Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby RingoMcCartney » Wed May 29, 2019 3:51 pm

"There's going to be an EU army" , Nigel Farage June 2016.

"Nigel nigel nigel. You and I both know that the idea that there's going to be a European army is simply not true. It's a dangerous fantasy " Nick "tuition fees" Clegg June 2016.


Matter of weeks later, Jean Claude Drunker, Merkel and the rest, say exactly that!!!!!!









Arrest that man!!!!!


https://youtu.be/PrzUnjCcUGs

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Rick_Muller » Wed May 29, 2019 3:53 pm

he's gone full Ringo on us, thoughts and prayers everyone

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby rob63 » Wed May 29, 2019 3:59 pm

Damo wrote:It's nothing to do with the establishment.
A bunch of idiots have crowd funded to raise 100k line some lawyers pockets.

It's just a case of thick people being fleeced


Wouldn't worry about it Damo - they're probably the same thick people who believed him in the 1st place & now they've got a cob on!

You know what they say......Fool me once -shame on you..... fool me twice-shame on me!

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby rob63 » Wed May 29, 2019 4:00 pm

It will be entertaining to try and see him justify it without further incriminating himself but it's a dangerous precedent to set.[/quote]

Not sure Boris can say anything without incriminating himself, so this should be a laugh!

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby RingoMcCartney » Wed May 29, 2019 4:03 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:he's gone full Ringo on us, thoughts and prayers everyone


No need.

Did that conversation between Clegg and Farage take place in front of a live audience.?

Yes Or No?

Have plans for an EU defence force/army been announced/ discussed/ confirmed . By Merkel , Junker and Macron?

Yes Or No?

It's easy to mock. Let's see if you find it as easy to answer two simple yes / no questions.

Before you answer. Some reading material-

Just 3 months later -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

And again

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ME ... 517_en.htm

And again

https://www.politico.eu/article/angela- ... ment-nato/


https://youtu.be/PrzUnjCcUGs

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby aggi » Wed May 29, 2019 4:10 pm

Rowls wrote:And here's an article explaining the disputed figures:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/t ... is-higher/


I think most people are aware that the gross figure is £350m. However, Johnson referred to sending the EU £350m per week which is demonstrably untrue.

The article (from the publication that Johnson used to be editor of) doesn't disprove it in any way. I'd say their reasoning is pretty shonky:

So why did Boris use the gross figure, when the convention is to use the net figure? Simple: it drives the other side quite loopy. They threaten to sue. And as they explode with anger, the discussion turns to how much of British money is spent to the EU – a conversation subject that suits Brexiteers. This tactic worked so effectively in the referendum because their opponents rose to the bait every time.

Was the £350m figure misleading? Yes, if it was spoken of as the net figure. Would the lower figure have been fairer, and got the point across just as well? Of course. But it would not have been as effective as a campaigning tool, because it would have generated less fuss.


I hope he has a better defence than that in court.

Personally I don't like the idea of private prosecutions, it's too open to abuse, but something needs to be done about the level of truthfulness in political debate at the moment. I don't care that much about politicians getting a prediction wrong or not being able to remember figures off the top of their head but when they wilfully misrepresent figures (and particularly after they have been corrected) then they need to be held to account somehow. I'm buggered if I know how though (my personal option would be that the correction has to be given the same prominence as the lie).

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby tim_noone » Wed May 29, 2019 4:17 pm

AndrewJB wrote:If he's convicted, will there be a melt down on this board if he's voting with a tag on his ankle?

Probably ......The days of Jonathan Aitken John Stonehouse and Jeffrey Archer! Happy Days no Tags for Them Lads Hard Core Convicts. :shock:
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby LordBob » Wed May 29, 2019 4:23 pm

Who really gives a flying ... this is all about discrediting him before the leadership election and I for one couldn't care less. I didn't vote leave for any financial reasons and I expect a lot of other voters feel the same but I hope for Gods sake those remainers that can't accept a democratic vote don't start banging on again and before the 'MILLIONS WOULD HAVE VOTED DIFFERENT' crew start moaning, it wouldn't have mattered.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Stayingup » Wed May 29, 2019 4:31 pm

IanMcL wrote:An allegedly lying politician, who may get found out!

Crown court for lying about how much we send to EU each week and that we could send it to NHS instead.

The very essence of why many were duped and voted to leave.


