One of the best one yet from Labour has to be the statement from fatso Emily Thorberry changing party policy live on TV by saying that Labour had to be much, much clearer about betraying its 2017 manifesto policy promise to honour the referendum result by calling for another , yes another referendum.

As for Campbell, well he is given to lies, but here he told the truth and its cost him.

Wexford_Claret wrote:If they are ‘centrist leaning’ and scared of Corbyn then they aren’t staunch socialists.

As for the thread subject, even if Campbell wasn’t a right-wing spin merchant, openly and very publicly declaring that one voted for a rival party is enough to get anyone suspended.

I'm not blaming them for expelling him, just pointing out that many, many Labour supporters would rather the party took the middle ground than go further and further to the left. Those Labour supporters who haven't left already will only be encouraged to go by this action.
They talk about uniting the country, just like the Tories they cant even unite the party.

Don't see why this is at all controversial: if you're in one party, you shouldn't vote for another.

Falcon wrote:I'm a Labour member (although recently I've been considering packing it in) and I voted Green in the EU elections. I'm Pro-Remain and Labour's stance on Brexit is inconsistent with mine, whereas the Greens isn't.

Reckon they'll force Claret Tony to disclose my email address so they can cross-reference and expel me too?

Obviously they won't, but yes: you should be expelled.

Stayingup wrote:One of the best one yet from Labour fatso Emily Thorberry.

Emily Thornbury
I take it the fragrant Ms Thornbury isn't a favourite of yours

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not blaming them for expelling him, just pointing out that many, many Labour supporters would rather the party took the middle ground than go further and further to the left.

Give me an example of a policy where Labour supporters feel the party is too far to the left and needs to be closer to the middle ground.

Bosscat wrote:
I take it the fragrant Ms Thornbury isn't a favourite of yours

It's Lady Nugee, to be accurate !!

Colburn_Claret wrote:The Labour party is really unelectable.
I know so many staunch, dyed in the wool socialists who have said they could never vote for them again whilst Corbyn and momentum are pulling the strings.
Expelling Campbell will just push even more centrist leaning Labour voters to desert the party.
Oblivion beckons.

I do not think so. Labour will survive; it's the Tories who may sink into oblivion and the combined efforts of the boy David and a few labour MP's who, out of charity, supported Jeremy as a candidate for the Labour leadership will, I predict, have inadvertently conspired to put Jeremy in number 10 when the General Election comes in late 2019 or early 2020

Piers Morgan has roasted him on twitter and the replies are very funny indeed.

He just refuses to accept any sort of decision doesn't he?

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not blaming them for expelling him, just pointing out that many, many Labour supporters would rather the party took the middle ground than go further and further to the left. Those Labour supporters who haven't left already will only be encouraged to go by this action.
They talk about uniting the country, just like the Tories they cant even unite the party.

Is there much point in just having a load of parties clustered around the middle/right though?

Realistically, if you actually look at the Labour Party's policies they're not particular extreme left. The Tories are probably more right wing at the moment than Labour are left-wing.

There's already the lib-dems sitting pretty central (maybe slightly more right than left). Those who want a centre-left party would probably be better starting something new rather than trying to move Labour, a historically left-wing party, there.

"It's just part of the rule book. Everyone knows that,"

Really? In that case he’s obviously expelled himself then.

Should have kept his mouth shut, i doubt any real Labour voters care one jot about him.

HieronymousBoschHobs wrote:Give me an example of a policy where Labour supporters feel the party is too far to the left and needs to be closer to the middle ground.

I'm not suggesting austerity is good because it isnt, but sometimes it's necessary. To start chucking money around improve the NHS, renationalise the railways etc all sound wonderful, but they have to be paid for. The normal cycle begins, squeeze the rich. Until the rich have had enough and either stop producing or relocate. Then jobs start going and the working class man starts losing his job and instead of paying into the system starts taking out. Before you know it the country is bankrupt and somebody else has to sort out all the mess.

In order to help working class man and welfare you have to promote big business, and big business has always been the anathema of Corbyn and his momentum cronies.

New Labour understood that, and despite some notable **** ups on foreign policy had the country united and succeeding. Businesses thrived, the economy thrived and therefore the working class man and welfare thrived. Corbyn cant go to the CBI and give a speech on how his policies are going to help them, and without their support it's all doomed to fail.

They might be well intentioned but history shows that given time old Labour always ends up screwing the very people they're supposed to help.

