Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

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Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby IanMcL » Wed May 29, 2019 1:04 pm

An allegedly lying politician, who may get found out!

Crown court for lying about how much we send to EU each week and that we could send it to NHS instead.

The very essence of why many were duped and voted to leave.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Vino blanco » Wed May 29, 2019 1:07 pm

Oh goodie, another chance to spout a load of drivel about Brexit.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Dark Cloud » Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

If people could be up in court for everything they said at "the hustings" and in a "manifesto" then Boris and his case would simply be at the head of a very,very long queue, I'd suggest.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Vino blanco » Wed May 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Dianne Abbott would be hung, drawn and quartered for her many comments then?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby DomBFC1882 » Wed May 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Dianne Abbott would be hung, drawn and quartered for her many comments then?


Exactly that

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AlargeClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 1:14 pm

What perfect timing ..who’d have thought it ! And so it begins ..”stop Boris at all costs “
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby dsr » Wed May 29, 2019 1:26 pm

IanMcL wrote:An allegedly lying politician, who may get found out!

Crown court for lying about how much we send to EU each week and that we could send it to NHS instead.

The very essence of why many were duped and voted to leave.

Absolutely. If only we had listened to that nice and oh-so-accurate Mr. Osborne instead.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby LoveCurryPies » Wed May 29, 2019 1:28 pm

The charge carries a Life Sentence if found guilty! :lol:

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 29, 2019 1:29 pm

Would a politician be expected to appear in court had he promised all students free tuition if you vote him in, only then to say ahhhh not that kind of free even when he lost (again)
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby dsr » Wed May 29, 2019 1:30 pm

Are they planning to save time by barring the doors of the House of Commons and turning it into a prison for 650 lifers?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Devils_Advocate » Wed May 29, 2019 1:34 pm

There there guys, dry your eyes and don't be getting yourselves all upset over nothing

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Damo » Wed May 29, 2019 1:49 pm

What a hilarious way to waste your money.
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It's as bad as giving it to Tommy Robinson, or paying for Mike Stutchbury to go on holiday
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby dermotdermot » Wed May 29, 2019 1:53 pm

What about Cameron and Osborne’s bare faced lies about the country being near bankruptcy when they took over. Bang them both up!
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby RingoMcCartney » Wed May 29, 2019 1:56 pm

"IF WE VOTE TO LEAVE THE EU, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN EMERGENCY BUDGET THE MORNING FOLLOWING THE REFERENDUM " George Osborne 16th June 2016

When Old Gideon Osborne in the dock then?


The Establishment is more and more brazen and shameless about its agenda to deny democracy. More votes for the Brexit Party guaranteed!




Every cloud.......
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AlargeClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 1:59 pm

Evidently Boris asked the Judge in chambers if it could just be quickly settled by him “having my pants pulled down and my bottom spanked and being told what a naughty boy i’ve been “? The judge reminded BoJo that he’s not at Eton anymore
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby aggi » Wed May 29, 2019 2:01 pm

I think the point is more that he said something that was demonstrably untrue, everyone pointed out it was untrue and he continued to repeat the same thing ad infinitum.

It will be entertaining to try and see him justify it without further incriminating himself but it's a dangerous precedent to set.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby thatdberight » Wed May 29, 2019 2:02 pm

This is not a good thing in my view. I'm sure some will say, "Hang the consequences" but if the law is applied fairly (obviously not if it takes private prosecutions to do it) and catches large numbers of politicians, this will only lead to politicians redrawing the law so that it can't happen. That would not be a good thing. The judge, I'm sure, went through what she saw as the correct tests. If anyone thinks that any outcome from this will help stop Brexit, I'd bet they're much mistaken.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Damo » Wed May 29, 2019 2:03 pm

It's nothing to do with the establishment.
A bunch of idiots have crowd funded to raise 100k line some lawyers pockets.

