Dwight McNeil in under-20s

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:38 am

Dwight has been called up for England U20s - games against Japan, Portugal and Chile.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:44 am

Great news for the lad, hope he's as good for them as he's been for us.
Are any of these games broadcast on telly?

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 am

are they friendly games or is there a world cup for them this summer?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:49 am

diamondpocket wrote:are they friendly games or is there a world cup for them this summer?

It's a tournament, got something on site now and details are at
http://www.uptheclarets.com/mcneil-call ... tournament" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:54 am

I’m pretty sure someone will explain it to me and probably make me look foolish but sometimes I don’t understand why a player like Dwight gets called up for the u20’s and not the u21’s?

It’s a fantastic achievement and to be clear, I’m not in any way casting a cloud over it, but there were at least 2 names on the u21’s squad list that I didn’t recognise and who I’m certain haven’t played any first team Premier League football.

Like I say, I don’t follow these things in any great depth and my 8 year old son could probably shoot me down in flames, but my question is - is Dwight not good enough for the u21 squad if, indeed, there is such a hierarchy?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:56 am

Cheshireclaret wrote:I’m pretty sure someone will explain it to me and probably make me look foolish but sometimes I don’t understand why a player like Dwight gets called up for the u20’s and not the u21’s?

It’s a fantastic achievement and to be clear, I’m not in any way casting a cloud over it, but there were at least 2 names on the u21’s squad list that I didn’t recognise and who I’m certain haven’t played any first team Premier League football.

Like I say, I don’t follow these things in any great depth and my 8 year old son could probably shoot me down in flames, but my question is - is Dwight not good enough for the u21 squad if, indeed, there is such a hierarchy?

The u21s are in a UEFA finals and they've stuck largely with the squad that has seen them go through the qualifications. That's usually the case.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:59 am

ClaretTony wrote:The u21s are in a UEFA finals and they've stuck largely with the squad that has seen them go through the qualifications. That's usually the case.

Splendid - I knew there’d be a simple explanation that a simpleton like me couldn’t fathom. I’m hearing your reply in my 8 year old son’s voice as well accompanied by a shake of the head, a roll of the eyes and a sarcastic chuckle

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:01 am

Will any of the games be on TV?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:04 am

FactualFrank wrote:Will any of the games be on TV?

I think Bt sports show the young lions

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:06 am

Reecey1987 wrote:I think Bt sports show the young lions

Just had a look here and it's showing as 'FreeSports'. I can't say I've watched the channel before.
https://www.live-footballontv.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:09 am

Excellent - can watch the games then

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:13 am

FactualFrank wrote:Just had a look here and it's showing as 'FreeSports'. I can't say I've watched the channel before.
https://www.live-footballontv.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These are the channel numbers

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:20 am

Is it what used to be known as the Toulon tournament years ago?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:20 am

jrgbfc wrote:Is it what used to be known as the Toulon tournament years ago?

I hadn't realised that when I wrote the article and saw this Maurice Revello Tournament, but it is what was called the Toulon Tournament previously. He started the tournament in 1967 and it was given his name following his death in 2016.

Suratclaret · Post by **Suratclaret** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:34 pm

Great news and playing in these games, assuming he is picked, can only provide him with valuable experiences. I know there is an argument for him having a long break from playing before pre season but representative football is good for him and good for the club.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:46 pm

I can see the Under-20s World Cup is going on at the moment, aren't we the holders of this competition? Surely we should be involved in this as well but seems we aren't.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:53 pm

Cheshireclaret wrote:I’m pretty sure someone will explain it to me and probably make me look foolish but sometimes I don’t understand why a player like Dwight gets called up for the u20’s and not the u21’s?

It’s a fantastic achievement and to be clear, I’m not in any way casting a cloud over it, but there were at least 2 names on the u21’s squad list that I didn’t recognise and who I’m certain haven’t played any first team Premier League football.

Like I say, I don’t follow these things in any great depth and my 8 year old son could probably shoot me down in flames, but my question is - is Dwight not good enough for the u21 squad if, indeed, there is such a hierarchy?

Also I think when Ashworth and Southgate started this England set up about 8 years ago the plan was for each age group to go through the years together. So this u21 have mostly always been together. 1 step away from the full squad they probably feel adding McNeil in is a bit too early for him. What with never until the last call up been around the training base and seen how it all operates. Most of these lads have been in the same time team for the last 5 years. Its a good way of doing it and a model Germany and Spain have used for many years.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:54 pm

Thanks Reecey1987, got the game on Saturday on reminder.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:04 pm

claretburns wrote:I can see the Under-20s World Cup is going on at the moment, aren't we the holders of this competition? Surely we should be involved in this as well but seems we aren't.