Colburn_Claret wrote: They might be well intentioned but history shows that given time old Labour always ends up screwing the very people they're supposed to help.

They could hardly screw them more than the current tories have

boatshed bill wrote:They could hardly screw them more than the current tories have

If you believe that then you are very young

I'm sure Campbell was equally annoyed when all those Corbyn supporters were barred from voting in the leadership contest for expressing support for another party. And no doubt when his mate Tony brought in these exact rules Campbell expressed his full opposition.

Colburn_Claret wrote:If you believe that then you are very young

Oh no I'm not.

So any Labour member who has ever voted tactically to prevent a Tory winning an election needs to admit their sin and resign.

boatshed bill wrote:Should have kept his mouth shut, i doubt any real Labour voters care one jot about him.

And therein lies the key to all this.

Guess who found himself on every mainstream news channel today? That’s right, Alastair “don’t forget about me everyone” Campbell.

He had absolutely no need to divulge that information, other than to get himself back in the public eye.

As an aside, I think it’s pretty harsh to be expelled for that, especially when you consider what AC and his mate Bliar could’ve been expelled for. I think there may be more to this than meets the eye.

Expelled not a day too soon, should have happened when him and Blair were both involved in producing that dodgy dossier prior to the Iraq war.

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not suggesting austerity is good because it isnt, but sometimes it's necessary. To start chucking money around improve the NHS, renationalise the railways etc all sound wonderful, but they have to be paid for. The normal cycle begins, squeeze the rich. Until the rich have had enough and either stop producing or relocate. Then jobs start going and the working class man starts losing his job and instead of paying into the system starts taking out. Before you know it the country is bankrupt and somebody else has to sort out all the mess.

In order to help working class man and welfare you have to promote big business, and big business has always been the anathema of Corbyn and his momentum cronies.

New Labour understood that, and despite some notable **** ups on foreign policy had the country united and succeeding. Businesses thrived, the economy thrived and therefore the working class man and welfare thrived. Corbyn cant go to the CBI and give a speech on how his policies are going to help them, and without their support it's all doomed to fail.

They might be well intentioned but history shows that given time old Labour always ends up screwing the very people they're supposed to help.

There are so many inaccuracies in that post it would take me ages to correct them, and as I am on holiday presently I won’t even start.

I'm no fan of Campbell, indeed no fan of Labour, but the whole thing is just bad Politics. It allows people to paint the current Labour party as an extreme leftist party, intolerant of any criticism of it's " dear leader ", or alternative strands of thought. It will severely dispirit loyal Labour activists & supporters of all shades of opinion, and if such things continue, Labour will be a shell of it's former self, with small coteries of extreme left activists holding meetings amongst themselves, passing meaningless motions on Venezuela & Palestine whilst the rest of us are getting on with our lives and voting for anybody who isn't the Labour party .... ( I'm an ex-Labour member ... btw ) .

Clarets4me wrote:I'm no fan of Campbell, indeed no fan of Labour, but the whole thing is just bad Politics. It allows people to paint the current Labour party as an extreme leftist party, intolerant of any criticism of it's " dear leader ", or alternative strands of thought. It will severely dispirit loyal Labour activists & supporters of all shades of opinion, and if such things continue, Labour will be a shell of it's former self, with small coteries of extreme left activists holding meetings amongst themselves, passing meaningless motions on Venezuela & Palestine whilst the rest of us are getting on with our lives and voting for anybody who isn't the Labour party .... ( I'm an ex-Labour member ... btw ) .

And another one, where do these people get dug up from?

Bosscat wrote:Emily Thornbury

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I take it the fragrant Ms Thornbury isn't a favourite of yours

That's Eric Pickles!

The real world, perhaps ?

St. Jeremy will not win a General Election for Labour, which means Labour do not win power. Without power, they cannot change things to help the people whom they profess to want to help ! Corbyn is one of life's " protesters ", he knows what he's against, but if the day ever came when he had to actually make decisions, he'd be f****d !!

Foulthrow wrote:Don’t tell them your name Falcon.

Stupid boy! Now you've shopped him!

IanMcL wrote:That's Eric Pickles!

Diane Abbot

Clarets4me wrote:The real world, perhaps ?

St. Jeremy will not win a General Election for Labour, which means Labour do not win power. Without power, they cannot change things to help the people whom they profess to want to help ! Corbyn is one of life's " protesters ", he knows what he's against, but if the day ever came when he had to actually make decisions, he'd be f****d !!