It's just a case of thick people being fleeced
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby RingoMcCartney » Wed May 29, 2019 2:03 pm

"A vote to Leave would see an immediate and contracted recession" H M Treasury June 2016

"A vote to Leave would see unemployment rise by upto an extra 850,000 within 18 months of such a vote" H M Treasury, June 2016.

Looks like the tax man could be getting a knock. Doubt it, the Establishment is on his side.


This court case is entirely a politically motivated one.
It exposes the judiciary to be entirely politicised again. These enemies of the People don't do themselves any favours do they!


They help the Brexit Party though!

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Jel » Wed May 29, 2019 2:05 pm

Weapons of mass destruction anyone?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rowls » Wed May 29, 2019 2:06 pm

Very, very dangerous precedent this and hopefully will be deservedly thrown out and castigated.

If you think this is in any way a good idea then read this article which explains the many dangerous problems going down such a damaging road could do to Britain:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/b ... celebrate/

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Its pretty funny, and there is a serious point to all this (politicians lying undermines our faith in them and our democratic system) but I'm not sure this will stick.

He should be in court though for his stuff on the Garden Bridge in London though

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby timshorts » Wed May 29, 2019 2:32 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Dianne Abbott would be hung, drawn and quartered for her many comments then?


This seems a little unlikely.

What makes you think she can do fractions?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rowls » Wed May 29, 2019 2:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its pretty funny, and there is a serious point to all this (politicians lying undermines our faith in them and our democratic system) but I'm not sure this will stick.

He should be in court though for his stuff on the Garden Bridge in London though


It's not funny and it's a dangerous precedent. And the serious point we should take is that it is up to ourselves to decide which politicians we believe.

When a politician makes a claim we find to be unlikely or disagree with we have two choices. We can decide that we disagree with them or we can be churlish and tell ourselves they are "lying".

All of us could list hundreds of examples of politicians "lying". It is a puerile concept.

Have you read the article I posted a link to?

It will explain very clearly, in only a handful of paragraphs why this would be a suicidal path for the UK to take.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rick_Muller » Wed May 29, 2019 2:33 pm

does anyone know where the off switch is for Ringo after he's been triggered...?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AndrewJB » Wed May 29, 2019 2:39 pm

If he's convicted, will there be a melt down on this board if he's voting with a tag on his ankle?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rowls » Wed May 29, 2019 2:42 pm

And here's an article explaining the disputed figures:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/t ... is-higher/

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed May 29, 2019 2:43 pm

It is exactly what it says it is, misconduct in a public office.
He obviously crossed the line of political campaigning into fraud as what he was saying was blatantly untrue.
I don't know why people on here are saying it sets a dangerous precedent, why should people be allowed to bare-faced lie in office for their own ends?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Quickenthetempo » Wed May 29, 2019 2:45 pm

Great news, I have a list as long as my arm to follow him in.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Devils_Advocate » Wed May 29, 2019 2:45 pm

Come on lads you'd get less drama-queenery on a Netmums forum
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 29, 2019 2:47 pm

I imagine you bore as many people on a netmums forum as on here

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 2:47 pm

Rowls wrote:It's not funny and it's a dangerous precedent. And the serious point we should take is that it is up to ourselves to decide which politicians we believe.

When a politician makes a claim we find to be unlikely or disagree with we have two choices. We can decide that we disagree with them or we can be churlish and tell ourselves they are "lying".

All of us could list hundreds of examples of politicians "lying". It is a puerile concept.

Have you read the article I posted a link to?

It will explain very clearly, in only a handful of paragraphs why this would be a suicidal path for the UK to take.


I broadly agree that its silly, but Boris and others have taken the lying by politicians to next degree. It started with Bannon and Trump in the US and its spread over here. Say whatever the hell you want, make sure it spreads and and who cares about the consequences if it gets you where you want to go?

