New Shirt Sponsor

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:03 pm

Grumps wrote:Doesn't mean you have to do it, had you quoted the whole of my post you'd see many things that have been on the front of our shirts that people haven't suddenly gone and bought just because 11 men run round with a shirt advertising something. I guess obesity kills more people in East Lancashire than betting does, yet nobody had a problem with pies on the front of the shirt, or being able to order one for half time from your phone.

Of course not everyone buys pies or furniture or gambles just because a company's name is on our shirts but presumably enough people do so to make the outlay for the sponsors worthwhile.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:44 pm

I'll be looking at the Goalden Gamble sellers , Rocky et al, in a different light now, given the anti gambling fervour on here.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:55 pm

Grumps wrote:Doesn't mean you have to do it, had you quoted the whole of my post you'd see many things that have been on the front of our shirts that people haven't suddenly gone and bought just because 11 men run round with a shirt advertising something. I guess obesity kills more people in East Lancashire than betting does, yet nobody had a problem with pies on the front of the shirt, or being able to order one for half time from your phone.

If someone developed a pie addiction, how long would it take for them to lose their life savings, their house, their job and their family?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:09 pm

I was hoping for FUN66, as that's what I will be next season.

I have not got a a lady friend called Bet. The only Bet I have come across is Bet Lynch and she was not my type!

I am not sure they expect UK customers anyway. More for their home market.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:14 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:There will be some who won't wear the shirt due to being sponsored by a betting firm but will go in the ladbrokes cricket field stand

How is that comparable. I'm not walking around as an advertisement to gamble by going in the CFS. Complete straw man argument

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:33 pm

Leisure wrote:Of course not everyone buys pies or furniture or gambles just because a company's name is on our shirts but presumably enough people do so to make the outlay for the sponsors worthwhile.

In Asia, where its aimed

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:33 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:If someone developed a pie addiction, how long would it take for them to lose their life savings, their house, their job and their family?

Depends how weak they are

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I read somewhere that West Ham had decided this year to sell them with our without sponsor

They offered them without last season too.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:03 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I couldn't care less who sponsors our shirts, as long as they pay plenty of dosh. The more money in our till, the better.

More money simply filters down to ever increasing wages for players.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:11 pm

Please Eat Pies Responsibly

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:13 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Please Eat Pies Responsibly

Pie Aware!

When the pie ceases to be fun...stop eating.

JimMcDonald · Post by **JimMcDonald** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:20 pm

Who actually cases ? We have some sad SAD fans.

It doesn't make any difference whatsoever to anybody what our shirt sponsor is.

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:20 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:Who actually cases ? We have some sad SAD fans.

It doesn't make any difference whatsoever to anybody what our shirt sponsor is.

How can you say that when so many of us have said it does make a difference?
Some of us think that betting websites are a bit tragic and in the long term will have a detrimental effect on society, and we certainly don't want to be walking around with "Love Bet" emblazoned across our clothes. So, to some, it clearly does make a difference. You might not have much moral fibre and self esteem, but some of us do.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:49 pm

bfcwest wrote:How can you say that when so many of us have said it does make a difference?
Some of us think that betting websites are a bit tragic and in the long term will have a detrimental effect on society, and we certainly don't want to be walking around with "Love Bet" emblazoned across our clothes. So, to some, it clearly does make a difference. You might not have much moral fibre and self esteem, but some of us do.

If a shirt advert makes you bet, it says more about you, than it does the club, trying to make as much money as possible to keep us where we are, harsh truths, but nobody has to bet, but if a football shirt makes you do it, you're beyond help

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:03 pm

https://www.officialwesthamstore.com/ki ... shirt.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That looks absolutely class with no sponsor on the front. I'd buy it immediately. However, £55 for any shirt, and one targeted at kids for that matter is bloody outrageous. I sincerely hope that isn't the standard Umbro price point...

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:03 pm

Grumps wrote:If a shirt advert makes you bet, it says more about you, than it does the club, trying to make as much money as possible to keep us where we are, harsh truths, but nobody has to bet, but if a football shirt makes you do it, you're beyond help

You are just missing the point.
I have higher expectations for Burnley FC and it's sad to see the club I love now associated with such scabby, low end stuff. I appreciate it brings in the most money, but I'd have hoped we would be trying to build our reputation and show a bit of class when we have so much other money coming in and are on such a massive global stage. How low would you go? "Love Porn"?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:31 pm

I’ve said my peace on this over and over again. The club lack morals on this. They need to engage with the fans, but quite frankly, they’re choosing to ignore people who challenge them.... brilliant that the supporters clubs are getting involved with making some noise on this.

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Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:18 am

what grubby bastards we have become, a great game being dictated to by filthy betting companies. approximately 500,000 people with serious gambling problems in the UK, and somehow it fine as long as the cash is available from sponsors.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:02 am

Unless there is a complete ban on gambling advertising, we would be handicapping ourselves by refusing it. The PL needs to impose a rule, however until it does we would be naive to turn down circa 5m a year

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:25 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:If someone developed a pie addiction, how long would it take for them to lose their life savings, their house, their job and their family?

