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Re: European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 12:36 am

thatdberight wrote:The question you quoted and posed was; "... Will the UK be sending any more clear Leave MEPs to the European Parliament than it did in 2014?"

Yes. It will. It's really clear.

Obviously there were no "Revoke A50" MEPs in 2014. It rather supports that it's a pointless question which is looking at things through yesterday's viewpoint.
Its not though is it?

You can't ignore that a lot of eurosceptic Conservative MPs have lost their seats to pro-remain Lib Dems or Greens.

I mean, you can, but it makes no sense.

The point being made is that Farage has done slightly better than UKIP did in 2014.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 12:37 am

Anyway, 2 LDs and a Green for the NW.

And on that note, its time for some sleep.

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Post by dsr » Mon May 27, 2019 12:40 am

Stephen Kinnock has had the face to say that the jobs in British Steel in his constituency are dependent on frictionless trade with the EU. Has he no idea what is happening? British Steel jobs are dependent on something much more immediate than that. :roll:
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 12:41 am

Watching the BBC!!


Huw. You're looking and sounding more desperate than Lancaster claret and Marty combined. If that were possible!


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Post by tiger76 » Mon May 27, 2019 12:42 am

Brexit Party topping the poll in Theresa's seat,these are strange times,Windsor and Maidenhead was about 2/3rds remain from memory.

More worrying for Theresa's successor if she was to stand down is the strong Lib Dem showing over 30%.

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Post by If it be your will » Mon May 27, 2019 12:44 am

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 12:44 am

dsr wrote:Stephen Kinnock has had the face to say that the jobs in British Steel in his constituency are dependent on frictionless trade with the EU. Has he no idea what is happening? British Steel jobs are dependent on something much more immediate than that. :roll:
And bail out, which is forbidden under EU law!?



Not if you listen to the message board Remoaners.



However , this is what the advice the government received from its legal advisors:

I'm now quoting directly from the actual letter sent to the government from its legal advisors.

"We cannot demonstrate the necessary commerciality required by State Aid Law to provide such support"

In other words , perhaps "simplistic", The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"There is no evidence that any earlier funding options involving government would have been lawful either"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"We do not believe there is currently any level of investment government could make ( above the State Aid de minis of €200000 that could be deemed commercial and so legal"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It was not possible to fund a traditional loan financing that would be deemed to be successfully commercial to meet the State Aid commerciality threshold"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"



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It proves my "simplistic" point to be accurate and correct and concurs with what Dr Ruth Bender, Associate Professor of Corporate Financial Strategy, said when she was interviewed on Radio 5 Live Breakfast show on 31st March.

"Do EU rules prevent state aid to save British Steel?

"Unfortunately, yes."

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Re: European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 27, 2019 12:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
And on that note, its time for some sleep.
Aye you could do with it. It's been a very busy night for you.

Take Bordeaux with you, he's been hysterical about the political powerhouse that is Tommy Robinson tonight and deserves some rest.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 12:51 am

Caroline lucas, the high priestess of delusion, claiming, " there's no mandate for a hard Brexit"

On the back of a party , 6 WEEKS OLD , winning the national vote!

You simply could not make this hysterical garbage up

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Post by dsr » Mon May 27, 2019 1:02 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:And bail out, which is forbidden under EU law!?
There are ways round this subsidy ban. I suspect that in view of the competition from China-subsidised steel, and the size of the industry, they would be able to get the EU to agree to (or to fail to enforce punishment for) a subsidy.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 am

dsr wrote:There are ways round this subsidy ban. I suspect that in view of the competition from China-subsidised steel, and the size of the industry, they would be able to get the EU to agree to (or to fail to enforce punishment for) a subsidy.
Taken from the legal advice the government received when they've tried to save British Steel. But have been blocked by EU law.


"We cannot demonstrate the necessary commerciality required by State Aid Law to provide such support"

"There is no evidence that any earlier funding options involving government would have been lawful either"

"It would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan"


"We do not believe there is currently any level of investment government could make ( above the State Aid de minis of €200000 that could be deemed commercial and so legal"

It was not possible to fund a traditional loan financing that would be deemed to be successfully commercial to meet the State Aid commerciality threshold"

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Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 27, 2019 1:17 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Aye you could do with it. It's been a very busy night for you.