We deserve better from our politicians, and we need to find a way to make sure we get it.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Devils_Advocate » Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I imagine you bore as many people on a netmums forum as on here

There there my dear, a football forum really isn't worth upsetting yourself over

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 29, 2019 2:51 pm

Would take a lot more than an internet coward to upset me love, I actually pity you

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Devils_Advocate » Wed May 29, 2019 2:53 pm

Nowt to do with me, just seems like everything upsets you on here
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Spijed » Wed May 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Imagine Boris meeting the Queen.

He'd bow, and no doubt click his heels at the same time.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Spijed wrote:Imagine Boris meeting the Queen.

He'd bow, and no doubt click his heels at the same time.


I'm 75% sure he'd try to shag her to be perfectly honest
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 29, 2019 2:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm 75% sure he'd try to shag her to be perfectly honest



Cheers for that image
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Barry_Chuckle » Wed May 29, 2019 3:02 pm

So it takes 2 years to do this, what timing, this is, Spooky!

Pathetic in my opinion,and as said above, we are on a dangerous course doing this.

Tony Blair next anyone? Don't forget his comments of Saddam Hussein having Weapons of mass destruction, this led to the deaths of thousands, including 100's of our own troops.

He should be in the dock before anyone else.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby CombatClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 3:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"A vote to Leave would see an immediate and contracted recession" H M Treasury June 2016
"A vote to Leave would see unemployment rise by upto an extra 850,000 within 18 months of such a vote" H M Treasury, June 2016.
"IF WE VOTE TO LEAVE THE EU, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN EMERGENCY BUDGET THE MORNING FOLLOWING THE REFERENDUM " George Osborne 16th June 2016


All the above were projections/opinions of future events.

"We send the EU £350million a week" if proven untrue would be a lie about a fact at the time. Not a prediction, an opinion or projection. An untruthful statement written on the side of a bus, campaigned on and influencing voters.

That's the difference, it's clear and obvious.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Braindead » Wed May 29, 2019 3:18 pm

So Boris Johnson faces a Crown Court for this triviality and yet Tony Blair, who's proven lies directly led to the death of British troops in Iraq has never faced prosecution?

Farcical, and i am sure the timing is mere coincidence........

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 3:19 pm

I think the big issue here is that he continued to use it after he was told by everybody that it wasn't true.

Crikey, its almost like he posts on here under another name.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Clarets4me » Wed May 29, 2019 3:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its pretty funny, and there is a serious point to all this (politicians lying undermines our faith in them and our democratic system) but I'm not sure this will stick.

He should be in court though for his stuff on the Garden Bridge in London though


Case 1 should be Gordon Brown's announcing the date and amount of British Gold Reserves being sold, " Corporate negligence acting against the interest of his shareholders ", ordering two aircraft carriers to be built on his doorstep just before losing office, against advice. Add in Blair's various nefarious activities, Teresa May's promises that we'd leave the EU on 29th March, ( She'd ask for 107 other offences to be taken into consideration ), haul Cleggy back from his " Facebook " job in California and make him answer for saying " a European Army was a dangerous " fantasy, and all the architects of " Project Fear " , and " M'lud " is going to be rather busy ....

This case will be thrown out by any sensible judge, and the plaintiffs should be fined for wasting the Court's time ...

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 3:31 pm

Seriously, you need to read up on his Garden Bridge fiasco when he was London Mayor......whats that? (whisper, whisper)

Thats nonsense! Why should him being in favour of Brexit mean he gets away with a blatant waste of millions of tax payers money and lying to the public? (whisper, whisper)

Really? Crikey, next you'll be saying that someone has set up a political party with no way of removing him from office and its essentially a public company that he 100% controls............oh

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rowls » Wed May 29, 2019 3:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I broadly agree that its silly, but Boris and others have taken the lying by politicians to next degree. It started with Bannon and Trump in the US and its spread over here. Say whatever the hell you want, make sure it spreads and and who cares about the consequences if it gets you where you want to go?

We deserve better from our politicians, and we need to find a way to make sure we get it.


It's not the case at all that "Boris and the others have taken the lying ... to the next degree" - rhetoric is as old as time.
Bannon and Trump have nothing to do with it - they are just your modern bogeymen.