During the toughest times of my pie addiction, I was well into double figures a week, wasn't good at all.

I'd happily have 4 at the club on a night out, couldn't walk past Edwards Butcher's without getting a couple, even if it was post hair cut/dentist.

It had even got to the stage I was denying how many I had been consuming to the wife, and asking my mate to pick me a couple up if he was nipping up there.

Now you might think this is a p1ss take, I can assure you it isn't.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:28 am

I’ve not bought a shirt since the club decided to promote gambling. I dont care how much the club has benefitted from Fun88, Laba and now this never heard of firm.
An established Premier League club should be able to choose a more responsible sponsor than a gambling firm.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:42 am

MACCA wrote:During the toughest times of my pie addiction, I was well into double figures a week, wasn't good at all.

I'd happily have 4 at the club on a night out, couldn't walk past Edwards Butcher's without getting a couple, even if it was post hair cut/dentist.

It had even got to the stage I was denying how many I had been consuming to the wife, and asking my mate to pick me a couple up if he was nipping up there.

Now you might think this is a p1ss take, I can assure you it isn't.

That's kind of my point. If you're addicted to something like that, it would take you an awfully long time to 'lose the farm' wouldn't it? Even in a severe case you might be spending £30 or £40 a week on feeding your addiction.

With online gambling you can easily spend everything you've got in an instant. You can take out large loans and blow that immediately too. You can lose everything very quickly. Online gambling companies destroy lives, and they don't care.

I'm not angry at our club or anyone elses for taking that money, just sad that it's come to this. The grim reality of modern football.

The league ought to ban any advertising of gambling companies on shirts and in grounds, along with the constant and aggressive advertising on TV before and during matches.

If people want a bet, they know where to go. All they're trying to do is condition people to associate watching football with gambling money.

I hope you've managed to deal with your problems BTW. I'm not trying to downplay anyone's personal battles in any way, I'm just highlighting how online gambling is pretty unique in terms of how quickly it can destroy someone's life.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:How is that comparable. I'm not walking around as an advertisement to gamble by going in the CFS. Complete straw man argument

True, and if you are not playing football you don't need to wear a football shirt.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:02 am

Men over 30 and who weigh more than 14 stone shouldn't be wearing replica shirts.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:04 am

If their main market is asia would the company really be that bothered if a few fat northern lads were walking round in an unsponsored shirt?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:12 am

Grumps wrote:If a shirt advert makes you bet, it says more about you, than it does the club, trying to make as much money as possible to keep us where we are, harsh truths, but nobody has to bet, but if a football shirt makes you do it, you're beyond help

You very clearly have a complete lack of understanding (and empathy) about addiction.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:17 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:That's kind of my point. If you're addicted to something like that, it would take you an awfully long time to 'lose the farm' wouldn't it? Even in a severe case you might be spending £30 or £40 a week on feeding your addiction.

With online gambling you can easily spend everything you've got in an instant. You can take out large loans and blow that immediately too. You can lose everything very quickly. Online gambling companies destroy lives, and they don't care.

I'm not angry at our club or anyone elses for taking that money, just sad that it's come to this. The grim reality of modern football.

The league ought to ban any advertising of gambling companies on shirts and in grounds, along with the constant and aggressive advertising on TV before and during matches.

If people want a bet, they know where to go. All they're trying to do is condition people to associate watching football with gambling money.

I hope you've managed to deal with your problems BTW. I'm not trying to downplay anyone's personal battles in any way, I'm just highlighting how online gambling is pretty unique in terms of how quickly it can destroy someone's life.

I fully agree with you.

Online gambling on slots, roulette etc are the crack cocaine/heroin of the gambling world, and that's who these companies target. Offering free spins, free starting cash, where you'll see how easy it is to win, ( and even then they dont pay you out without ridiculous wage requirements etc ) before they strip you of as much as they can.
It's like a drug dealer offering free samples until you're hooked.

Many people play the lotto, buy the odd scratchcard, put on a football coupon etc for fun and stay in control. These companies that describe themselves as "online casinos" are the worst of the worst.

I hope like the bookies have been forced too, they also get a stake cap, where you cant lose £1,000's in seconds over and over again.

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:39 am

LOVEBET, the official shirt sponsor 2016 Burnley....

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:43 am

I’ve got quite a few mates and family members who like to gamble, to varying degrees, and I have no doubt a few them have a serious problem with it.

I’ve seen two good friends plow thousands into machines on a night out, and when I’ve tried to pull them away and tell them to leave it, they’ve almost turned on me.

I’m not happy about us having such a sponsor, but it is what it is. I accept the club want to make as much money as possible from sponsorship.