Take Bordeaux with you, he's been hysterical about the political powerhouse that is Tommy Robinson tonight and deserves some rest.
Dry your eyes, mate, our Tommy can try again next time. If he can crowd fund the deposit that it.

I seem to recall you using your favourite catchphrase 'sandal wearers' for anybody who dared to criticise on the thread about him the other day, which says a lot about you as a person.

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Re: European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

Post by Clarets4me » Mon May 27, 2019 1:17 am

The Results are in, for the Burnley counting area ......

Brexit Party 8,282 ( 39.4% )
Labour 5,396 ( 25.6% )
Lib/Dems 2,046 ( 9.7% )
Green 1,725 ( 8.2% )
Conservative 983 ( 4.7% )
Tommy Robinson 922 ( 4.4% )
UKEU Party 657 ( 3.1% )
U.K.I.P. 521 ( 2.5%)
Change UK 343 ( 1.6% )
Eng.Dem 146 ( 0.7% )
Mohammed Asla 20 ( 0.1% )

Total valid votes cast were 21,041, with 131 rejected votes, and the turnout was 33.03% .....
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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 27, 2019 1:31 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Dry your eyes, mate, our Tommy can try again next time. If he can crowd fund the deposit that it.

I seem to recall you using your favourite catchphrase 'sandal wearers' for anybody who dared to criticise on the thread about him the other day, which says a lot about you as a person.
I'm all for having a new username stalker, but only if they wear the correct lenses.

It's no good wandering on here and pretending to see things.

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Post by aggi » Mon May 27, 2019 1:32 am

Interesting to see that the remain parties have received about three quarters of a million more votes than the leave parties so far. I was expecting it to be the other way.

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Post by thatdberight » Mon May 27, 2019 1:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: You can't ignore that a lot of eurosceptic Conservative MPs have lost their seats to pro-remain Lib Dems or Greens.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -in-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That says 5 declared for Leave. Of the 4 who were at that stage undecided, van Ordern certainly opted for Remain. Foster I can't find but she's certainly very much against a hard Brexit. Kamal was definitely a Leaver and Deva stayed neutral apparently (!)
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/ar ... ership-now" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, it might be 24 UKIP + 7 Conservatives in 2014 - although I'm not sure those 7 really meet the criterion in Neill's question.

Still, tonight we have 28 Brexit + 3 Conservative (definitely Brexit-supporting now) plus looks like 1 from Scotland. By any measure, I'd say (while still dismissing his question as irrelevant) that, yes, we have returned "more clear Leave MEPs".

I'm ignoring Labour because I genuinely don't think they have a position. In 2014, I think it's fair to say that party was against leaving the EU so it can only understate any swing to 'Leave' among the MEPs.

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Post by elwaclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 1:37 am

For those attempting to spin these results.... don’ t forget many leave voters have never voted in eu elections on principle, going back to when we first took part in EU Elections. Also there will be those who feel it was pointless... for what it’s worth I’m one... had it not been for this brexit **** I would have voted green.. go figure
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Post by thatdberight » Mon May 27, 2019 1:37 am

aggi wrote:Interesting to see that the remain parties have received about three quarters of a million more votes than the leave parties so far. I was expecting it to be the other way.
That depends on how you define 'Remain' and 'Leave' parties, to be fair.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 1:39 am

elwaclaret wrote:For those attempting to spin these results.... don’ t forget many leave voters have never voted in eu elections on principle, going back to when we first took part in EU Elections. Also there will be those who feel it was pointless... for what it’s worth I’m one... had it not been for this brexit **** I would have voted green.. go figure
I've figured.



You're a Democrat.



Fair play to you.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 1:40 am

aggi wrote:Interesting to see that the remain parties have received about three quarters of a million more votes than the leave parties so far. I was expecting it to be the other way.

Despite your predictable wriggling and swerving of answering a straight forward question. The following quotes prove I was right and you were , yet again, wrong.

Goal posts? A clear thrashing for aggi!

This is what I said.


"2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions. 

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions. 

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Like the old Real Labour MPs always said, "the EU is a bankers club."

I'm now quoting directly from the actual letter sent to the government from its legal advisors.

