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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by RMutt » Mon May 27, 2019 9:44 am

Like a sucked and spat out Smmaaartie.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by tim_noone » Wed May 29, 2019 6:38 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Is Boris not allowed an opinion on anything?

Even if he his wrong?
Evidently Not.... :shock:
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by The Enclosure » Thu May 30, 2019 8:26 am

Esther Mcvey.straight talker and a bit of eye candy at Prime Ministrrs question time. Rather look at her than your Gove, Stewart or Javid.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 30, 2019 8:29 am

The Enclosure wrote:Esther Mcvey.straight talker and a bit of eye candy at Prime Ministrrs question time. Rather look at her than your Gove, Stewart or Javid.
She's the only one who has actually has to apologise to parliament for lying to them, so yes, she's perfect.

And she didn't resign either.

Even more perfect

So lying and not interested in parliamentary ethics and backs Brexit

She's perfect!
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by The Enclosure » Thu May 30, 2019 8:32 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:She's the only one who has actually has to apologise to parliament for lying to them, so yes, she's perfect.

And she didn't resign either.

Even more perfect

So lying and not interested in parliamentary ethics and backs Brexit

She's perfect!

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by The Enclosure » Thu May 30, 2019 8:33 am

We agree then :D

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 30, 2019 8:36 am

She's definitely the best looking of the candidates!

Genuinely don't know who'd be best, but no one is standing out, and as they become de facto Prime Minister, its quite important that the 120,000 Conservative members (including on here one who would happily vote for someone just to **** off remainers) get it right.

Put it one way, I'd have more faith in Brian Laws.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by TVC15 » Thu May 30, 2019 8:48 am

I reckon Esther has a few skeletons lurking after hearing her interview in BBC breakfast.
She’s known that dodgy looking would be Casanova Charlie Slate for 20 years for a start !
She’s not exactly got much competition in the looks front with the likes of Boris and Gove

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu May 30, 2019 10:35 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:27 am

Mystic McCartney says-

Next Tory Leader.

Penny Mordaunt.

Let's see if my crystal balls were working back in March
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by The Enclosure » Thu May 30, 2019 11:01 am

I dont dislike Andrea Leadsome, think she is principled and did a good job as Leader of the House. I do think the female candidates would do a better job than the males who have put up so far..Although he hasn't put his hat in the ring, YET,I think Philip Hammond would make a good PM.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by tim_noone » Thu May 30, 2019 12:31 pm

The Enclosure wrote:I dont dislike Andrea Leadsome, think she is principled and did a good job as Leader of the House. I do think the female candidates would do a better job than the males who have put up so far..Although he hasn't put his hat in the ring, YET,I think Philip Hammond would make a good PM.
"Principled" As a Snake in the grass ......

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by The Enclosure » Thu May 30, 2019 1:41 pm

tim_noone wrote:"Principled" As a Snake in the grass ......
She will make a perfect PM then. :lol:

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by keith1879 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:50 pm

The thing that strikes me about Michael Gove is that (like Norman Lamont) he looks a lot like Surface Agent x20 out of Stingray. That's the most serious thing I can find to say about this bunch of rubbish and Labour are no better.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by aggi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:01 am

Been an interesting weekend. Gove with his not that surprising cocaine revelations (it seems that his old PA who knew all about it is now working for Johnson so the story was going to come out shortly so Gove pre-empted it).

Johnson is appealing to the core conservative voters by promising to have well-off people pay less tax. (If anyone is wondering why the threshold of £80k was chosen then it's probably worth noting that a backbench MP earns £79,468.)

Rory Stewart still seems to be presenting himself pretty well. It will be interesting to see if Johnson takes up his debate offer, I would suspect not as Stewart's views seems a lot more cohesive than Johnson's.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Hendrickxz » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:08 am

Philip Hammond????? The one they call Eeyore because he is som bleedin glum and down in the mouth?
Mind you, you might be right, he's probably get along fine with all those sulky French buggers he's have to deal with.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:15 am

I keep hearing names of people who will completely ruin the country. We're knackered, aren't we. Let's be fair here. We're screwed.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Caballo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 am

Baffled by the idea of a TV debate.
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by dsr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:37 am

The worst bit of the Gove cocaine thing is that he claims he can't recollect a cocaine party at his home. How much drug abuse was going on that he can't remember? Not necessarily that he addled his mind with it; more that there was so much cocaine abuse going on that it was normal. So normal that he can't remember when and where it happened.

There may be people on here who have had drugs parties at home; there will be people who have not. But I can't believe there are many who don't know whether they have or haven't.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:50 am

At the risk of being called a virtue-signaller by Damo, I trust all those people who accuse lefty election candidates of bribing voters with policies intended to help poor people are out in force today accusing BoJo of that exact same thing with his promise to cut taxes for the middle class and rich people.
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:51 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Let's see if my crystal balls were working back in March
Yep wrong again so must be working fine

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:09 pm

Can't see how Gove can continue.

