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The next Tory Leader..

Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 7:03 pm

Is going to Be........who? Plenty on here slating Theresa May on All Her shortcomings etc ....but surprise ..surprise..It's All gone quiet on who will succeed her.its easy to kick someone when down and enter into the Bear Baiting Arena...do we have any names to hand for the Leadership or have you all safely now withdrawn behind your twitching curtains?
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Post by Juxtaposition » Fri May 24, 2019 7:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:Is going to Be........who? Plenty on here slating Theresa May on All Her shortcomings etc ....but surprise ..surprise..It's All gone quiet on who will succeed her.its easy to kick someone when down and enter into the Bear Baiting Arena...do we have any names to hand for the Leadership or have you all safely now withdrawn behind your twitching curtains?

It seems incredibly dumb to criticise people for not blindly guessing who will be the next PM. Especially if you yourself don't even bother to offer an opinion.
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Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 7:07 pm

Juxtaposition wrote:It seems incredibly dumb to criticise people for not blindly guessing who will be the next PM. Especially if you yourself don't even bother to offer an opinion.
I don't have to....but to appease you I'll say Javed. :D
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Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri May 24, 2019 7:07 pm

tim_noone wrote:I don't have to....
And neither does anyone else, thus rendering your post pointless.
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Post by 4:20 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:16 pm

I think moobs like Jabba will win

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri May 24, 2019 7:27 pm

Whoever it will be will be slated and criticised and mocked. And hounded out from day one.

Ad infinitum.
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Post by Goobs » Fri May 24, 2019 7:37 pm

tim_noone wrote:Is going to Be........who? Plenty on here slating Theresa May on All Her shortcomings etc ....but surprise ..surprise..It's All gone quiet on who will succeed her.its easy to kick someone when down and enter into the Bear Baiting Arena...do we have any names to hand for the Leadership or have you all safely now withdrawn behind your twitching curtains?
Hunt

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Post by karatekid » Fri May 24, 2019 7:54 pm

Goobs wrote:Hunt
Witch
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri May 24, 2019 8:00 pm

None of the runners are up to the job so it’s irrelevant.
Corbyn has made a big mistake calling for an election. He should sit on his hands and let the country see how inept they are. Then he has a chance of winning.
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 8:01 pm

karatekid wrote:Witch
I think it's Jeremy.

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Post by Goobs » Fri May 24, 2019 8:09 pm

tim_noone wrote:I think it's Jeremy.
Mike
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Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri May 24, 2019 8:12 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:None of the runners are up to the job so it’s irrelevant.
Corbyn has made a big mistake calling for an election. He should sit on his hands and let the country see how inept they are. Then he has a chance of winning.
Whether true or not it supposes that Corbyn is up to the job, and the thought of him as PM is frightening.
The problem with old Labour, or the Commies, is that they know how to spend money, bit they haven't got a clue how to make it. The country would be bankrupt in 2 years, and then it would take the next Government 5 years to undo the damage. Undoing the damage would call for austerity measures that the incumbents would get the blame for. They'd be booted out to replaced by Labour. And so the cycle goes on... We'd be back to boom and bust.
Then the real knobs would be blaming Brexit, rather than the idiots in charge.


The next Tory leader has one job, to get us out of the EU. After that we can go back and decide who has the best plans for the next step, our future.
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Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 8:13 pm

Goobs wrote:Mike
Ahh porky. :D "Javed"

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Post by fanzone » Fri May 24, 2019 8:20 pm

Boris will sort this sh1t out
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Post by barba » Fri May 24, 2019 8:24 pm

Mrs put £40 on Boris when he was 10-1 so considering she backed both Brexit and Trump at the bookies he's a shoe in.

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Post by mkmel » Fri May 24, 2019 8:53 pm

Surely the Tories won't be that stupid

Mind you it is the Tories

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Post by bobinho » Fri May 24, 2019 9:42 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:None of the runners are up to the job so it’s irrelevant.
Corbyn has made a big mistake calling for an election. He should sit on his hands and let the country see how inept they are. Then he has a chance of winning.
And exactly why JC shouldn't get anywhere near No 10. If he isn't smart enough to realise this is the time to sit back and relax, he certainly isn't smart enough to be let loose with the big decisions. Not even clever enough to cut loose the millstone around his neck that is DA.