"We cannot demonstrate the necessary commerciality required by State Aid Law to provide such support"

In other words , perhaps "simplistic", The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"There is no evidence that any earlier funding options involving government would have been lawful either"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"We do not believe there is currently any level of investment government could make ( above the State Aid de minis of €200000 that could be deemed commercial and so legal"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

It was not possible to fund a traditional loan financing that would be deemed to be successfully commercial to meet the State Aid commerciality threshold"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"



https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonClarkeM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 1516826626

It proves my "simplistic" point to be accurate and correct and concurs with what Dr Ruth Bender, Associate Professor of Corporate Financial Strategy, said when she was interviewed on Radio 5 Live Breakfast show on 31st March.

"Do EU rules prevent state aid to save British Steel?

"Unfortunately, yes."

"OUTRIGHT LIE" YOU SAID!

UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO ARGUE WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN LEGAL TEAM. I'D CALL IT AN "OUTRIGHT VICTORY" FOR ME AGGI. UNLESS YOU CAN POINT TO WHERE I WAS "OUTRIGHT LYING "
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Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 27, 2019 1:47 am

Why are you repeating, verbatim, your previous post, complete with a link to a Twitter account that doesn't work? Debate like a normal person. Any good point you may have just gets lost in repetitive prose and awful formatting. Correct the link at least.
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Post by aggi » Mon May 27, 2019 1:49 am

thatdberight wrote:That depends on how you define 'Remain' and 'Leave' parties, to be fair.
Brexit party and ukip are leave.

Lib Dems, greens, snp, change UK and plaid cymru are remain.

Labour and conservative are neutral (labour probably more pro-remain, conservative more pro-leave but if you had a strong view you wouldn't vote for either of them)

Given their announcements and campaigning the stances seem pretty clear.

(And whatever Ringo is posting I'll read it at some point but it appeared that he's still just banging on about stuff where everyone else acknowledges he's wrong).

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 1:52 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Why are you repeating, verbatim, your previous post, complete with a link to a Twitter account that doesn't work? Debate like a normal person. Any good point you may have just gets lost in repetitive prose and awful formatting. Correct the link at least.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonClarkeM ... 1516826626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 1:54 am

aggi wrote:Brexit party and ukip are leave.

Lib Dems, greens, snp, change UK and plaid cymru are remain.

Labour and conservative are neutral (labour probably more pro-remain, conservative more pro-leave but if you had a strong view you wouldn't vote for either of them)

Given their announcements and campaigning the stances seem pretty clear.

(And whatever Ringo is posting I'll read it at some point but it appeared that he's still just banging on about stuff where everyone else acknowledges he's wrong).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

48% desperate

52% pathetic!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by aggi » Mon May 27, 2019 1:55 am

Also interesting that even though this was viewed as a big election in the UK the turnout was still down on the rest of Europe.
Maybe we should just bugger off and leave them to it

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Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 am

Probably worth reading the very first reply to that tweet by a qualified lawyer who spent five years specialising in European Competition Law (and the thread she's posted), but hey, who needs experts?

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 2:02 am

aggi wrote:Also interesting that even though this was viewed as a big election in the UK the turnout was still down on the rest of Europe.
Maybe we should just bugger off and leave them to it

I know I've annihilated you.


And the best bit is.



You know it! ;)


You'll never admit it in a month of Sundays! I wouldn't expect it from a mutton headed remoaner, with a conveniently poor memory!

Nevertheless, you know, as I know, there's only one winner, my metropolitan bubble dwelling, democracy denying, never knowing Real People chum.





Me.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Probably worth reading the very first reply to that tweet by a qualified lawyer who spent five years specialising in European Competition Law (and the thread she's posted), but hey, who needs experts?
Clearly you.!
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Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 27, 2019 2:05 am

You’ve got some comedy chops i’ll give you that.

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Post by Spijed » Mon May 27, 2019 6:19 am

One thing is clear is that we are about to see the break up of the UK with Scotland voting overwhelmingly against Brexit on the evidence of last nights results.

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Post by AndyClaret » Mon May 27, 2019 6:31 am

AndyClaret wrote:Brexit party on for around 30 seats is my prediction.
I wasn't far out, they are on for 29 seats.

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 6:37 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Aye you could do with it. It's been a very busy night for you.

Take Bordeaux with you, he's been hysterical about the political powerhouse that is Tommy Robinson tonight and deserves some rest.
Somebody hasn’t taken Little Tommy’s battering well.
Chin up my man.

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon May 27, 2019 6:56 am

A resounding victory for Remain...