Haha. Project fear didn't lie did they. Not half.

More votes for Boris now.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 4:33 pm

I like it when Brexiters get upset when people go on about one of their side lying and then start with the “what about Osbourne and Cameron?”

Like those two are hero’s to people who voted remain or something.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Stayingup » Wed May 29, 2019 4:37 pm

The establishment makes fools of themselves again and Boris gains more votes and so does leave. They are really bitter these metropolitan 'Cirizens of the world' and citizens of nowhere'.

No wonder so many voted for Brexit after years of having their communities radically changed without consultation, by ignorant self centered politicians they had their chance to make a protest and they did. And still the establishment is not listening and doesn't care.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Burnley Ace » Wed May 29, 2019 4:38 pm

aggi wrote:However, Johnson referred to sending the EU £350m per week which is demonstrably untrue.

I hope he has a better defence than that in court.


You have misread the article- it is a fact that we send £350m a week, that is the gross figure, the amount we are obliged to send. We then get a rebate and get money back.

When you are asked how much you earn do you use the gross or net figure?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby fanzone » Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 pm

How many times did May say we were leaving the EU on the 29th March?

The figure Boris quoted isn't far from what we actually put into the EU

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Stayingup » Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I like it when Brexiters get upset when people go on about one of their side lying and then start with the “what about Osbourne and Cameron?”

Like those two are hero’s to people who voted remain or something.


Lost your English have you since your move to France.

Stay there.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 4:48 pm

Bless.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby CrosspoolClarets » Wed May 29, 2019 5:00 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:What perfect timing ..who’d have thought it ! And so it begins ..”stop Boris at all costs “


Sums up my thoughts on it.

I was tempted to vote for another candidate but with this amount of mud I am starting to think much of this Boris stuff is exaggerated so I’m now leaning back to him again. Anybody who rattles this bunch of slimy toads in the Tory party and wider Parliament is fine by me.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 5:09 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Sums up my thoughts on it.

I was tempted to vote for another candidate but with this amount of mud I am starting to think much of this Boris stuff is exaggerated so I’m now leaning back to him again. Anybody who rattles this bunch of slimy toads in the Tory party and wider Parliament is fine by me.


Loving that the next PM will be voted for by people who act like 8 year olds.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Murger » Wed May 29, 2019 5:10 pm

The timing of all this stinks. The Establishment really are using every trick in the book and making some up as they go along.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 5:15 pm

Have any of you checked when this bloke started this private prosecution?

You might want to try it!
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby martin_p » Wed May 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:You have misread the article- it is a fact that we send £350m a week, that is the gross figure, the amount we are obliged to send. We then get a rebate and get money back.

When you are asked how much you earn do you use the gross or net figure?


It’s not a fact, the rebate is applied at source. We only send the net figure.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AlargeClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 5:34 pm

Boris gone from 5/6 to 9/4 talk about a huge drift .This will likely scupper his chances though I’m sure the luvvies will deliver the coup de grace long before voting begins .
The timing of this is unbelievable with the main media outlets literally orgasmic over it . Will give the remainer Tories a very big stick with which to beat BoJo .

“Tories the wilderness years”

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby aggi » Wed May 29, 2019 5:51 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:You have misread the article- it is a fact that we send £350m a week, that is the gross figure, the amount we are obliged to send. We then get a rebate and get money back.

When you are asked how much you earn do you use the gross or net figure?


I also said that the article didn't disprove it and was pretty shonky.

It is a fact that we don't send £350m a week, it isn't the amount that we are obliged to send, the rebate comes out at source before we send the money.

See, that's the trouble when politicians lie, people believe them.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby aggi » Wed May 29, 2019 5:54 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Have any of you checked when this bloke started this private prosecution?

You might want to try it!


It was pretty obvious in June 2016 that there would be a leadership contest starting in May 2019.

The same bloke is also doing really well at the lottery.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby beddie » Wed May 29, 2019 6:05 pm

No wonder this country's going down the pan. Have we applied then to get Nick Clegg extradited?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Murger » Wed May 29, 2019 6:08 pm

aggi wrote:It was pretty obvious in June 2016 that there would be a leadership contest starting in May 2019.

The same bloke is also doing really well at the lottery.