Absolutely 100% unelectable.

As for the Tories new leader, I don't think it's going to matter. Brexit isn't going to happen, which is why we won't hear the new one announce anything regarding carrying out the wishes of the people.

Right now, anyone - ANYONE but Boris. Yes, he may be a brexiteer, but he's a puppet and a muppet, the posh tory version of DA. Someone else is controlling him.

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Post by IanMcL » Fri May 24, 2019 11:03 pm

They are all putrid.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 11:09 pm

IanMcL wrote:They are all putrid.
Racist!

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Post by Damo » Fri May 24, 2019 11:19 pm

Forget Corbyn. He is unelectable. Labour are finished.
The Tories will be soon too

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Post by tim_noone » Fri May 24, 2019 11:27 pm

Damo wrote:Forget Corbyn. He is unelectable. Labour are finished.
The Tories will be soon too
Where does that Leave Tommy? 8-)

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Post by tiger76 » Fri May 24, 2019 11:42 pm

Damo wrote:Forget Corbyn. He is unelectable. Labour are finished.
The Tories will be soon too
Big call Damo where on earth does that leave the country then.

It's not just the leaders there is maybe a handful of the cabinet/shadow cabinet that i'd trust to run a bath.

If there's a GE anytime soon i might consider voting Lib Dem for the first time ever,and that's from a brexiteer who voted for Farage' s party yesterday.

Their persistence for a 2nd referendum worries me,however i don't see a viable long-term resolution otherwise.

The big 2 and the SNP are definitely persona non grata,i suppose if the Greens bother to stand a candidate they'll be considered,but they support another Scottish Indy ref.

As for the BP they're fine as a protest vote,but should never be anywhere near the corridors of power.

:? :? :?

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Post by Clarets4me » Sat May 25, 2019 12:14 am

tim_noone wrote:I don't have to....but to appease you I'll say Javed. :D
25/1 at Corals .... 20/1 at William Hill .... a license to print money !

Having said that, if Boris makes the final two names that the Conservative grass roots get to vote on, he'll win !!

Having said that, if Boris doesn't make the final two names that the Conservative grass roots get to vote on, there'll be uproar in the shires !!
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Post by Juxtaposition » Sat May 25, 2019 1:36 am

bobinho wrote:And exactly why JC shouldn't get anywhere near No 10. If he isn't smart enough to realise this is the time to sit back and relax, he certainly isn't smart enough to be let loose with the big decisions. Not even clever enough to cut loose the millstone around his neck that is DA.

Absolutely 100% unelectable.

As for the Tories new leader, I don't think it's going to matter. Brexit isn't going to happen, which is why we won't hear the new one announce anything regarding carrying out the wishes of the people.

Right now, anyone - ANYONE but Boris. Yes, he may be a brexiteer, but he's a puppet and a muppet, the posh tory version of DA. Someone else is controlling him.

This is interesting. We used to be a people who would complain when our politicians played politics, but now it seems some of us think that some politicians should be denied the job if they refuse to play politics over doing what they think is best for the country.

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Post by Damo » Sat May 25, 2019 1:41 am

tiger76 wrote:Big call Damo where on earth does that leave the country then.

It's not just the leaders there is maybe a handful of the cabinet/shadow cabinet that i'd trust to run a bath.

If there's a GE anytime soon i might consider voting Lib Dem for the first time ever,and that's from a brexiteer who voted for Farage' s party yesterday.

Their persistence for a 2nd referendum worries me,however i don't see a viable long-term resolution otherwise.

The big 2 and the SNP are definitely persona non grata,i suppose if the Greens bother to stand a candidate they'll be considered,but they support another Scottish Indy ref.

As for the BP they're fine as a protest vote,but should never be anywhere near the corridors of power.