Anti-Brexit parties gaining a 40.4% share of the vote with Pro-Brexit managing only a 34.9% share.

Will be good to see that translate into a win in the second referendum.
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Post by AndyClaret » Mon May 27, 2019 7:55 am

Brexit party joint largest party in the EU parliament.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon May 27, 2019 8:02 am

So looking at the results was there any need to be scared or obsessed by a clown like Robinson who stood no chance of being elected ?

Has it been announced yet if there will still be planes in the sky and will we have electricity in the coming months ?

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 8:08 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Aye you could do with it. It's been a very busy night for you.

Take Bordeaux with you, he's been hysterical about the political powerhouse that is Tommy Robinson tonight and deserves some rest.
I had a great nights sleep, secure in the knowledge that those who want the hardest Brexit haven't got anywhere near the numbers they need, and in the best chance they are ever going to have of getting a mandate for it.

Reckon this post will upgrade me back up to "Venomous sandal wearer"
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Post by Bfcboyo » Mon May 27, 2019 8:11 am

Quite a telling picture isn't it.
Quite a telling picture isn't it.
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Bring on the the No Deal and let's get building a Britain we are allowed to have pride for again.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 27, 2019 8:12 am

thatdberight wrote:That depends on how you define 'Remain' and 'Leave' parties, to be fair.
I think you do it on the basis of what they campaigned on???
(And as I pointed out very early in this thread Labour's executive position has swung strongly in favour of a Confirmatory Vote recently (even Corbyn), so the total now backing remain and / or a People's Vote is about 55%. This seems to mirror recent opinion polls that have remain on 55%)
The strongest message here BTW is for Labour, whose members are overwhelmingly anti-brexit and whose "supporters" are anti-brexit (according to polls) by approx 3 to 1.
For all the spin Farage puts on it about his party being only 6 weeks old, the BP vote is effectively UKip (in a new guise) + a relatively small swing from other parties, mainly ERG type Tories.
The other story that the country and Conservatives in particular should be concerned about, is that both Scotland and Wales have sent out a strong message, and - even before their votes come in - one can predict that there will be a good remain majority in NI.
Mr Cameron - what a mess you've made.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 8:13 am

elwaclaret wrote:For those attempting to spin these results.... don’ t forget many leave voters have never voted in eu elections on principle, going back to when we first took part in EU Elections. Also there will be those who feel it was pointless... for what it’s worth I’m one... had it not been for this brexit **** I would have voted green.. go figure
Fair enough, but Ringo is spinning these faster than a Chinese plate spinner on acid.

Its a sight to see

But the highlight is him having a go at Dsr over the British steel thing.

He just won't accept that its not as simple as he wants to make it.

Crikey, who saw that one coming?!?

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Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 27, 2019 8:16 am

Bfcboyo wrote:
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Bring on the the No Deal and let's get building a Britain we are allowed to have pride for again.
If there's one thing that these elections does reinforce it's that "no deal" is only supported by approx 1/3rd of those who actually voted, so Parliament has been correct to reject it.
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Re: European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon May 27, 2019 8:22 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:A resounding victory for Remain...

Anti-Brexit parties gaining a 40.4% share of the vote with Pro-Brexit managing only a 34.9% share.

Will be good to see that translate into a win in the second referendum.

Delusional

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Post by Bfcboyo » Mon May 27, 2019 8:23 am

nil_desperandum wrote:If there's one thing that these elections does reinforce it's that "no deal" is only supported by approx 1/3rd of those who actually voted, so Parliament has been correct to reject it.
Only 1/3 we will see this rise as a 2nd referendum is pushed? I think most supporters of leave will swing to a no deal over a remain. It will harden their will.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 8:24 am

What does seem really likely is that neither party wants a general election, which kinda leaves the 2nd ref as the only option.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 27, 2019 8:25 am

Bfcboyo wrote:Only 1/3 we will see this rise as a 2nd referendum is pushed? I think most supporters of leave will swing to a no deal over a remain. It will harden their will.
I suspect that most of us just want this over, and as a 2nd ref looks like the only option, and its going to be close, then waverers will start to back it.