Javid and Stewart polling well, but is it going to be enough to stop Johnston (who remains mystifyingly popular?)

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by tarkys_ears » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Can't see how Gove can continue.

Javid and Stewart polling well, but is it going to be enough to stop Johnston (who remains mystifyingly popular?)
I've noticed nearly everyone is very selective and careful of criticism of him.... Don't want those skeletons coming out of the closed, do they!

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:36 pm

£10 on McVey @ 175 to 1
Women is perfect leadership material, scouser, nearly a northern MP, would switch off a life support machine to charge her phone.

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:36 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:I've noticed nearly everyone is very selective and careful of criticism of him.... Don't want those skeletons coming out of the closed, do they!
Would anyone else have been allowed to get away with using the term "Piccaninny" which is the equivalent of calling a black man a "Negro"?

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:38 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:I've noticed nearly everyone is very selective and careful of criticism of him.... Don't want those skeletons coming out of the closed, do they!
If the lass that most on here appear to fancy hasn't been spit roasted whilst smacked off her tits on everything going I wouldn't be surprised.

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Post by scouseclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:50 pm

brexit wrote:£10 on McVey @ 175 to 1
Women is perfect leadership material, scouser, nearly a northern MP, would switch off a life support machine to charge her phone.
I had Esther McVey on my doorstep once ;)

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:03 pm

scouseclaret wrote:I had Esther McVey on my doorstep once ;)
I am eager for the next part of this

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Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:13 pm

McVey pledging a public-sector pay rise,and increased spending on police and education,has she had a personality transplant,this can't be the same Esther McVey.

And where's the money coming from,in the event of any brexit most forecasts are for GDP to decrease,and a possible economic downturn,if not a recession.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:14 pm

tiger76 wrote:McVey pledging a public-sector pay rise,and increased spending on police and education,has she had a personality transplant,this can't be the same Esther McVey.

And where's the money coming from,in the event of any brexit most forecasts are for GDP to decrease,and a possible economic downturn,if not a recession.
She's lying. She's got previous.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by aggi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:58 pm

I don't know what message McVey is trying to give here
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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:She's lying. She's got previous.
They're all making lavish promises apart from Rory Stewart,but the ones from Johnson and Gove are the the most bizarre,the IFS isn't buying the bribes anyway.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies' Carl Emmerson says the leadership candidates "seem to be talking about giveaways".

He describes Michael Gove's proposals to replace VAT with a sales tax as "a big risk", adding: "It almost certainly wouldn't raise as much money as current VAT."

He says Boris Johnson's plan to cut income tax would be "nice if you can afford it", but asks: "Can we afford it?

"The question is, are you comfortable with more borrowing, or is it someone else's taxes going up, or is there some spending that will be cut?" he says.

"That is what we're not hearing about."

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Post by aggi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Johnson has done well to get everyone to forget about him taking cocaine https://www.standard.co.uk/news/boris-j ... 78599.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not sure who's running his campaign but they're doing a good job of keeping him and the press under control.

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:48 pm

Keep him away from the media because he’ll make a tit of himself and let the others implode by themselves. Some strategy.

We really are the lucky ones.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:48 pm

aggi wrote:I don't know what message McVey is trying to give here
Mcvey.jpg
Crying out to be photoshopped with Maggie being replaced by absolutely anything and it would be funny.

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Post by scouseclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:53 pm

brexit wrote:I am eager for the next part of this
Sorry to disappoint your Brexiteer fantasies, but she was just canvassing for the local elections! Proud to say I helped her lose her seat last time out...
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Post by If it be your will » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:11 am

aggi wrote:Johnson has done well to get everyone to forget about him taking cocaine https://www.standard.co.uk/news/boris-j ... 78599.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not sure who's running his campaign but they're doing a good job of keeping him and the press under control.
I'm of the opposite view, and can't understand why he's not highlighting it. The way this campaign is going I'm half expecting Esther McVey enhancing her prospects by dosing up on crystal meth live on BBC Breakfast, or for Raab to fire back that he was completely of his t*** on mushrooms throughout his tenure as Brexit secretary.

They've got some catching up to do to get anywhere near Rory Stewart's "Yeah, I totally smoked opium out there in Iran, man", after all.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Blackrod » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:06 am

Esther McVey might look ok but she doesn’t sound very bright to me. Really not a good choice neither is Gove who appears to be a it of a snake imo.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:10 am

I'm going for Javid

Only because people lose their **** that Sadiq Khan is Mayor of London, and they will go absolutely mental if Javid becomes PM.