:? :? :?
I honestly don't know.
If a GE was called now, I'd bet on some kind of coalition.
I dont even know who I would vote for. If anyone

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Post by Damo » Sat May 25, 2019 1:42 am

Juxtaposition wrote:This is interesting. We used to be a people who would complain when our politicians played politics, but now it seems some of us think that some politicians should be denied the job if they refuse to play politics over doing what they think is best for the country.
I dont think the issue with Corbyn is that he is refusing to play politics

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Post by dsr » Sat May 25, 2019 1:49 am

The new leader will have to be a Brexiter. The Tories have just seen three quarters of their voters desert to Farage, and if they vote for more of Theresa May's policy or even for a cancellation of Brexit, then most of those votes will stay with Farage. Will the Tory MPs vote for a Remainer leader in the expectation that two thirds of them will lose their seats?

I reckon it'll be Johnson, Raab, or Javed. All about equally likely.

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Post by mdd2 » Sat May 25, 2019 7:07 am

Damo wrote:Forget Corbyn. He is unelectable. Labour are finished.
The Tories will be soon too
Corbyn will become PM by default as when the next GE comes after the Blonde idiot tries to take us out of Europe with NO DEAL, he will lose a vote of no confidence as the remoaners desert the party whip and the GE later this year will put Corbyn in number 10 as the Tory vote is split between the Brexit, UK parties and what is left of the Tory party.
Bad as it is with this lot-Corbyn et al will return us to the 1970's as our National debt escalates the IMF impose real austerity and the only two pieces of good news is likely to be a mass exodus of foreign players taxed out of existence and Burnley fly up the Prem table with our mainly UK squad.
Meanwhile the politician of this century David Macaroon gets off scot free and the Nobel Prize for Politics as his brilliant ideas sees Scotland leave the UK to become a basket case itself but long after I am with fellow clarets on a cloud- or maybe Boris as favourite will NOT make it, common sense will prevail and Rory Stewart takes over

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Post by Top Claret » Sat May 25, 2019 8:31 am

Ffs Rory Stewart as PM. Just watched this guy doing an interview he has zero charisma, looks a cross between Mr Zippy and a vicar.
I might vote for Boris but never Stewart who looks weak and is unelectable
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Post by Corky » Sat May 25, 2019 8:33 am

It should be made law that if a Prime Minister resigns then there should be a General Election. As it is this will boil down to around 100,000, mainly white middle class men, deciding who becomes leader. And it could be Boris the Buffoon.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat May 25, 2019 8:41 am

it can only be a matter of time before Labour realise where the votes for them are, and when that happens Corbyn will be replaced.

They will still be a bunch of left wing fantasists, but as long as the leader isn't Corbyn it will be more palatable, and the Conservatives will still be the governing party, and trying to do the impossible (see previous three years) so they have a chance.

Of course, there is the danger of that those who voted for alternatives realising that they actually like them but I still think its premature to say Labour are finished.

I'm no longer sure about the Conservatives though, they are heading to the right at a rate of knots, and the further they go, the more votes they shed.

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Post by Juxtaposition » Sat May 25, 2019 8:49 am

Damo wrote:I dont think the issue with Corbyn is that he is refusing to play politics

And yet that was what Bobinho chose to criticise him for.

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Post by scouseclaret » Sat May 25, 2019 8:59 am

tim_noone wrote:I think it's Jeremy.
I think it’s rhyming slang.
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Post by scouseclaret » Sat May 25, 2019 9:04 am

Top Claret wrote:Ffs Rory Stewart as PM. Just watched this guy doing an interview he has zero charisma, looks a cross between Mr Zippy and a vicar.
I might vote for Boris but never Stewart who looks weak and is unelectable
Might not be the most charismatic, but he’s one of the few tories who talks in a sensible, balanced manner on Brexit. Shame politics in this country has degenerated into cult of personality

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat May 25, 2019 9:15 am

Which of these would anybody want? :o
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Post by tim_noone » Sat May 25, 2019 10:05 am

Javed......Eloquent Speaker "Look at Me" I'm now talking like Mr Bliar.