And it just so happens the court case is happening now. Not when it was filed, not in the following 3 years, but now. Stinks.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 6:12 pm

JFW

You couldn't make this **** up. You really couldn't.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby northeastclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 6:17 pm

Theresa May due to appear in the same court the following week for lying 108 times in Parliament that we would be leaving the EU on the 31 March 2019.

That must qualify for a chopper on the neck at the Tower of London, surely?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby aggi » Wed May 29, 2019 6:17 pm

He has a point. It's a huge surprise that a landmark private prosecution wasn't paid for and tried within a day, our courts are normally so swift. It's not as if this story has been in and out of the news for the past couple of years.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby nil_desperandum » Wed May 29, 2019 6:20 pm

Murger wrote:And it just so happens the court case is happening now. Not when it was filed, not in the following 3 years, but now. Stinks.

That would only be a plausible argument if it weren't for the fact that this case has been flagged up for months and the dates for hearings etc. have been in the public domain for some time.
Are you suggesting that those who brought the case and those dealing with it managed to persuade May to resign last week just in rder that Johnson's case would coincide with his leadership bid?
It's may be a bit hard to believe but the timing is actually genuinely coincidental. Theresa May could have resigned back in March or hung on till October, but just happens to have gone at the time that this case was due to be heard. (What I've just posed can be verified if you look back over the past few months history of this crowdfunded legal challenge)
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 6:23 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That would only be a plausible argument if it weren't for the fact that this case has been flagged up for months and the dates for hearings etc. have been in the public domain for some time.
Are you suggesting that those who brought the case and those dealing with it managed to persuade May to resign last week just in rder that Johnson's case would coincide with his leadership bid?
It's may be a bit hard to believe but the timing is actually genuinely coincidental. Theresa May could have resigned back in March or hung on till October, but just happens to have gone at the time that this case was due to be heard. (What I've just posed can be verified if you look back over the past few months history of this crowdfunded legal challenge)


Why are even bothering to try to explain it to him

He's doesn't care that he's wrong, he doesn't care that its really obvious he's not got a scooby. He's only the sixth or seventh person on this thread to show that all they know about is what the sort of people who want Boris Johnson in charge want them to know about it.

That would bother anyone, but you know, Brexit
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby nil_desperandum » Wed May 29, 2019 6:23 pm

northeastclaret wrote:Theresa May due to appear in the same court the following week for lying 108 times in Parliament that we would be leaving the EU on the 31 March 2019.

That must qualify for a chopper on the neck at the Tower of London, surely?

No fan of May, but had it been up to May then we would indeed have left on that date. It's chiefly the ERG that prevented it.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Woodleyclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 6:24 pm

I thought lying was as essential skill needed to be an mp

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Bfcboyo » Wed May 29, 2019 6:25 pm

Ridiculous waste of money on a none starter case. Will be over quicker than the labour vote count at the next election.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Murger » Wed May 29, 2019 7:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Why are even bothering to try to explain it to him

He's doesn't care that he's wrong, he doesn't care that its really obvious he's not got a scooby. He's only the sixth or seventh person on this thread to show that all they know about is what the sort of people who want Boris Johnson in charge want them to know about it.

That would bother anyone, but you know, Brexit


Hahahaha. So because I think this Court case is a load of ********, I'm a Boris supporter?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 7:03 pm

Murger wrote:Hahahaha. So because I think this Court case is a load of ********, I'm a Boris supporter?


I don't think anything at all about it to be honest. I'm guessing you are not a Conservative member so it doesn't matter.

But you've come on here (and you are not the only one) with either zero knowledge about it or stuff you got off the internet that Boris mates are frantically putting out to make this look like a remain stitch up to stop him being leader.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 7:09 pm

And whatever our feelings on this particular case, the idea of getting politicians to tell the truth is actually a pretty good one.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Lancasterclaret » Wed May 29, 2019 7:18 pm

Guido Fawkes backs Boris Johnson and a "No Deal" Brexit and everything, and I mean, everything is a "remainer plot"

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby IanMcL » Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm

Stayingup wrote:The establishment makes fools of themselves again and Boris gains more votes and so does leave. They are really bitter these metropolitan 'Cirizens of the world' and citizens of nowhere'.

No wonder so many voted for Brexit after years of having their communities radically changed without consultation, by ignorant self centered politicians they had their chance to make a protest and they did. And still the establishment is not listening and doesn't care.

