After 3 years you still dont know why?Lancasterclaret wrote:Why?
Get more angry.Juxtaposition wrote:Why the **** do you people seem to think that if you're criticised for saying something it means you're not allowed to say it? It honestly makes you look like ******* babies crying because someone criticised you. Grow the **** up and stop coming out with this dumb horseshit.
Or sod off to your safe space where criticism isn't allowed.
Damo wrote:With what has gone on lately, I think Boris is the only man who could unite the country again.
And now the act of sharing ones opinion implies that I believe i'm the only one with an opinion. You people will say and make up anything to try and stop the rest of us demonstrating just how stupid your opinions are, won't you?Damo wrote:Calm down Charlie. You are not the only person on this message board with an opinion
I'm not going to answer you until I'm convinced you have calmed downJuxtaposition wrote:And now the act of sharing ones opinion implies that I believe i'm the only one with an opinion. You people will say and make up anything to try and stop the rest of us demonstrating just how stupid your opinions are, won't you?
I'm half expecting you to tell me again how i oppose freedom of speech, this time because I criticised an idiot for saying dumb things.
Incidentally, why do you like to accuse me of opposing free speech?
This is a new way of avoiding answering questions. Usually you just ignore them, but now you're pretending to think I am not calm in an effort to discredit my opinions without actually engaging in them.Damo wrote:I'm not going to answer you until I'm convinced you have calmed down
Juxtaposition wrote:
Why the **** do you people seem to think that if you're criticised for saying something it means you're not allowed to say it? It honestly makes you look like ******* babies crying because someone criticised you. Grow the **** up and stop coming out with this dumb horseshit.
Or sod off to your safe space where criticism isn't allowed.
I never thought I would be called a snowflake and sent to my Safe Space on here.Greenmile wrote:If you don’t think he’s a racist then just say so, and explain why you think that in the face of the evidence of all the racist things he’s said.
Why bang on about whether or not he’s allowed an opinion like he’s being denied the right to express all the opinions quoted by nil d above? (many of which come from national publications) It just makes you look like a snowflake without an actual argument beyond “Waaaah. The nasty left wingers are calling Boris names. It’s not fair”
Can I suggest you Have a nice cup of tea...Chocolate Biscuit and Enjoy the Day.Juxtaposition wrote:This is a new way of avoiding answering questions. Usually you just ignore them, but now you're pretending to think I am not calm in an effort to discredit my opinions without actually engaging in them.
I'll consider this yet another question evaded.
It's kinda funny how you go around accusing others of opposing free speech when you regularly censor yourself when faced with questions you can't answer.
Can't quite decide whether you're fishing there or not.Damo wrote:With what has gone on lately, I think Boris is the only man who could unite the country again.
Raab will have changed his mind by October. The situation is crying out for Chris Grayling.Right_winger wrote:Steve Baker would be just Dandy, failing that Raab or Patel have the best views and should steer us nicely to No Deal.
So, same old discredited arguments then.Colburn_Claret wrote:After 3 years you still dont know why?
Without the sovereignty to make whatever decisions we think are good for us, we can never be great. If the EU has to rubber stamp our domestic policies, our foreign policies, our trade agreements, our labour laws, our economic direction.......They do what they think is right for the 28, we need to do what is right for the 1, and the two arent always the same.
Why would he just wind the ‘lefties’ up? What about the millions of people who aren’t ‘Lefties’ and don’t vote Conservative?AlargeClaret wrote:Hopefully BoJo just to wind the lefties up. Though surely another huge stitch up awaits “ stop Boris” will be bandied about like confetti, and a good lay at the odds. .It’s thus far a very pro Brexit field. Raab is a decent shout but a leaver , who may just have enough about him to save the Tories from a truly poor labour .Long as they keep the rancid Patel and Gove out and that “ Tory Boy” one , Rory somat? Javid is also hopeless , Mcvey has no chance as does Leadstrom
That’s the problem, most Tory voters want out of the EU and are happy with no deal. So it’s a remainer who will gather the support of the remain side but their support base will crumble, or a hard brexiteer who will have problems with the anti democratic remain MPs in parliament.Lancasterclaret wrote:The Conservatives have a real chance to reboot themselves and seize back some sort of legitimacy.
If it's Johnson, then that's absolutely pie in the sky wishful thinking
Call me weird, but the competence level of that coalition wouldn't be highDamo wrote:My prediction is Boris for PM and a conservative/Brexit party coalition after the next GE.
I know some of the far left won't like the thought of that, but we need a government with a strong direction to lead us through the turbulence of leaving the EU without a deal
And forever lose any democratic legitimacy?Right_winger wrote:That’s the problem, most Tory voters want out of the EU and are happy with no deal. So it’s a remainer who will gather the support of the remain side but their support base will crumble, or a hard brexiteer who will have problems with the anti democratic remain MPs in parliament.
I’d laugh my tits off if it’s a hard brexiteer who prorougues parliament therefore not allowing the anti-democratic self serving europhiles a chance to scupper no deal.
The people have made the democratic choice not the self serving MPs. The Parliament has been looking to overturn/block Brexit at every opportunity, they are so brazen now that they don’t hide it anymore.Lancasterclaret wrote:And forever lose any democratic legitimacy?
No wonder you are a Brexit Party backer
Hahahhahaha!Right_winger wrote:The people have made the democratic choice not the self serving MPs. The Parliament has been looking to overturn/block Brexit at every opportunity, they are so brazen now that they don’t hide it anymore.
If Brexit is actually scuppered then Farage will be the next PM so it’s not all bad.