I won’t buy a shirt with ‘Love Bet’ emblazoned across the front, and I know the club don’t really give a cr@p, but in my mind, it’s two fingers up at an industry that destroys lives.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:14 am

Betting companies are no worse than media apps. Facebook, Instagram and Twitter do just as much damage as online betting sites. People need to take responsibility for their own actions otherwise we might as well ban everything that's addictive.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:31 pm

TVC15 wrote:You very clearly have a complete lack of understanding (and empathy) about addiction.

I fully understand it, thankyou
I take it all those getting on their high horse about the club advertising betting never watch ITV, or sky sports, both of which carry many betting adverts aimed at football fans.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:47 pm

Grumps wrote:I fully understand it, thankyou
I take it all those getting on their high horse about the club advertising betting never watch ITV, or sky sports, both of which carry many betting adverts aimed at football fans.

So you are saying that if you disagree with something that you can’t watch sky sports, ITV or your football team ?

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:13 pm

TVC15 wrote:So you are saying that if you disagree with something that you can’t watch sky sports, ITV or your football team ?

There are people on here saying they wont go and watch burnley whilst they have a betting company on their shirts
Do these people subscribe to sky? Who run betting adverts every five mins with offers of free bets etc, far more likely to entice someone to bet than a football shirt. They probably put more money in skys coffers than if they bought a season ticket at turf moor, and wouldnt be tempted by the free bets

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 pm

Grumps wrote:There are people on here saying they wont go and watch burnley whilst they have a betting company on their shirts
Do these people subscribe to sky? Who run betting adverts every five mins with offers of free bets etc, far more likely to entice someone to bet than a football shirt. They probably put more money in skys coffers than if they bought a season ticket at turf moor, and wouldnt be tempted by the free bets

So what is wrong with them taking this stance ? It’s their prerogative.
Burnley does not have to conduct itself in the same way as Sky or ITV. It’s much easier for the club to look for an alternative sponsor as even if we ended up with a few hundred grand a year less it’s still a fraction of our overall income - if Luton can afford to do it i’m sure we can.

Yes the likes of Sky and ITV push it down our throat a lot more than Burnley but that does not mean as a club we should not take a stance - if more clubs started to do this then eventually the regulator and advertising standards might sit up and do more to restrict the way these companies advertise and just like tobacco advertising eventually it might stop all together.

Just because there are worse offenders than us does not make it right for us to take commercial advantage of this - when there is proven evidence of the damage advertising does to increasing gambling addiction. It ruins a hell of a lot of lives and as a club we do not need that money.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:So what is wrong with them taking this stance ? It’s their prerogative.
Burnley does not have to conduct itself in the same way as Sky or ITV. It’s much easier for the club to look for an alternative sponsor as even if we ended up with a few hundred grand a year less it’s still a fraction of our overall income - if Luton can afford to do it i’m sure we can.

Yes the likes of Sky and ITV push it down our throat a lot more than Burnley but that does not mean as a club we should not take a stance - if more clubs started to do this then eventually the regulator and advertising standards might sit up and do more to restrict the way these companies advertise and just like tobacco advertising eventually it might stop all together.

Just because there are worse offenders than us does not make it right for us to take commercial advantage of this - when there is proven evidence of the damage advertising does to increasing gambling addiction. It ruins a hell of a lot of lives and as a club we do not need that money.

For a start,yes we do need the money.
Yes its their prerogative,but it weakens their argument when they subscribe to other companies who promote betting. Its like a vegetarian eating meat every now and again,the argument is somewhat diluted.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:46 pm

I think if the club is going to keep banging the drum of "together", and "our town our club", slogans etc then reading the majority of fans reaction and also the fact that the supporters clubs have advised then that fans are against this kind sponsorship, then presumably the slogan needs to be our club available to the highest bidder sod the fans.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:00 pm

Grumps wrote:For a start,yes we do need the money.
Yes its their prerogative,but it weakens their argument when they subscribe to other companies who promote betting. Its like a vegetarian eating meat every now and again,the argument is somewhat diluted.

Why do you think a club making £30m profit a year “need” a few hundred thousand pounds extra in shirt sponsorship revenue ?
Comparing it to a vegetarian does not make sense - it is better to take a stance against something than nothing if that is what you believe in. If you took your analogy further you could say they should not have a TV or license as TV manufacturers are allowing Sky to broadcast on their TVs.
If you decide to stop your sky subscription in protest of advertising gambling - great.
If you decide to stop going on to support your team - great.
If you decide to protest in any other way - still great

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:38 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:True, and if you are not playing football you don't need to wear a football shirt.

What if I am playing football? Am I allowed to then?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:53 pm

I am not arsed about having a betting site on the shirt.

I just want the logo to look good on the shirt. Large Chinese writing looks crap

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:59 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:What if I am playing football? Am I allowed to then?

Of course you are, but as you aren't playing for Burnley you don't have to wear their shirt. There are far sexier sponsors out there you will look better in or you could wear the kit of the team you play for who more than likely won't have a sponsor.