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Post by Spijed » Sat May 25, 2019 10:21 am

The only thing you can say with 100% certainty about Boris Johnson is that he's a racist.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat May 25, 2019 10:31 am

If Boris becomes PM...
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Post by Pstotto » Sat May 25, 2019 10:31 am

Boris has a sense of humour and a healthy disrespect in his locker, is educated in the history of civilization and a Brexiteer. No contest.
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Post by Pstotto » Sat May 25, 2019 10:36 am

Spijed, you're politically correct in your thinking. You've accepted dumb-down programing to blithely kow-tow to all foreign culture without derision of it, even if you had to preach about the worship of sweaty feet and carpet design accompanied by agony wailing. Yes or no?

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Post by AndrewJB » Sat May 25, 2019 10:47 am

mdd2 wrote:Corbyn will become PM by default as when the next GE comes after the Blonde idiot tries to take us out of Europe with NO DEAL, he will lose a vote of no confidence as the remoaners desert the party whip and the GE later this year will put Corbyn in number 10 as the Tory vote is split between the Brexit, UK parties and what is left of the Tory party.
Bad as it is with this lot-Corbyn et al will return us to the 1970's as our National debt escalates the IMF impose real austerity and the only two pieces of good news is likely to be a mass exodus of foreign players taxed out of existence and Burnley fly up the Prem table with our mainly UK squad.
Meanwhile the politician of this century David Macaroon gets off scot free and the Nobel Prize for Politics as his brilliant ideas sees Scotland leave the UK to become a basket case itself but long after I am with fellow clarets on a cloud- or maybe Boris as favourite will NOT make it, common sense will prevail and Rory Stewart takes over
Have you seen what the Tories have done to the debt in the last ten years? What theyve done to the economy? What they’ve done to ordinary peoples lives? Never mind things like the NHS or public services, if you’re mainly concerned with the country’s finances then why would you put your faith in a party that historically has created more debt and paid off less debt than Labour (bearing in mind they’ve also sold off a lot of publicity c assets at the same time)?

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat May 25, 2019 11:28 am

I dont know who will win the Tory leadership, so long as we leave the EU I dont care. But this idea that Boris is unelectable is barmy. Trump came with the same baggage, and despite being odious won. Not only won, but on most of his promises delivered. We might not like him still, but his supporters in America are more than happy with him. If Boris was to win, and deliver, then the country wont give a **** that he comes across as an oily upper class two hat.
In my working life I've worked with loads of people I like, who were **** at their job, and people I couldn't stand who were very good at their jobs. All you should be judging any potential leader on is can they deliver, not whether you like them. There isnt anything yet, to show who is or isnt up to the job.

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Post by Right_winger » Sat May 25, 2019 12:35 pm

It has to be a brexiteer plain and simple. If it’s a remoaner or someone like Give then that’s the end of the Tory party.

Boris is probably the one they should pick but who knows.

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Post by Rubstuds » Sat May 25, 2019 12:50 pm

Well,well.
Well,well.
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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat May 25, 2019 12:51 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I dont know who will win the Tory leadership, so long as we leave the EU I dont care. .
You see- this is the bit that I and many others simply don't get.
Why would you put brexit ahead of your own well-being and that of your family?
It's domestic policies that ultimately determine how happy you will be, and it seems remarkable that so many people are saying, I don't care about my living standards, quality of life etc., so long as we get our "brexit". It really has become a religion with a cult following.
It may be - though personally I cant' see it, that brexit wouldn't make the poor worse off, but even allowing that brexit turned out ok, do you actually believe that the likes of Johnson, Farage, Redwood, Rees Mogg etc. would pursue policies that would be good for Burnley and working class people in general?
Do you ever consider what policies they have for the NHS, (e.g. Farage - privatise), education, services, regional development, jobs etc.?
People are currently so obsessed with brexit and division that many are losing sight of the bigger picture.
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Post by IanMcL » Sat May 25, 2019 12:56 pm

Top Claret wrote:Ffs Rory Stewart as PM. Just watched this guy doing an interview he has zero charisma, looks a cross between Mr Zippy and a vicar.
I might vote for Boris but never Stewart who looks weak and is unelectable
He has an old man's head on a boy's body!