So instead of having the European filter, which 28 countries have to agree, you prefer to set these same imbeciles free to do as they wish with you?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby martin_p » Wed May 29, 2019 7:58 pm

Why don’t people get that you can’t lie about the future unless it’s 100% within your control. This case is about Johnson lying about a verifiable fact.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed May 29, 2019 8:05 pm

I actually think the timing is very unfortunate, I'd prefer him to go to prison as Prime Minister, now that would be funny.

Also, for all the idiots who think this case is happening now to derail poor Boris' shot at the big job...

"Marcus J Ball 23rd February 2019

Brexit Justice: We did it! We finally went to court!

Dearest Brexit Justice backers!

We did it! We finally went to court!

Today(|Friday 23rd Feb 2019), at 1:45pm, we laid the information for our case at Westminster Magistrates' Court! After two and a half years + of work!"

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Burnley Ace » Wed May 29, 2019 9:13 pm

aggi wrote:I also said that the article didn't disprove it and was pretty shonky.

It is a fact that we don't send £350m a week, it isn't the amount that we are obliged to send, the rebate comes out at source before we send the money.

See, that's the trouble when politicians lie, people believe them.

Is it the word “send” that has perhaps caused the confusion? Our obligation, our contribution to the EU budget is £367m per week. Now it’s quite obvious that we don’t send a van with the cash in bags, nor do we use PayPal.

The figure is cotrect as is the counter argument that we get some of it back. It’s an accounting exercise.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby thatdberight » Wed May 29, 2019 10:04 pm

FFS "Implying" not "Inferring"...

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Bin Ont Turf » Wed May 29, 2019 10:07 pm

I'd jail him just for being Boris Johnson.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby dsr » Wed May 29, 2019 10:10 pm

The case is a waste of time because it clearly is not a straightforward lie. It is a dubious interpretation of a fact which could be argued either that it is not wholly untrue, or that it is a misinterpretation.

Here's a question. How many Labour politicians have been prosecuted for any comments made about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? If none, why not? Is it because the war in Iraq was a more trivial issue than the wording on a bus, or is it because this prosecution is a fatuous waste of everybody's time?

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed May 29, 2019 10:31 pm

Boris just needs to say some long funny made up words to get off in court then he can get on with making us great again.
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby AlargeClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 10:35 pm

Publicity seeking foaming (still) left leaning luvvies that simply can’t bear to see democracy in practice when its “ not their type of democracy “I notice the odious Gina Miller is getting her oar in along with the sweaty w@nk fest that’s overcoming the left now they know ( somewhat fortuitously ) they may very well have scuppered BoJo’s bid once and for all . I’d expect this to grow and grow regardless of the utter nonsensical nature of the case .
Expect funds to flow .
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed May 29, 2019 10:42 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Publicity seeking foaming (still) left leaning luvvies that simply can’t bear to see democracy in practice when its “ not their type of democracy “I notice the odious Gina Miller is getting her oar in along with the sweaty w@nk fest that’s overcoming the left now they know ( somewhat fortuitously ) they may very well have scuppered BoJo’s bid once and for all . I’d expect this to grow and grow regardless of the utter nonsensical nature of the case .
Expect funds to flow .


God I hope they haven’t scuppered our final hope Bojo.

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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby CombatClaret » Wed May 29, 2019 10:45 pm

dsr wrote:Here's a question. How many Labour politicians have been prosecuted for any comments made about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?


None, because politicians acted on poor Intel provided and sourced by intelligence agencies from the UK, US & others.

The politicians in question have several layers of revomal from any straight up fabrications.

I expect Boris has full access to the numbers he peddled, he even went back on the claim after it helped win him the vote.

https://fullfact.org/europe/foreign-sec ... ed_content
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Re: Boris Johnson to appear in Crown Court for lying

Postby Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed May 29, 2019 10:46 pm

dsr wrote:The case is a waste of time because it clearly is not a straightforward lie. It is a dubious interpretation of a fact which could be argued either that it is not wholly untrue, or that it is a misinterpretation.

Here's a question. How many Labour politicians have been prosecuted for any comments made about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? If none, why not? Is it because the war in Iraq was a more trivial issue than the wording on a bus, or is it because this prosecution is a fatuous waste of everybody's time?


It's because you haven't started a crowdfunder to research then prosecute them.
If you feel so strongly that Boris is innocent or that other politicians are just as bad then why not do something about it like Marcus Ball has.
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