Christ, you are getting as bad as those lads with their half and half football scarves!Damo wrote:In other news, I've just joined the lib dems for £1 and I intend to vote Tim Farron as their next leader
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Probably more like third and third and third football scarves after paying £3 to help elect CorbynLancasterclaret wrote:Christ, you are getting as bad as those lads with their half and half football scarves!
Post of the day here, absolute quality. Gonna take some level of idiocy to top this so good work sirRight_winger wrote:The people have made the democratic choice not the self serving MPs. The Parliament has been looking to overturn/block Brexit at every opportunity, they are so brazen now that they don’t hide it anymore.
If Brexit is actually scuppered then Farage will be the next PM so it’s not all bad.
You'll have your own demographic in the opinion polls at this rateDamo wrote:Probably more like third and third and third football scarves after paying £3 to help elect Corbyn
Damo finally learns the word “some” but uses it incorrectly on his first try.Damo wrote:My prediction is Boris for PM and a conservative/Brexit party coalition after the next GE.
I know some of the far left won't like the thought of that, but we need a government with a strong direction to lead us through the turbulence of leaving the EU without a deal
Yeah, I should of said "all" going off your retortGreenmile wrote:Damo finally learns the word “some” but uses it incorrectly on his first try.
Keep practicing.
Haven't you just now ruled them all outAlargeClaret wrote:Hopefully BoJo just to wind the lefties up. Though surely another huge stitch up awaits “ stop Boris” will be bandied about like confetti, and a good lay at the odds. .It’s thus far a very pro Brexit field. Raab is a decent shout but a leaver , who may just have enough about him to save the Tories from a truly poor labour .Long as they keep the rancid Patel and Gove out and that “ Tory Boy” one , Rory somat? Javid is also hopeless , Mcvey has no chance as does Leadstrom
YES!........But besides that, what makes you think he's a Racist?nil_desperandum wrote:Just in case you are still confused as to why Spijed might have thought Johnson was more than a bit racist, here's a bit of supporting evidence:
In his 2002 column in the Spectator, Boris penned an article titled: “Africa is a mess, but we can’t blame colonialism”.
In the piece, Boris described the continent as a “blot” and suggested that it would be better off if it was colonised again, writing: “The problem is not that we were once in charge, but that we are not in charge any more…the best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty.”
In 2002, in a column in the Telegraph, he described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.
In his column in the Telegraph in 2006. described Papua New Guineans as prone to “cannibalism” and “chief-killing”
In 2008, under his editorship at the Spectator, he allowed a piece to be printed that claimed black people have lower IQs, . “Orientals…have larger brains and higher IQ scores,” the piece read. “Blacks are at the other pole.”
In 2013, Boris suggested that the increase in Malaysian women going to university was down to the fact that they have “got to find men to marry”. Groans were reportedly heard from Malaysian women in the audience.
In a Tory party conference speech in 2016, Boris claimed that “the values of global Britain are needed more than ever” and that British “beliefs” are necessary to “lift the world out of poverty”.
After Barack Obama suggested that the UK should remain in the EU, Johnson said that the then-president should stay out of the conversation as he was “part-Kenyan” and had an “ancestral dislike” for the UK.
Last summer, Boris wrote in his column in the Telegraph that the burqa was “oppressive and ridiculous”, comparing Muslim women to “bank-robbers” and “letterboxes”.
And just to show that it's not just people of other races, faiths and cultures he disrespects, here are a few more comments that rather suggest he might not be quite the right sort of guy to lead a once proud nation such as ours, that was once respected and admired by the rest of the world, (or at least most of it):
In 2004, Boris was asked to apologise to Liverpudleans after writing in the Spectator that they were “wallowing” in “victim status” after the Hillsborough disaster. Boris said those who lived in the city needed to acknowledge the role played “by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground”.
In the 2005 leadership contest, bumbling BoJo said “voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3”. (Obviously a joke, but entirely inappropriate)
In his Spectator column in 2007 he blamed rising house prices on women graduates .
In the same article, he managed to wrap classism into sexism, writing: “The result is that in families on lower incomes the women have absolutely no choice but to work, often with adverse consequences for family life and society as a whole – in that unloved and undisciplined children are more likely to become hoodies, NEETS, and mug you on the street corner.”
Boris was asked to apologise after referring to Emily Thornberry using her husband’s name to ridicule her in the commons in early 2018.
Also in 2007, he described Hillary Clinton as looking like a “sadistic nurse in a mental hospital”. (Again clearly a joke, but this was about someone who might quite easily have been meeting as US President in hs time as Foreign Sec)
Of course, most of the above might well be regarded as a bit of harmless fun - assuming, that is, that you're either living in the 1970s / 80s, or a racist yourself.
I never thought about it like that.Darnhill Claret wrote:Yes Damo, just think if we were all made to wear the burqua in public, male and female, it would solve so many problems.
Yes, you could have this time. That was my point. Well done.Damo wrote:Yeah, I should of said "all" going off your retort
As soon as I know what Blue Lab and South West think, I'll edit my postGreenmile wrote:Yes, you could have this time. That was my point. Well done.
You have to tell us....or your post is meaninglessVenkys4eva wrote:I know who’s getting my vote if they reach the final two
sorry....to quote claret n Jew, Pointless!I would vote for Boris but I don’t think he will make the final two because the early front runner never does. My second choice will be Dominic Raab.tim_noone wrote:You have to tell us....or your post is meaningless
He is waiting for his boat to come in!Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Raab will have changed his mind by October. The situation is crying out for Chris Grayling.