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Post by Spijed » Sat May 25, 2019 12:59 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:You see- this is the bit that I and many others simply don't get.
Why would you put brexit ahead of your own well-being and that of your family?
It's domestic policies that ultimately determine how happy you will be, and it seems remarkable that so many people are saying, I don't care about my living standards, quality of life etc., so long as we get our "brexit". It really has become a religion with a cult following.
It may be - though personally I cant' see it, that brexit wouldn't make the poor worse off, but even allowing that brexit turned out ok, do you actually believe that the likes of Johnson, Farage, Redwood, Rees Mogg etc. would pursue policies that would be good for Burnley and working class people in general?
Do you ever consider what policies they have for the NHS, (e.g. Farage - privatise), education, services, regional development, jobs etc.?
People are currently so obsessed with brexit and division that many are losing sight of the bigger picture.
I don't get it either. It's as though we've been living miserable lives for the last few decades and that by being freed from the EU we'll have untold prosperity that we've never had before!
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Post by taio » Sat May 25, 2019 1:01 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:You see- this is the bit that I and many others simply don't get.
Why would you put brexit ahead of your own well-being and that of your family?
It's domestic policies that ultimately determine how happy you will be, and it seems remarkable that so many people are saying, I don't care about my living standards, quality of life etc., so long as we get our "brexit". It really has become a religion with a cult following.
It may be - though personally I cant' see it, that brexit wouldn't make the poor worse off, but even allowing that brexit turned out ok, do you actually believe that the likes of Johnson, Farage, Redwood, Rees Mogg etc. would pursue policies that would be good for Burnley and working class people in general?
Do you ever consider what policies they have for the NHS, (e.g. Farage - privatise), education, services, regional development, jobs etc.?
People are currently so obsessed with brexit and division that many are losing sight of the bigger picture.
One of the most pressing domestic policy issues right now is the future of social care. Rees-Mogg spoke recently on the subject and supported extending the welfare state and funding through general taxation. That would be good for the people of Burnley like it would in towns and cities across the country.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat May 25, 2019 1:02 pm

Right_winger wrote:It has to be a brexiteer plain and simple. If it’s a remoaner or someone like Give then that’s the end of the Tory party.

Boris is probably the one they should pick but who knows.
But that's a totally contradictory post.
It's already clear that if Johnson were elected by that small group of voting party members then the party would splinter down the middle.
This - in fairness to May - is the reason she's stayed in post for so long, because they know that the Tory Party is now - in reality 2 parties with totally different ideologies.
Traditional mainstream "one nation" Tories, who make up the bulk of their MPS with an ethos that could capture enough "centre ground" votes to get into power, or the UKip element (as exemplified by the likes of Francois, Jenkins, Jenkin, Baker etc. ) which is abhorrent to a large proportion of traditional Tory voters and represents a minority view in the country as a whole.
If you don't believe me. Maybe listen to Rory Stewart this morning, and he's not alone at the very top of the Tory Party.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat May 25, 2019 1:09 pm

taio wrote:One of the most pressing domestic policy issues right now is the future of social care. Rees-Mogg spoke recently on the subject and supported extending the welfare state and funding through general taxation. That would be good for the people of Burnley like it would in towns and cities across the country.
Yes. This is the same JRM who wants tax cuts for higher earners, and described £4 billion worth of cuts as not going anywhere near far enough.
Something doesn't add up. Maybe you choose to disregard his voting records:
How Jacob Rees-Mogg voted on Welfare and Benefits
Consistently voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Show votes
17 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 absence, between 2012–2018
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices Show votes
0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability Show votes
0 votes for, 14 votes against, 1 absence, between 2011–2016
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support Show votes
4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012
Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits Show votes
52 votes for, 0 votes against, 2 absences, between 2012–2016
etc. etc.
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