Would you believe it now getting like buses... 3 come along at once

South West Claret. wrote:Would you believe it now getting like buses... 3 come along at once

I knew you didn't read them properly ...

South West Claret. wrote:And another one, where do these people get dug up from?

God only knows where these idiots get their 'information' and what they consider to be credible news sources

Its no wonder society is going down the pan with so many gullible morons about

What's Campbell's user name on here,he must be loving all this love being shown to him.......

Steve1956 wrote:What's Campbell's user name on here,he must be loving all this love being shown to him.......

Dressingown

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Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not suggesting austerity is good because it isnt, but sometimes it's necessary. To start chucking money around improve the NHS, renationalise the railways etc all sound wonderful, but they have to be paid for. The normal cycle begins, squeeze the rich. Until the rich have had enough and either stop producing or relocate. Then jobs start going and the working class man starts losing his job and instead of paying into the system starts taking out. Before you know it the country is bankrupt and somebody else has to sort out all the mess.

In order to help working class man and welfare you have to promote big business, and big business has always been the anathema of Corbyn and his momentum cronies.

New Labour understood that, and despite some notable **** ups on foreign policy had the country united and succeeding. Businesses thrived, the economy thrived and therefore the working class man and welfare thrived. Corbyn cant go to the CBI and give a speech on how his policies are going to help them, and without their support it's all doomed to fail.

They might be well intentioned but history shows that given time old Labour always ends up screwing the very people they're supposed to help.

Stop bringing facts into this. Long live Comrade Corbyn.

If it be your will wrote:You are aware the Greens were anti-EU in their 2005, 2010, and 2015 manifestos? Just like the Lib Dems, they fully supported the EU referendum in 2015, saying on p71 of their manifesto: we prioritise local self-reliance rather than the EU’s unsustainable economics of free trade and growth...We support the proposal to have an in–out referendum so that the British people can have their say.

At least 15 years of deep Eurosceptic sentiment within the Green Party seemed to suddenly vanish into thin air. It's not clear why this is.

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/fi ... chable.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

page 71 - Europe.

http://www.maniffesto.com/wp-content/up ... festo-.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

page 44.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/p ... ifesto.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

page 30.

Where are they anti EU. All they want to do is reform it, not leave.

Calling for the referendum doesn't mean they wanted us to leave - ask David Cameron.

Can he also be expelled from his apparent lifelong role as our club's "celebrity fan"?

Bring back John Kettley!

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not suggesting austerity is good because it isnt, but sometimes it's necessary. To start chucking money around improve the NHS, renationalise the railways etc all sound wonderful, but they have to be paid for. The normal cycle begins, squeeze the rich. Until the rich have had enough and either stop producing or relocate. Then jobs start going and the working class man starts losing his job and instead of paying into the system starts taking out. Before you know it the country is bankrupt and somebody else has to sort out all the mess.

In order to help working class man and welfare you have to promote big business, and big business has always been the anathema of Corbyn and his momentum cronies.

New Labour understood that, and despite some notable **** ups on foreign policy had the country united and succeeding. Businesses thrived, the economy thrived and therefore the working class man and welfare thrived. Corbyn cant go to the CBI and give a speech on how his policies are going to help them, and without their support it's all doomed to fail.

They might be well intentioned but history shows that given time old Labour always ends up screwing the very people they're supposed to help.

Brexiter:

The economy is very delicate and we have to respect big businesses. Don’t raise corporation tax by a couple of percentage points because you might scare them all off. That crazy commie Corbyn will destroy the economy!

Also Brexiter:

Leaving the EU with no deal is perfectly fine. Falling out of almost every single trade arrangement we have won’t really cause much damage. F*** Business.

Seriously Colburn, how can you hold such a cautious view on the economy when it comes to Corbyn’s policies, yet hold such a reckless and carefree view on the economy when it comes to Brexit?

This could be fun!

The bit that the Tories do not understand is that if you have “cut off” areas of the country and then apply swathes of austerity on top, at the same time as other changes in modern lives, these people do not deserve it and it does us no credit as a country.

By “cut off” I mean it should take 30 minutes to get to Manchester, Leeds or Liverpool for work, no more. There should be a world leading technology university in the midlands or the north with hubs in towns like Burnley, with world leading companies springing up around them as a result.

By “other changes” I mean things like decent TV now being pay to watch and unaffordable to many, pubs closing down, community spirit reducing, obesity rising etc.

