Read on Twitter that it’s 615 days since he last played for Villa, but following promotion, his wage has now gone up to £70k a week, with a year still left on his contract.

Utter madness.

Good old Twitter, the source of all reliable facts.

KRBFC wrote:Good old Twitter, the source of all reliable facts.

it was reported in every single paper about 4hrs after Villa won

Similar to VDS with us-from £7k to £14k was often quoted

He wont be the only one. Likes of Lansbury will have similar deals. Not saying as much but will probably double their wages. Bet theres at least 5 or 6 like

TsarBomba wrote:Read on Twitter that it’s 615 days since he last played for Villa, but following promotion, his wage has now gone up to £70k a week, with a year still left on his contract.

Utter madness.

Good to hear that they'll be wasting their money on the likes of him then.

They've finally managed to get rid of Micah Richards though, he's not played since October 2016 which must be over 950 days. At least McCormack has been playing football on loan at a few clubs.

And I believe the Remco van der Schaaf story to be true - I'm told he was our highest paid player in the Premier League in 2009/10.

ClaretTony wrote:They've finally managed to get rid of Micah Richards though, he's not played since October 2016 which must be over 950 days. At least McCormack has been playing football on loan at a few clubs.

And I believe the Remco van der Schaaf story to be true - I'm told he was our highest paid player in the Premier League in 2009/10.

Not bad for 1 appearance. He must be ******* himself

A player signs the contact on the clubs terms, yet they are painted as the bad guys when they are frozen out the squad. I presume its because the club want to save money on appearance fees and bonuses.

I'd love to know the real reason behind Remco van der Schaff though.

claptrappers_union wrote: I'd love to know the real reason behind Remco van der Schaff though.

Thought that was common knowledge, its because....




















He was sh1t

In fairness all sorts of silly offers were probably made to players, similar to VDS' terms, because the club never realistically thought they would have to honour them.

Free season tickets being an offer of that ilk.

claptrappers_union wrote:I'd love to know the real reason behind Remco van der Schaff though.

I can only assume there was a problem between him and the manager. When he had shoulder surgery the manager refused to discuss it when asked by the local media. Coyle had a press conference on the day we signed him. Asked about him at the morning press conference he said he'd never heard of Remco van der Schaaf. He signed for us in the afternoon.

ClaretTony wrote:I can only assume there was a problem between him and the manager. When he had shoulder surgery the manager refused to discuss it when asked by the local media. Coyle had a press conference on the day we signed him. Asked about him at the morning press conference he said he'd never heard of Remco van der Schaaf. He signed for us in the afternoon.

I suppose, it's one of those taboos in football. Who is signing players, the manager or somebody else? So sometimes it might be unfair for Coyle to carry the can for signing crap players. However there must've been internal clashes when he didn't play him.

Same with Fernando Guerrero and Frédéric Nimani. I can't imagine Coyle (or Laws) signing either of those players.

If there was an issue between VDS and Coyle, why did it apparently presist when Laws came in? (Unless VDS really was a right tool!!!) You'd have thought, with relegation looming large, a manager would be trying anything and everything and giving your highest earner a few games would seem to make a bit of sense. (to me)

claptrappers_union wrote:I suppose, it's one of those taboos in football. Who is signing players, the manager or somebody else? So sometimes it might be unfair for Coyle to carry the can for signing crap players. However there must've been internal clashes when he didn't play him.

Same with Fernando Guerrero and Frédéric Nimani. I can't imagine Coyle (or Laws) signing either of those players.

I don't think they did and I think you can add Fox & Cort to that list and maybe others.

Obviously there were some players who were signed by the manager... or at least signed when he went to Bolton - Stuart Holden and Vladimír Weiss - both on trial at Burnley before Coyle left.

How many players were signed by Brendan Flood?

Wasn't VDS on trial at Cardiff or another Championship club when we signed him or has my memory totally made that up?

Cardiff were going to sign up, but we beat them to his Signiture

MACCA wrote:Thought that was common knowledge, its because....




















He was sh1t

Correct

VDS - Burnleys most expensive mistake until Dyche started signing Strikers in the Premier League!!

I have the utmost respect for Sean Dyche.

However, at the time of his appointment, there was one major concern I had, 'cos I recalled that this was the guy who had paid money to Burnley for Chris Iwelumo.

He can spot and improve defenders, he's able to bring on goalkeepers and he makes us difficult to beat, but I'm still not convinced he can spot a striker.

Claret Toni wrote:I have the utmost respect for Sean Dyche.

However, at the time of his appointment, there was one major concern I had, 'cos I recalled that this was the guy who had paid money to Burnley for Chris Iwelumo.