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Post by taio » Mon May 27, 2019 8:25 am

nil_desperandum wrote:I think you do it on the basis of what they campaigned on???
(And as I pointed out very early in this thread Labour's executive position has swung strongly in favour of a Confirmatory Vote recently (even Corbyn), so the total now backing remain and / or a People's Vote is about 55%. This seems to mirror recent opinion polls that have remain on 55%)
The strongest message here BTW is for Labour, whose members are overwhelmingly anti-brexit and whose "supporters" are anti-brexit (according to polls) by approx 3 to 1.
For all the spin Farage puts on it about his party being only 6 weeks old, the BP vote is effectively UKip (in a new guise) + a relatively small swing from other parties, mainly ERG type Tories.
The other story that the country and Conservatives in particular should be concerned about, is that both Scotland and Wales have sent out a strong message, and - even before their votes come in - one can predict that there will be a good remain majority in NI.
Mr Cameron - what a mess you've made.
Labour and Corbyn have been that vague and indecisive I absolutely don't think it's fair to assume that those who voted Labour are all remainers. Agree about Cameron - said a referendum was a stupid idea well before the vote itself. Crazy.

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Post by AndrewJB » Mon May 27, 2019 8:28 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:And bail out, which is forbidden under EU law!?



Not if you listen to the message board Remoaners.



However , this is what the advice the government received from its legal advisors:

I'm now quoting directly from the actual letter sent to the government from its legal advisors.

"We cannot demonstrate the necessary commerciality required by State Aid Law to provide such support"

In other words , perhaps "simplistic", The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"There is no evidence that any earlier funding options involving government would have been lawful either"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"We do not believe there is currently any level of investment government could make ( above the State Aid de minis of €200000 that could be deemed commercial and so legal"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It was not possible to fund a traditional loan financing that would be deemed to be successfully commercial to meet the State Aid commerciality threshold"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"



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It proves my "simplistic" point to be accurate and correct and concurs with what Dr Ruth Bender, Associate Professor of Corporate Financial Strategy, said when she was interviewed on Radio 5 Live Breakfast show on 31st March.

"Do EU rules prevent state aid to save British Steel?

"Unfortunately, yes."
Why do you persist with this line of argument when it is not nearly as cut and dried as you suggest, and many within the company have blamed Brexit for its demise? The EU has not said “no can do” with regard state aid to British Steel. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ge-exports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 27, 2019 8:37 am

taio wrote:Labour and Corbyn have been that vague and indecisive I absolutely don't think it's fair to assume that those who voted Labour are all remainers..
Who said they were?
As I posted, all the data suggests that their supporters are between 66% and 75% remain. What I did post is that Labour have moved to being a pro-Confirmatory Vote Party, and after last night they'd be mad not to take heed of the Lib Dem / SNP / Plaid / Green / Change Uk vote. If they continue to be indecisive under Corbyn then they'll continue to haemorrhage voters in both directions.
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon May 27, 2019 8:53 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:Delusional

He’s explained his hurt a few times. As he puts it he’s from a thick family who some voted to leave as they were too stupid to know what they were voting for.

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Post by Blackrod » Mon May 27, 2019 8:54 am

I didn’t vote as so fed up with it all. At least the Brexit Party will hold Juncker and the rest of the gravy train ( cue for some people in uproar over that term such as the resident troll) to account.

All this harking on about 2nd referendums will just damage British democracy even more. When do we stop having votes ? When everyone is satisfied with the result ? The public has spoken and May has failed to deliver what they want even though it was a difficult task. Hopefully a new person will. This election result reconfirms what the public want.

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Re: European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

Post by JohnMcGreal » Mon May 27, 2019 8:55 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Who said they were?
As I posted, all the data suggests that their supporters are between 66% and 75% remain. What I did post is that Labour have moved to being a pro-Confirmatory Vote Party, and after last night they'd be mad not to take heed of the Lib Dem / SNP / Plaid / Green / Change Uk vote. If they continue to be indecisive under Corbyn then they'll continue to haemorrhage voters in both directions.
It was a bad night for Labour, but there's a really clear and obvious way they can outflank the Lib Dems/Greens/Chuk/SNP in a GE.

The pro-Remain parties are pledging to support a second referendum, which is winning them a lot of votes.

If Labour went a step further than that, and stood on a manifesto of revoking article 50 and remaining as a full member of the EU, they will leave the other parties for dust. Forget the second referendum. Obtain a clear and legitimate mandate to remain in the EU by winning enough seats in a general election to do just that.

I seriously doubt they'll have the courage to do it, but there's a big opportunity there for them if they're ready to take it.
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