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Post by Spijed » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:11 am

The next votes are on Thursday and it wouldn't be a surprise to see only 2 or 3 candidates left.

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Post by fatboy47 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:33 am

Esther for me all day long.

Never looked at this in a sexist way...more than happy with a bird at the helm..

Too many utter munters in British politics..Esther would be a breath of fresh air...nice mover too.

Harriet Harman was a bit of a looker back in the day...lost it now though..face like a robber's dog.

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Post by aggi » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:37 am

Out of the lot of them I'd like it to be Rory Stewart. For a typical Tory he seems to have had a bit more life experience and has been involved at the (very) sharp end of politics. (I was expecting a few stories of people coming out saying he'd been exaggerating his roles, Leadsom style, but that doesn't seem to be the case.)

Add to that, he appears to have some actual plans rather than the current "you can have a tax break and we're definitely leaving in October" that others are saying.

I'm sure it won't be though.

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Post by TVC15 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:47 am

fatboy47 wrote:Esther for me all day long.

Never looked at this in a sexist way...more than happy with a bird at the helm..

Too many utter munters in British politics..Esther would be a breath of fresh air...nice mover too.

Harriet Harman was a bit of a looker back in the day...lost it now though..face like a robber's dog.
That’s a very naughty post fatboy !

Personally I can’t stand the woman and she is massively lacking any substance in anything she says - if she thinks she can win this based on being the “least ugly” out of that bunch she is mistaken....in the likes of Gove, Johnson, Rory et al they would make great extras for the next Shaun of the Dead movie !
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Post by Blackrod » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:52 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm going for Javid

Only because people lose their **** that Sadiq Khan is Mayor of London, and they will go absolutely mental if Javid becomes PM.
Javid is fine Khan is not imo.

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Post by BurnleyPaul » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:59 am

I don’t have a horse in the race (as I’m not a member of the Conservative Party) but it’s obvious right now that (1) there cannot be a coronation- it has to be a genuine competition with the members getting the final say, (2) Boris HAS to be one of the final two- or else the members will never get past what they will view as a betrayal by the MPs, (3) the next leader has to be a “proper” Brexiteer (whatever the hell that is!) so that no type of “stabbed in the back” myth can take hold after this almighty clusterfcuk is over.

Like I said; Boris has to be one of the final two. As for the other....who knows.

Hunt is the “continuity candidate”. He’ll be eviscerated in a general election.
Javid has a good backstory, his ethnicity is a political Godsend for the Conservatives.
Gove is a great thinker, capable of pushing his agenda through against the civil service.
Stewart is a left field choice; the Tory that non-Tories could vote for. Would pick up non aligned voters
Raab is the hardliners choice, possibly the candidate that will go “full-Paisley” (No Surrender!)
McVey is too divisive but a northern working-class female Tory certainly has some value.
Leadsom has been a reasonably capable leader of the house but doesn’t have the depth required.
Harper is pretty much untainted by the last few years but doesn’t have the weight or gravitas.
Hancock has helped to defuse the NHS as Labour weapon (not wholly successful though) which shows some talent but is too “remainy” for the membership.

Gut instinct is that Boris wins and becomes a ‘chairman’ rather than ‘chief executive’ type PM. He’d likely promote the next generation of MPs to the top jobs (Stewart, Cleverly, Raab etc) and edge out the current batch of tainted and unpopular MPs (Hunt, Gove, et al).

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by aggi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:14 pm

Esther McVey impressing with her knowledge of geography. https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1138748219826028547?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a truly poor pool of candidates.

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Post by aggi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:19 pm

And Boris Johnson revealing the real reason why he's pushing for Brexit

Boris Johnson: “After three years and two missed deadlines, we must leave the EU on October 31.

“I am not aiming for a No Deal outcome... but it is only responsible that we prepare for it.

“Delay means defeat, delay means Corbyn....”


Not out of concern for the country, just concern for the party.

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Post by dsr » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:55 pm

To be fair, a lot of people think that Corbyn PM would be bad for the country as well as for the Tory party.

My own view is that Corbyn PM, while bad for the country, would very probably lead to a massive rise in Tory party fortunes at the following election. But who knows.

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Re: The next Tory Leader..

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:57 pm

I think the upcoming Johnson v Corbyn general election will be the ultimate in Hobsons Choice.

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Post by dsr » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think the upcoming Johnson v Corbyn general election will be the ultimate in Hobsons Choice.
I think "Morton's Fork" is perhaps the term you're looking for. "Hobson's Choice" suggests that one of the options is at least slightly worth having.

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Post by AndrewJB » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:17 pm

Tax cuts for the better off and more austerity: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... unding-gap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or decently funded public services, rail, water, and power taken control of, and climate change taken more seriously - paid for through higher taxes on the rich.

For most people I don't think the choice has been more stark for a long time.
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