Signing players past their best

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Signing players past their best

Post by Inchy » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:16 pm

IMO we started a worrying trend last season. Signing players well past their best. Lennon, Hart, and Crouch.
Those signings remind me of Sunderland’s transfers. Signing players like Rodwell, Richardson etc. Players well past their best.

I’d much rather we sign proven championship players like Wood or Taylor, or young hungry players. Or even a foreigner here and there.

Players like crouch earn big money and provide little.

It can work to a degree if they still have something to offer. Bardsley is a fine example of that. But I hope we move away from those types of players because I think it just leads to relegation

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:22 pm

Not sure Hart is past his best, was arguably one of our better players, which I'm sure the ratings confirm.

Crouch I agree with, Lennon was exciting for me but hasn't made any real impact.

We should always be aiming to take the top end EFL players and mould them into our style.

Older heads do matter though and I fully support a "dressing room" type transfer but the Crouch one for me stinks of Dyche doing his mate a favour.

Time will tell.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Inchy » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:25 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Not sure Hart is past his best, was arguably one of our better players, which I'm sure the ratings confirm.

Crouch I agree with, Lennon was exciting for me but hasn't made any real impact.

We should always be aiming to take the top end EFL players and mould them into our style.

Older heads do matter though and I fully support a "dressing room" type transfer but the Crouch one for me stinks of Dyche doing his mate a favour.

Time will tell.


Hart has won the premier league. He now the 3rd best keeper at Burnley. I think he’s past his best

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:32 pm

We sign players past their best because we are Burnley FC. If we signed players at their best, we'll be Manchester City.
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by bfcjg » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:37 pm

"Not sure Hart is past his best, was arguably one of our better players, which I'm sure the ratings confirm."
If he wasnt do you think he would have signed for us ?

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by theroyaldyche » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:41 pm

Hart could play for any of the bottom 14 in the prem as 1st choice

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by South West Claret. » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:12 pm

When ever this subject comes up am I the only person who immediately thinks of Nick Pickering? :D

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by ZizkovClaret » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:31 pm

Tell you what, i'd take Milner
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Blackrod » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:59 pm

Inchy wrote:IMO we started a worrying trend last season. Signing players well past their best. Lennon, Hart, and Crouch.
Those signings remind me of Sunderland’s transfers. Signing players like Rodwell, Richardson etc. Players well past their best.

I’d much rather we sign proven championship players like Wood or Taylor, or young hungry players. Or even a foreigner here and there.

Players like crouch earn big money and provide little.

It can work to a degree if they still have something to offer. Bardsley is a fine example of that. But I hope we move away from those types of players because I think it just leads to relegation


We did sign them. We didn’t get relegated.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Inchy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:23 am

Blackrod wrote:We did sign them. We didn’t get relegated.



Because we didn’t play them. It’s a trend I’d like to see us move away from

Hart wouldn’t get in any bottom 14 club, he can’t get in at Burnley.

We are not Man City but we can buy championship players not past their best like wood and Taylor

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by NottsClaret » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:53 am

I see Bardsley wasn’t on the original list. Could well have gone down without him.
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:05 am

theroyaldyche wrote:Hart could play for any of the bottom 14 in the prem as 1st choice


.....and soon have them in the bottom 3.
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by dermotdermot » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:49 am

Mike Summerbee was just about worth a punt. Still didn’t score a goal’ though, in over fifty appearances.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:10 am

Ref Sunderland, Rodwell wasn't definitely past his best and it would appear there was some sort of conflict between him and the manager.
His ridiculous wage bill probably didn't help either.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by NL Claret » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:45 am

Gerry Gow, Steve Daley, Steve Taylor (2nd spell), Peter Daniel, Steve Thompson, Gazza to name but a few.

Joe Hart :roll: certainly didn't come into my mind.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Socrates » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:48 am

theroyaldyche wrote:Hart could play for any of the bottom 14 in the prem as 1st choice


Not us.

He tried. Didn’t go very well.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Sproggy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:04 am

South West Claret. wrote:When ever this subject comes up am I the only person who immediately thinks of Nick Pickering? :D


We still haven't seen the best of Nick Pickering.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Quicknick » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:08 am

dermotdermot wrote:Mike Summerbee was just about worth a punt. Still didn’t score a goal’ though, in over fifty appearances.


I saw just about every home match and quite a few away games in the relegation season of 1975-76. Mike Summerbee was about the best player.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:17 am

Two of our best ever signings Peter Noble and Graham Alexander were deemed to be past there best but what great servants they turned out to be.
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by theroyaldyche » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:15 pm

Socrates wrote:Not us.

He tried. Didn’t go very well.


He was out best player for half them games. We cudda gone down had he not played

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by DCWat » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:33 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Tell you what, i'd take Milner


He’d be a perfect ‘Dyche’ player.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Rowls » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:39 pm

Inchy wrote:I’d much rather we sign proven championship players like Wood or Taylor, or young hungry players. Or even a foreigner here and there.


Players like Wood, Taylor and Defour? ;)

I think Sean and his staff are on record talking about having a mix of youth and experience (although I don't think they use those terms) and I think we strike the balance fairly well.

As has been stated, we buy players who are past their best because we're Burnley FC.

TBH I don't see any "trend" - I only see us buying what is required and keeping a mixture that depends to a certain extent on our budget and pulling power.
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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:43 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:He was out best player for half them games. We cudda gone down had he not played


We wudda gone down if he’d remained in the team.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by dougcollins » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:49 pm

Wudda, cudda, shudda.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Damo » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:46 pm

I dont think Lennon has been a bad signing at all.
Certainly not a star performer but he has filled in where we were desperately short. He wont have cost us an arm and a leg like the Jermain Defoes of this world either

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:10 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Not sure Hart is past his best, was arguably one of our better players, which I'm sure the ratings confirm.

Crouch I agree with, Lennon was exciting for me but hasn't made any real impact.

We should always be aiming to take the top end EFL players and mould them into our style.

Older heads do matter though and I fully support a "dressing room" type transfer but the Crouch one for me stinks of Dyche doing his mate a favour.

Time will tell.

Hart is pure Dross.........everything goes in, from everywhere!....Awful goalkeeper.

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Spike » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:10 pm

Hart served a purpose.

Crouch is good at blogging

Lennon was a good gamble but if he wants to move on then so be it

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Re: Signing players past their best

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:46 pm

Inchy wrote:IMO we started a worrying trend last season. Signing players well past their best. Lennon, Hart, and Crouch.


Hi Inchy, I think the simple response is we signed these players with many international caps and team trophies between them because that's where we are budget wise. Yes, of course, they are towards the end of their careers - we could say, heading down the slope on the other side of the peak, maybe even in rapid decline.

Burnley are doing fantastically well the past few seasons developing players who can win international caps. Of course, when we do this, their next career move is, almost inevitably, to a bigger club. To maintain a successful team we also need some experienced professionals, amongst other things it can help the younger players develop. Now we are in the Premier League the experienced pros will often be the guys whose international careers are at an end - Joe Hart, I believe, retains the ambition to get back into the international squad (I wish him well).

So long as we aren't paying out "current international" wages - which, of course, we aren't - there can still be 1 or 2 good seasons from these older guys (though, I don't expect Peter Crouch to be around next season, unless it's on a very favourable/budget conscious pay if you play basis).

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