From Wikipedia:

England won the previous tournament in South Korea, but can not defend their title after losing 3–0 to Norway in a play-off for the final qualifying place at the 2018 UEFA European Under-19 Championship in Finland. England are the sixth consecutive champions to have failed to qualify for the subsequent U-20 World Cup.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue May 28, 2019 6:52 pm

The Toulon Tournament is one of the most prestigious "unofficial" youth competitions. When I say "unofficial" it's not run by UEFA or FIFA. There's no qualifying. But it has a very good reputation and apparently this will be the 47th year of the competition.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:09 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:These are the channel numbers

Those dates don’t make sense.

4th June is Tuesday not a Saturday

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:12 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Those dates don’t make sense.

4th June is Tuesday not a Saturday

Never noticed that but yeah your right . That was on there homepage on browser

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:15 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Never noticed that but yeah your right . That was on there homepage on browser

I know it wasn’t your mistake

Tbh I never even knew the channel existed

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:15 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Those dates don’t make sense.

4th June is Tuesday not a Saturday

15th june . 17:00 the final

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:I know it wasn’t your mistake

Tbh I never even knew the channel existed

https://www.freesports.tv/faqs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Channel 64 freeview

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:18 pm

Great experience for him, caps a brilliant season.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Good on him, hope he does well.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue May 28, 2019 7:29 pm

Freesports Currently showing South Africa v South Korea in Poland

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 28, 2019 9:28 pm

Well done Dwight.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:17 pm

Don’t forget - first match on now

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:49 pm

Anybody else cant find it on free view ?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:52 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Anybody else cant find it on free view ?

422 on sky.
It’s also on youtube, if you google it.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:53 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:422 on sky.
It’s also on youtube, if you google it.

It said it was on freeview aswell i dont have sky will check youtube out . Cheers

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:55 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:It said it was on freeview aswell i dont have sky will check youtube out . Cheers

See post 12 - channel 64

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:56 pm

Freesports channel is only on Freeview HD

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:57 pm

Working_Class_Zero wrote:Freesports channel is only on Freeview HD

Thats why i cant find it . Keeps skipping past channel 64 . Cant find it on youtube either

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:58 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:422 on sky.
It’s also on youtube, if you google it.

Cant find it on youtube

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:01 pm

Freesports is on my IPTV so will have streams available.

The camera angle isn't the best but Dwight will be playing on the near side 2nd half so should show him a lot better.

!aiboforceN · Post by **!aiboforceN** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:15 pm

Currently 1-1. Chalobah scoring from a McNeil corner in the first half. Japan equalising early in the 2nd.
Sluggish stuff so far. McNeil involved well.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:23 pm

McNeil looks a class above his England team mates.

They just need to give him the ball as much as possible.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:23 pm

I have it on Channel 252 FreeSports. Dwight needs help - give him the ball!! He doesn't seem to have been asked to track back like he does for us.

Pad1951 · Post by **Pad1951** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:34 pm

Now 2 - 1 to Japan

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:59 pm

Apologies guys it was this link but it doesn’t open.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaMVCUsimE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:36 pm

Not good was it although Dwight did well

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not good was it although Dwight did well

Japan looked a decent side to be fair but England should of snatched a draw at the end. About 5 chances when we actually went for it.

McNeil looked head and shoulders above the rest of the England lads. It's hard to judge him in the premier league at times playing against such quality but standing out at international level for your age group is a good sign.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:51 pm

Portugal. 6pm Tuesday.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Japan looked a decent side to be fair but England should of snatched a draw at the end. About 5 chances when we actually went for it.

McNeil looked head and shoulders above the rest of the England lads. It's hard to judge him in the premier league at times playing against such quality but standing out at international level for your age group is a good sign.

Totally agree with that.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:31 pm

Just my opinion but I think that at virtually any other time, Dwight would have been in the U21s. But England has an exceptional generation. Whether or not they go on to have good careers is another matter but he's up against very good competition. On the other hand, there is this tournament which is well respected and here he seems guaranteed to start. Much better than being sat watching others play. In my humble opinion.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:56 pm

ecc wrote:Just my opinion but I think that at virtually any other time, Dwight would have been in the U21s. But England has an exceptional generation. Whether or not they go on to have good careers is another matter but he's up against very good competition. On the other hand, there is this tournament which is well respected and here he seems guaranteed to start. Much better than being sat watching others play. In my humble opinion.

The FA gets rightly pilloried for many things,but clearly the investment in St George's Park has been justified,with the sheer amount of young talent at all the age ranges that England have been producing in recent years.

Decent showing for Dwight and an assist to boot,he usually seems to affect a game positively.

Can only improve his confidence and belief to be involved in tournaments like this,and will enhance his development,which clearly helps BFC.

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:58 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Cant find it on youtube

For future reference I watched it on Hesgoal.com........ I couldn't find it on Freeview either till I realised it must be only on HD!