’s a solid chance that the next one will be even worse.

God help us.
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Re: May quits

Postby tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:52 am

To put UK politics into perspective.

Theresa May has been in office longer than twenty post-war Italian prime ministers.

I know Italy's a basket case so comparisons are futile,but it highlights the relative stability of our PM'S in the main,of course these aren't normal times.

On a side note yet another PM the Queen has outlasted,i think the next one will be her 13th,don't know if that's a good or bad omen.

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Re: May quits

Postby JohnMcGreal » Fri May 24, 2019 10:56 am

Caballo wrote:I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.


The sh1it sandwich is Brexit, and it will continue to destroy politicians, prime ministers and governments until it's thrown in the bin.
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Re: May quits

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Fri May 24, 2019 10:57 am

Steer clear of politics. But got to feel for her. Poisoned chalice and whiever steps in will be subject to the same pressures, problems and ridicule.

Must have aged her 20 years.

Wouldnt do it for 10 million.
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Re: May quits

Postby tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:57 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Problem for Tories is that if Johnson is elected by members they will almost certainly not be able to command a majority in the Commons since several MPs will defect to ChangeUk or sit as independents.


I can't see many MP'S defecting to Change UK they've had a car crash of a European election campaign,i could see several resigning the whip and sitting as independents,that way if events change it will be easier for them to return to the fold.
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Re: May quits

Postby nil_desperandum » Fri May 24, 2019 10:57 am

tiger76 wrote:To put UK politics into perspective.

Theresa May has been in office longer than twenty post-war Italian prime ministers.

Isn't that because we have FPTP system whereas they have PR, which inevitably leads to continually changing coalitions?

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Re: May quits

Postby Jel » Fri May 24, 2019 10:59 am

She failed as Home secretary and has been a terrible PM. As for being the best female PM! Don't make me laugh, Maggie would have had this sorted out months ago

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Re: May quits

Postby FactualFrank » Fri May 24, 2019 11:03 am

Only a matter of time.

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Re: May quits

Postby tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 11:04 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Isn't that because we have FPTP system whereas they have PR, which inevitably leads to continually changing coalitions?


Perhaps! i'm not that informed on Italian politics,elections seem to be an annual event for them though.

Most European countries have some form of PR system and yet you don't see them having regular GE'S.

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Re: May quits

Postby 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 24, 2019 11:16 am

Caballo wrote:To add some gravitas to your comments and avoid any perceived ambiguity, I'd consider using more capitals and chuck in a couple more exclamation marks :lol:


THERE YOU GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

Though I note people are changing it from handed a sh#t sandwich to
Dealt a bad hand.

The cards were on the table face up and she chose to play that hand.
How much sympathy can you give someone?

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Re: May quits

Postby dsr » Fri May 24, 2019 11:18 am

Being dealt a bad hand is no excuse for putting your king on the opponents' ace. You can still play a bad hand, well.


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