It really isn’t difficult. We can debate Corbynomics being the answer, or Brexit, but largely it comes down to people’s lives and whether they feel crap or not. If they do, they will vote against the status quo and the Tories will never be in power for another generation.

I’m looking closely to which Tory leader candidate is promising to address some of these things. Hancock and Hunt can’t even spell “north” let alone understand it.

Then your vote should go to Rory Stewart.

It shouldn't go anywhere near Johnson, Hunt, McVey and the ones who are partly responsible for this mess in the first place.

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All this could have been prevented by keeping his mouth shut and not posting on social media who he had voted for. No one would have known as voting in an election is anonymous. But this is Alastair Campbell we are talking about here.

Still he has managed to get his name and face across all media platforms, so not a total failure for him.....

Herts Clarets wrote:All this could have been prevented by keeping his mouth shut and not posting on social media who he had voted for. No one would have known as voting in an election is anonymous. But this is Alastair Campbell we are talking about here.

Still he has managed to get his name and face across all media platforms, so not a total failure for him.....

And Labour made all the phone ins and news reports about him, rather than about the EU elections and their continuing anti-semitism.

Win/Win

Lancasterclaret wrote:And Labour made all the phone ins and news reports about him, rather than about the EU elections and their continuing anti-semitism.

Win/Win

It's almost as if this was planned isn't it.......

Wouldn’t surprise me if AC hasn’t set the whole thing up from the off knowing what would happen and giving him the publicity so brazenly craves

box_of_frogs wrote:Stop bringing facts into this. Long live Comrade Corbyn.

The definition of a fact isn't 'an opinion I agree with'.

Anyway, it hardly matters: I'm sure Tom Watson will pledge to re-admit Alistair when he launches his leadership bid.

If it be your will wrote:Examples of 'deep eurosceptic' and 'anti-EU' sentiment (which is what I said) are:
In 2005 manifesto they committed to campaigning for 'no' if there was a referendum on the Treaty of the European Constitution (an un-ratified precursor to what eventually became the Lisbon Treaty). In 2010 manifesto they said "The Lisbon Treaty is not up to the Job", and in 2015 there was the passage I wrote above. It's all there. They were a party of Eurosceptics until very recently. If you're voting Green because of their unequivocal support for the EU now, that is not where they've been for the last 15 years. Their about turn, with no reference to their previous stances, looks like political opportunism to me.

And calling for a referendum might not mean you want to leave (ask Cameron!), but if nothing else, it really ought to mean respecting the result.

I don't read 'euro-sceptic' in their manifestos, just that it needs reform. Saying it needs reform is not anti-EU or Euro-sceptic. It says we like the EU but it has its faults and could be better.

Your last sentence I agree with - respecting the result.

If it be your will wrote:You are aware the Greens were anti-EU in their 2005, 2010, and 2015 manifestos? Just like the Lib Dems, they fully supported the EU referendum in 2015, saying on p71 of their manifesto: we prioritise local self-reliance rather than the EU’s unsustainable economics of free trade and growth...We support the proposal to have an in–out referendum so that the British people can have their say.

At least 15 years of deep Eurosceptic sentiment within the Green Party seemed to suddenly vanish into thin air. It's not clear why this is.

Probably the same reason as Corbyn, political expediency.

JohnMcGreal wrote:Brexiter:

The economy is very delicate and we have to respect big businesses. Don’t raise corporation tax by a couple of percentage points because you might scare them all off. That crazy commie Corbyn will destroy the economy!

Also Brexiter:

Leaving the EU with no deal is perfectly fine. Falling out of almost every single trade arrangement we have won’t really cause much damage. F*** Business.

Seriously Colburn, how can you hold such a cautious view on the economy when it comes to Corbyn’s policies, yet hold such a reckless and carefree view on the economy when it comes to Brexit?

I've never said leaving with No Deal was ideal, but the reality is that there will never be meaningful negotiations whilst we are in the EU. I'm not concerned about NO Deal because I am confident that when faced with the reality of Britain leaving a compromise will be reached. It doesn't serve anybody not to come to a deal, and NOBODY cuts their nose off to spite their face. It's not a case of being brave, or having faith, it's just common sense.
The uncertainty of the last 3 years will have caused far more problems for business than leaving probably will. At least once the dust has settled they can start planning for the future. At the moment they are in limbo, and that is bad for business.