It is the people who need to be more discerning here. It's obvious what he was saying in the referendum campaign - he was quoting the gross figure instead of the net figure. See the article above about that.

People who cannot discern between rhetoric and "lying" are being churlish or obtuse. That is the kindest thing to say about them.

This legal challenge is entirely without merit and potentially very, very dangerous.

Hopefully the judge who allowed it to pass has done so only to land this ridiculous campaign with a hefty legal bill. But this is a dangerous game to play with democracy.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby RingoMcCartney » Wed May 29, 2019 3:41 pm

CombatClaret wrote:All the above were projections/opinions of future events.

"We send the EU £350million a week" if proven untrue would be a lie about a fact at the time. Not a prediction, an opinion or projection. An untruthful statement written on the side of a bus, campaigned on and influencing voters.

That's the difference, it's clear and obvious.




Question - When does what is being presented as unequivocal , "evidence" that leaving the EU will be bad for the UK, become passed of as
just "projections / prediction / opinion"?

Answer - when time proves it was was a pack of lies, and those spouting it, but more importantly, those who gullibley, feel for it, need an excuse!!!

And that, puts my argument, which I why I spent far too much time on here standing up for, in a nutshell.

All the remoaners now pointing to new projections, assumptions, economic forecasts and modelling are pointing to that, and claiming it to be, " evidence that leaving the EU will be bad for the UK" Even though it's from the very same sources that they now want to glibly pass off as "projections, prediction / opinion"

Remoaners read and learn-

evidence

/ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/

noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

conjecture

/kənˈdʒɛktʃə/

noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
"conjectures about the newcomer were many and varied"
synonyms: guess, speculation, projections, surmise, fancy, notion, belief, suspicion, presumption, assumption, theory, predictions hypothesis, postulation, supposition;

incomplete information. - we haven't left the EU yet, nor has anybody previously.



Appreciate your help Combat Claret on proving me correct. Again.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AndrewJB » Wed May 29, 2019 3:43 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Case 1 should be Gordon Brown's announcing the date and amount of British Gold Reserves being sold, " Corporate negligence acting against the interest of his shareholders ", ordering two aircraft carriers to be built on his doorstep just before losing office, against advice. Add in Blair's various nefarious activities, Teresa May's promises that we'd leave the EU on 29th March, ( She'd ask for 107 other offences to be taken into consideration ), haul Cleggy back from his " Facebook " job in California and make him answer for saying " a European Army was a dangerous " fantasy, and all the architects of " Project Fear " , and " M'lud " is going to be rather busy ....

This case will be thrown out by any sensible judge, and the plaintiffs should be fined for wasting the Court's time ...

The sale of Royal Mail was a bigger taxpayer ripoff than anything for the last few decades.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rowls » Wed May 29, 2019 3:44 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think the big issue here is that he continued to use it after he was told by everybody that it wasn't true.


"wasn't true"

"told by everybody"

You imagine this level of discourse is admissible in a UK court?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 3:48 pm

Rowls wrote:"wasn't true"

"told by everybody"

You imagine this level of discourse is admissible in a UK court?


You are aware that this is nothing to do with me, and I have no idea of the legal arguments being used right?

But that the premise that Boris Johnson is a proven liar is inarguable*

*and so are many, many, many, many other politicians

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby thatdberight » Wed May 29, 2019 3:48 pm

CombatClaret wrote:All the above were projections/opinions of future events.

"We send the EU £350million a week" if proven untrue would be a lie about a fact at the time. Not a prediction, an opinion or projection. An untruthful statement written on the side of a bus, campaigned on and influencing voters.

That's the difference, it's clear and obvious.


On the surface perhaps but if those making the pronouncements were relying on data which they had deliberately skewed or had asked others to skew that would be very little different than what Johnson's accused of. For clarity, I don't want Osborne, Cameron, Brown, Clegg, Blair, Campbell, Carney or any of the others who will doubtless be mentioned brought to book either.
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