He can spot and improve defenders, he's able to bring on goalkeepers and he makes us difficult to beat, but I'm still not convinced he can spot a striker.

Aye, that Ashley Barnes & Andre Gray are shite aren't they

Claret Toni wrote:I have the utmost respect for Sean Dyche.

However, at the time of his appointment, there was one major concern I had, 'cos I recalled that this was the guy who had paid money to Burnley for Chris Iwelumo.

He can spot and improve defenders, he's able to bring on goalkeepers and he makes us difficult to beat, but I'm still not convinced he can spot a striker.

Ashley Barnes - £500k
Andre Gray - £6m (rising to £9m with promotion) - sold for double that.
Plus though he did not buy Vokes or Ings he got out of both of them more than any other previous managers had and also made the best part of £15m profit. Neither would have been worth anywhere near what we sold or got for them in the case of Ings without the seasons they had under Dyche.
Profits from Gray, Ings and Vokes more than paid for Chris Wood.

He’s not done that bad (and I know I haven’t mentioned Vydra, Wells, etc but I am responding to your point he can’t spot a striker)

Apart from Ashley Barnes, Chris Wood and Andre Gray, what have the Romans done for us.

The point I was trying and failing to make is that SD has brought in lesser known defensive players like Pope and Tarkowski and, with the aid of his staff, turned them into England Internationals.

He hasn't had the same success from the strikers brought in. Ashley Barnes, Chris Wood and Andre Gray were top level championship players, and yes they've improved but there hasn't been the step change seen in defensive players.

The lesser known players brought in who play higher up the pitch don't seem to have blossomed to the extent that the defenders have. I guess what I should have said is that I'm still not convinced he can spot a strikers potential.


....and I still can't get over he actually signed Chris Iwelumo from us, although I believe he was good in the dressing room.

Mick McCarthy signed Iwelumo too and played him in the Premier League. So sorry you can’t get over him signing for Watford because it is certainly blighting your view.

Barnes is hugely improved from the player we signed for virtually peanuts. I bet Brighton would have liked him in their team last season.

He didn’t sign them but how massively both Vokes & Ings improved under Dyche. Gray improved, JBG has and then there is Hendrick and Arfield. Shame you’ve missed all that because Watford signed Iwelumo.

Iwelumo was very good for us goals wise.
It's just his legs had gone, so he wasn’t able to affect games as much with his all round game.

Pretty similar to Barnes and Wood now. Goal record is very good but could do better keeping the ball up top.

A strike rate of 1 in 10 when he was at Watford, for big Chris. I'm comfortable with my view.

Should it surprise me that the point has been lost that there has not been a step change in the performance (when compared to Goalkeepers / Defenders) of the strikers signed. Yes there has been improvement - I wouldn't try to deny that. it's just at a lesser level, in particular the 2 you quote Ings and Vokes. Massively - that's subjective. Ings to me improved the most, but then he had the most potential, the potential spotted by the previos manager.

No issue with the midfield players you mention, but then again my point was about strikers. You may notice that if you (re-)read my post.

Let me finish as I started: I have the utmost respect for Sean Dyche.

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Released by Villa a year early, one of 9 players they've released since promotion.

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So we could get him for free?

That's a big lump of wages Villa will have had to pay out, I presume at a discount so he can go and play somewhere else. But still, 70K a week, take 60K a week upfront? £3M minimum just to move him on...

You wonder what's happened, maybe an illness has done him. This player was a goal machine and then nothing.

He was quite good at Leeds and Fulham. Think we had a nibble for him a while ago

. can’t recall if the price paid for Vossen and the money made on his sale was ever released?

. wrote:. can’t recall if the price paid for Vossen and the money made on his sale was ever released?

Club confirmed the two figures were the same

Garnerssoap wrote:He was quite good at Leeds and Fulham. Think we had a nibble for him a while ago

he had a fantastic season with Cardiff too but amazingly in his first season at Leeds he didn't score his first goal until the next to last match of the season (no surprise it was against us). He fell out with the manager at Villa and they basically pushed him out of the way. Whether he'd ever have been good enough to play in the Premier League we'll never now know.

Don’t think it’s too unfair to say that Dyche has been excellent with goalkeepers, excellent with defenders, decent with midfield and a bit hit and miss with strikers. But that’s in line with how we play, and strikers are typically hit and miss at this level anyway. Generally? His domestic based strikers have been good (Wells aside, Vydra still time to prove his worth), it’s the foreign based ones that have disappointed, again in line with the club not having the appropriate knowledge out there yet.